Any Chance of a Placeshifting with WinCE/PocketPC/SmartPhone [Archive]

dranockcir

03-16-2006, 06:08 AM

Wouldn't it be sweet to see the SageTV UI on your PDA or Smartphone? And of course not just see it but have it work. :) Check out this link http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6034 Nero is making a Media Center for phones and PDAs. I guess there is only 4 of us that want a SageTV client for our mobile devices. I'd buy another license to have it! :thumb:

Enormous

03-16-2006, 10:19 AM

I'd love to have it on my Treo 650 as well!

spike5884

03-16-2006, 07:58 PM

mikejaner

03-16-2006, 09:07 PM

I have a Treo 700w and would love to see this!!!!

nick_l

03-17-2006, 09:57 AM

I'll throw in another enthusiastic vote for it. :clap: I have the Cingular 8125 on windows mobile 2005 and the Treo 650 running palm OS and would love to be able to use it on either.

Nick

EDIT for spelling.

Enormous

03-17-2006, 02:16 PM

Have you tried the MiniClient (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=142888&postcount=21)???

May not be exactly what you are asking for, but it maybe REAL close.

I would be real intertested in learning if anybody does get this to run on Mini-hardware.

Tried it on my Treo 650... Get the following error:

The application descriptor was missing the required MIDlet-Name field.

I wonder what it would take to make it compliant with the version of Java on the Treo...

Homebuilder

03-17-2006, 10:43 PM

The treo 700 with verizon runs windows Ce... will sage client 4.10 /place shifter run on CE? Anyone? anyone?

I am planning on buying this phone if it does work!

steingra

03-18-2006, 01:15 PM

I would like to have it also for my Dell Axim X50v :)

FZ1

03-18-2006, 06:42 PM

I currently use Orb.com to stream Sage files to my Audiovox XV6600 with Windows Mobile 2003, but its far less than reliable. I'd love to get rid of orb and use a Sage client instead! :clap: Is this even on the radar Narflex? Opus?

Narflex

03-18-2006, 06:45 PM

If there's anybody seriously interested in writing a port, send me a PM. :)

Morgan111

03-18-2006, 07:35 PM

I'd love to have it on my Treo 650 as well!
My feelings exactly...

spike5884

03-19-2006, 05:08 PM

If there's anybody seriously interested in writing a port, send me a PM. :)

:confused: Granted if the version/flavor of JVM on these portable devices match what is provided on a full blown PC. If it is pure Java, what is there to port?

Narflex

03-21-2006, 10:27 AM

Any of you that have Java-enabled phones/PDAs, what version of Java do you have on your phone/PDA?

dranockcir

03-21-2006, 11:56 AM

Any of you that have Java-enabled phones/PDAs, what version of Java do you have on your phone/PDA?

Hi Narflex,

Thanks for showing interest in this! I went to this site http://www.vikdavid.com/mobile/ looking for Java for my Dell Axim x50v and downloaded this free version of Java http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~dat/java/project/jvm/index_en.html and installed it. When I run the MiniClient.jar file I get this:

java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: \MiniClient.jar not found in java.lang.ClassLoader$1{urls=[file:////,file:/My Documents/], parent=null}
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass (URLClassLoader.java:902)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:342)
at java.lang.ClassLoader$1.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:1110)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:294)
at java.lang.VMMainThread$1.run (VMMainThread.java)
at java.lang.VMThread.run (VMThread.java:120)
JVM exit.

Of cousrse, not knowing crap about any of this, I'm hoping you know what it means. :D

I have also downloaded IBM's Java for Mobiile Devices but haven't tried it yet.

Again, thanks for showing an interest. It would be SO COOL to have a Placeshifter client running on my PDA. :jump:

Endymion

03-21-2006, 08:31 PM

Any of you that have Java-enabled phones/PDAs, what version of Java do you have on your phone/PDA?

Ummm... Well, my T-mo SDA has a Java MIDlet Manager to run Java apps. In there, it shows "Runtime MIDP 2.0 v10.1.7.542" if that helps.

I actually have tried to run the miniclient on the SDA. I found a program that says it can create a jad file from a jar so that it can be installed with MIDP. It didn't work obviously.

Coul you give us some more idea on what it would take to port it? Like how much familiarity with java in general and creating midlets in particular? I'm pretty sure most phones use some form of midlet manager.

FZ1

03-21-2006, 11:48 PM

Well, just went from knowing absolutely nothing about Java on a mobile device to knowing a hair more than that. I learned that my Audiovox XV6600 (Verizon Wireless) came with no Java or MIDlet client. Verizon tech support (for whatever that's worth) said that none of their devices come with a Java client, not even the new Windows Mobile 5 ones. After some more research it looks to me like users of devices with windows mobile 2003 have the most success with a java client from IBM. Its the "WebSphere Everyplace Micro Environment 5.7.2 - MIDP 2.0 for Windows Mobile 2003 2nd Edition", "Download for Windows host". It can be found here http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/product.jsp?s=p&id=DVDE-634P22 but the link may require IBM registration. This link http://www6.software.ibm.com/sdfdl/v2/regs2/pervasive/pvc/ww/wsdd-571/lpps/wm2003-arm-midp20/Xa.2/Xb.bYHeVt2amQwVxPgL73fU5A/Xc.wsdd-571/lpps/wm2003-arm-midp20/weme-wm2003-arm-midp20-5.7.2-P-20050304-1743.exe/Xd./Xf.Ltr.a6va/Xg.3279223/Xi.wctme57/XY.regsrvs/XZ.auObQaiV5genCSZxb7mgRypGjfg/weme-wm2003-arm-midp20-5.7.2-P-20050304-1743.exe may work for a direct download, or I can upload it if someone gives me a site.
After installation I'm now able to use "MIDlet HQ" to install/run .jar files, and the games work great. Running the Sage MiniClient gives me the "The application descriptor was missing the required MIDlet-Name field." error.
I'm happy to do any more testing if it would help, but I won't be the one to write any ports.

that_kid

03-23-2006, 11:29 AM

Well I've found that most of the carriers tech support staff are pretty clueless. The HTC jasjar/universal/kjam and a few others windows mobile 5 devices all have java. My sprint and verizon 6600's, 6700 and treo 700 didn't but it can be added. I see that slingbox has released their software for windows mobile devices, I think that sage would be much better at this especially with multiple tuners. I'm available to test if anyone needs me......

FZ1

03-23-2006, 01:01 PM

I see that slingbox has released their software for windows mobile devices, I think that sage would be much better at this especially with multiple tuners.

I just checked it out and it looks like SlingPlayer Mobile runs on Windows Mobile 2003, 2003 Smartphone Edition, or Windows Mobile 5 (instead of java). Looks like with all the flavors of mobile java out there this might be the best solution for windows mobile devices. I fully agree that Sage would do a better job than Slingbox, but its probably a much more complicated port to go from Java to Windows Mobile. Anyone know what it would take?

mikejaner

03-23-2006, 01:54 PM

http://mobilitytoday.com/news/006316/mobilitytoday_video_003

Heres a link to a person demonstrating the Slingbox UI on the Treo 700w with Verizon and a crappy connection at the time. Not bad at all. I am impressed with the quality.

that_kid

03-23-2006, 04:41 PM

I guess if we can get a standard java install that'll work on the various devices that would be a good start. I'm thinking that we can use Tcpmp (http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about) to handle the streams from sage. What's funny is 4 years ago I was doing this with snapstream but I had to use a software card and you didn't have all the features of sage.

FZ1

03-23-2006, 04:52 PM

I'm thinking that we can use Tcpmp (http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about) to handle the streams from sage.

Doesn't the Placeshifting Sage client use its own media player like Sage server does?

nspindel

05-01-2006, 04:57 PM

Yes, I would REALLY like to see this. A friend of mine at work has the Verizon XV6700 pda with unlimited data, and uses Slingbox at home. I was telling him about placeshifting, and he replied "Well can it do this?" He pulled out his pda/phone, clicked the stylus a few times, and up came ESPN from his home cable box. Quality was awesome. It's not a pvr, it's purely a streamer, but it runs perfectly on a cell phone. If Sage could do this, it would be unstoppable. This is must-have functionality in my opinion, because there are competing technologies out there doing this already. Sage MUST do this to remain competitive in this space.....

nick_l

05-02-2006, 10:29 AM

I have a slingbox as a stopgap measure, and its pretty cool but nothing would beat the sage ui directly on my cingular 8125 (htc wizard) windows mobile 2005 device!!

I know that not everyone thinks that this is the best way to spend precious development time, but think of it as advertising. When Slingbox released their winmobile 05 client, I even saw as story on CNN about it. I think that if Sage were the first software pvr/media center/blah blah blah to have a client to work on a mobile phone they could ride that to some free publicity and more paying users. What's good for Sage is good for us!!

Nick

nspindel

05-02-2006, 02:04 PM

cenwesi

05-03-2006, 06:45 AM

Guys, i am sure Sage programmers are working on something and they will NOT reveal this to us. This is a must have especially since they can do client/placeshift. I am sure in about couple months we would have a beta version :)

mkanet

05-03-2006, 11:19 AM

Man, this sure would be nice to have!

dooferlad

05-04-2006, 07:48 AM

May I offer encouragement to anyone thinking about or actually implementing a client. I would love to see it on Java/Symbian based devices so when I get my hands on an Nokia E70 I can have it stream video from the PVR into the kitchen.

rob.sfo

05-04-2006, 05:43 PM

Just chiming in...another Treo 700w user here who would love (a.k.a. pay) to see this!

pez

05-24-2006, 01:04 AM

It can be done. Check out ORB (http://www.orb.com/what_is_orb/orb_video/).

But it if i could get this with a sage i/f that would make it easy. I buy to licenses , one for me and one for my wife. We have PPC-6700, if that matters.
-pez

laurenglenn

05-24-2006, 03:32 PM

Think of it this way - how many people are wasting time doing this on their ipod? Either paying to download shows from iTunes (expensive), or grabbing them with a pvr and converting to ipod format (pain in the neck). If you could just stream Sage over your cell phone, that would absolutely, positively generate sales.
1 ..... (me) :)

With Videora, you can set it to automatically convert all MPG files that Sage creates and convert them to MP4 for the iPod. (I've actually done it). In the morning, just add the MP4 folder to iTunes and it syncs to the iPod Video. No real work required.

The only bad thing is that you can't see it in real-time, of course, which streaming would be nice for. But since I don't have EVDO, I couldn't probably get good use out of the stream anyway.

Lauren

FZ1

05-24-2006, 04:34 PM

It looks like we all agree a mobile placeshifting client would be a big hit.
Narflex has already extended an invite to anyone willing to write a port for mobile devices. Do any of us know anyone that can write programming for mobile devices?

that_kid

05-25-2006, 04:14 PM

I don't code but if someone at Sage needs a device to allow them to port the client over then I have one I can loan for that purpose.

I picked up a slingbox just to try it out, it's nice but no where near as nice as Sage. I'm going to return the slingbox and use that money to buy some placeshifting clients. Hopefiully we can get this mobile version going.

mkanet

05-27-2006, 09:42 AM

Does anybody know if there's ANY solution at all to make this work on ANY mobile device other than WinCR/PocketPC/Smartphone? Such as a PSP? Surely, there's gotta be something. Dragging a laptop around (even a relatively small one) isn't fesible for when I commute.

Maybe there's some kind of emulator/virtual machine I could install to fool the placeshifter client tbat it's running on WinXP or Linux.

kerryp24

05-31-2006, 08:47 AM

SlingBox is in beta as we ponder this.
See...

http://www.smartphonetoday.com/articles/2006/5/2006-5-30-Slings-Media-to.html

If you have a registered SlingBox you can download the beta software for your Windows Mobile phone.

that_kid

05-31-2006, 08:53 AM

The Smartphone client is in beta, the windows mobile version has already been released.

chucklezt

05-31-2006, 11:54 AM

This client is great and works well. Granted you should expect problems over a corprorate VPN or firewall as ports are usually blocked, but on public connections mine works great.. so THANKS! :jump:

For those of you that don't want to pay the massive $30, get over it.. its new software, not the client, so you get what you pay for.

Lastly, I would love to see this on my Treo 650, or my future Windows Mobile device. Can't wait, but Im thirlled that I can pop open a TV when Im on the road - been waiting for this for a while!

cmaffia

05-31-2006, 05:42 PM

Shhh at work I sneak in on either port 443 or 1080 :D

This client is great and works well. Granted you should expect problems over a corprorate VPN or firewall as ports are usually blocked, but on public connections mine works great.. so THANKS! :jump:

For those of you that don't want to pay the massive $30, get over it.. its new software, not the client, so you get what you pay for.

Lastly, I would love to see this on my Treo 650, or my future Windows Mobile device. Can't wait, but Im thirlled that I can pop open a TV when Im on the road - been waiting for this for a while!

grooves12

05-31-2006, 08:21 PM

I would LOVE to see this on my Windows Mobile phone... I think this would be the killer app that would take Sage from great to phenomenal.

mkanet

05-31-2006, 08:26 PM

We should see this feature when the picture-in-picture feature is available.

lotusvball

06-01-2006, 09:11 AM

We should see this feature when the picture-in-picture feature is available.

:rofl:

grooves12

06-03-2006, 03:12 PM

Like has beenmentioned many times in other threads, the developers don't spend much if any time on these boards, so if you want to put in a feature suggestion, email it to them. I did, and if more and more of us do... it might get something started,

pawn

06-03-2006, 04:36 PM

Donny Bahama

06-06-2006, 12:23 PM

If there's anybody seriously interested in writing a port, send me a PM. :)I know someone who knows someone... what can you provide him? (SDK? DDK? Win32 Code?)

If I can get a good price on his time, maybe we could pass the hat and take up a collection? Who's up for chipping in to make this happen?

FZ1

06-06-2006, 04:28 PM

I know someone who knows someone... what can you provide him? (SDK? DDK? Win32 Code?)

Did you PM Narflex?

Lester Jacobs

06-07-2006, 09:01 AM

chrysek

06-09-2006, 09:09 AM

Yeah.

I third it. :D

Since the placeshifting code looks like it uses JAVA...
Couldn't it be modified to work with smartphones (Nokia, Treo 650, ...) also?
I'd be happy to beta any versions (I have one of each :p ).

Kerry

yeah why stop there maybe placeshifter on Sun Solaris box could be also available? I would love that since I have solaris box at work an dnot linux :(

robertmcox

07-22-2006, 09:48 AM

A neat extension of the "Placeshifter on PocketPC" idea would be a Placeshifter To Go implementation as well. I may not always have network connectivity via my PocketPC but it would be nice to indicate a subset of shows/favourites that I would like synched to my device and have Sage automatically transcode those shows as or after they are recorded to a folder somewhere. This folder would then be synched to my PocketPC at regular intervals (or whenever I happen to connect my PocketPC to my Sage Server). Thus, on the road, I could always tote around a subset of my favourites to watch whenever I got the chance using the familiar Sage UI (excepting Live TV capabilities when netwrok connectivity is not available). This way if I am connected I can use Placeshifter as per normal but if I'm not connected (on a plane for instance) I can still watch whatever shows were synched to my device.

Cheers
Lester

If you use the Sage2iPod program (elsewhere on the forums), you can achieve this. I was even able to schedule the transcoding of the Channel 6 news each night and have it copied to my SD card so long as it was in the card reader. It works great on my XV6600 w/ WME2003SP2.

One comment, though -- at least on this device the battery life really sucks! The cell-phone placeshifter would only be usefull if you were at a place where you could plug your phone into a power source. So airplanes are out :-( But for those long car drives across country where I have a cigarette lighter....

xlr8shun

07-23-2006, 09:24 AM

having bought a htc wizard not more than a few months ago and wondering how i ever got by without one before. sagetv on my pda would own. until then i think i'll look into setting up a vpn or something to play around with. i might come up with a workable solution for the short term.

floepie

08-23-2006, 03:07 PM

I'd add my support for this as well. In fact, this is my first first post here, and something that would push me over the edge into purchasing this software package. I haven't even setup a HTPC yet...just gathering up the pertinent info to make those informed decisions.

I vote for a Windows Mobile placeshifting app as well. It would be absolutely fantastic to have such capability esp with unlimited data plans becoming all the rage. It would be like carrying around a little of "home" with you at all times.:cool:

I'm wondering though for you sage users...are any of you using orb to tide you over in the meanwhile? Does orb in any way compete for resources with Sage (i.e. tuner card, etc.)? Someone earlier was knocking Orb for its lack of stability. I've only heard great things about orb so far.

FZ1

08-23-2006, 11:01 PM

are any of you using orb to tide you over in the meanwhile? Does orb in any way compete for resources with Sage (i.e. tuner card, etc.).

I'm using Orb to get by for now, but it has it's limitations. I'm using a Verizon XV6600 in an EVDO area. Orb has been flawless streaming audio and serving jpegs. While its working its great, but I don't think I've ever made it through a full show without Orb causing some kind of media player error.

Orb uses around 60mb of RAM on my system while sitting idle. It probably uses a lot more memory and CPU while compressing/streaming video, but I've never checked.

A Sage client would kill Orb by hopefully providing more stability and the entire Sage UI including stv's (comskip). Being able to view shows the same way Sage organizes them would also be a big plus (grouped by title, watched status, etc.). Orb only offers an alphabetical listing.

Orb is the best I've found for now, but I'd buy a license for a Windows Mobile 2003 Placeshifter in a heartbeat.

Fuzzy

09-17-2006, 11:30 AM

Morgan111

09-17-2006, 11:43 AM

Yep, I would love to see something like this for my Treo when the next release makes it's appearance... :D

http://forums.freytechnologies.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4030&d=1157819255

mkanet

09-17-2006, 12:54 PM

Geez.. this thread is STILL here? LOL! Coincidentally, today my brother just got his slingbox+PocketPC to work.

allen

10-11-2006, 07:53 PM

I have one of those Miami Vice cell phones with the huge brick and external handset that looks like a Ma Bell phone... Having a mobile client for Sage would seriously cause me to rethink purchasing a smart-phone... Although my current cell phone saves me money since I don't have to have a gym membership from carrying it around. Decisions! :)

rickgillyon

10-12-2006, 01:48 AM

Just acquired a XV6700 (Windows Mobile 5 Smartphone) Tried the miniclient with MysaifuJVM, no luck. Really wanting a client, even if it doesn;t have the mediaplayer first, just to get to the sage interface would be awesome. Would let me add programs at the last minute from the road or something.
You can already do that, by running the webserver on your Sage server. I can just connect using IE on my XDA and schedule recordings using the webserver. A bit clunky on the small screens, but setting up recordings is a breeze.

Destro

10-15-2006, 12:34 PM

I'll throw myself into the group knocking Orb for its lack of stability. I tried it until Sling released their PocketPC client. Orb does have some stability problems which are very frustrating. In my experience, it works like it's supposed to 70% of the time...

I'm wondering though for you sage users...are any of you using orb to tide you over in the meanwhile? Does orb in any way compete for resources with Sage (i.e. tuner card, etc.)? Someone earlier was knocking Orb for its lack of stability. I've only heard great things about orb so far.

Destro

10-15-2006, 12:35 PM

I have the Sling PocketPC client also, and it works very well. If Sage was compatible with PocketPC, I would sell my SlingBox and buy the Placeshifter for sure....

Geez.. this thread is STILL here? LOL! Coincidentally, today my brother just got his slingbox+PocketPC to work.

that_kid

10-18-2006, 10:39 AM

I have the Sling PocketPC client also, and it works very well. If Sage was compatible with PocketPC, I would sell my SlingBox and buy the Placeshifter for sure....

That's exactly how i feel, I wouldn't need to keep my slingbox hooked to one o me media centers I would be able to have both in use at the same time and not need an additional box to do it.

silkshadow

10-21-2006, 07:13 AM

Humm, I've been using Orb with my WM device for a while now. I haven't run into any problems as described here. I do have a fairly beefy server that does orb and things like exchange only. I even watch my TV over WCDMA 2100 (aka 3G, I believe) via orb with no issues excet the occational signal drop (my provider's fault not Orb's). If Sage made placeshifter work with WM I'd buy it in a second. Otherwise, I saw no point in placeshifter when things like the music system were so useless. I am happy to see that this thread is 4 pages long. I didn't think WM would even be on Frey's to do list. I actually didn't think WM was doing all that well outside of Asia. I hope everyone here emailed Frey requesting WM support, if so maybe its now on their todo list :).

nspindel

10-21-2006, 09:48 AM

For me, the whole placeshifting concept is interesting, but the only place I'd use it would be at work behind huge firewall/proxy infrastructure, not to mention a lot of desktop spyware that monitors everything you do. Big brother is watching....

That's why I'm so interested in the WM version. Video is completely going the way of small and portable, streaming to your cell phone. Sage needs to do this!

nspindel

10-21-2006, 10:01 AM

I'm actually wondering if there's a way to combine Sage and Slingbox together? Why shouldn't I be able to push the S-Video out of my HTPC into a Slingbox? Shouldn't I be able to teach the Sling software remote codes? In which case, I'd just teach it the StreamZap codes, and then I could control Sage from Slingbox, and stream to my phone. Am I missing something here?

Just seems an expensive way to go, considering Sage could sell a myriad of these WM placeshifter clients for $30 if they'd just write it....

Fuzzy

10-21-2006, 09:19 PM

that_kid

10-22-2006, 10:35 AM

I'm doing this now but why tie up a device for something that can possibly done from Sage TV.

scoful

12-01-2006, 06:13 AM

I know this isn't Placeshifter playback, but I did setup a utility to easily convert files for my 700w. I uploaded it to the "External Plugins and Utilities" area. Just Drag-N-Drop files that you want to output to your SD card. It even supports ComSkip.

Let me know what you think.

FZ1

12-01-2006, 11:42 AM

At least in my application, streaming media and control of Sage are what I'd find useful.

On that note, has anyone noticed the "to do" list for SageTV Webserver 2.9? On the webserver its under the "SageTV" menu, then "about", at the bottom of the page.

Todo list
TODO: CSS refactor (layout/colors)
TODO: popup detailed info pages
TODO: Options page
TODO: Improved authentication (users linked to netgroups)
TODO: video/music/picture library
TODO: fix mouse-over highlight for IE (some people apparantly use it :))
TODO: Comskip marker + comskip trigger support
TODO: Add stream/download links to sage-encoder encoded files in detailed info
:clap: TODO: use mencoder to dynamically generate a low BW stream for HTTP-serving video over the internet! :clap:
TODO: Improve Edit File info screen -- only modify changed fields
TODO: HDTV/First Run recording marker in EPG views

Looks like there's hope!

Fuzzy

12-01-2006, 01:12 PM

I have used my XV-6700 to adjust favorites on sage, via the web server, worked pretty good! Could be formatted better for mobile use though. And of course streaming would be AWESOME!.. hehe

millers_35

12-01-2006, 01:32 PM

Yeah the formatting on my xv6700 is pretty bad using the webserver.

Miller

Fuzzy

12-01-2006, 04:50 PM

I've found PIEPlus (a Pocket IE enhancement program) formats most web pages to be much more readable. Haven't used my Sage Web Server since I've installed it though. Not sure how much it helps it.

jdamore

12-05-2006, 08:59 AM

Fuzzy

12-05-2006, 06:44 PM

I wonder how hard it would be to make a script that would allow use of the free Windows Media Encoder. I believe it has profiles already set up for windows mobile streaming. Maybe something that could be accessed from withing the web server. Maybe I'll poke around the Encoder and see what it can do for batches.

Jason

12-06-2006, 08:10 AM

Hi folks,

This thread had been up for a while now.. any updates as to a implementation of a WM client?

I can adjust recordings and such from my vx-6700 but I'm ready for the live streaming.

Show Me The Streaming!!

If your handy with html/JS, you could try reformatting the pages within the Web User Interface...

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=192096&postcount=1305

The Javascript within the pages is what causes the issues with WM5 phones/clients... WM5 uses Microsoft's version called JScript (nice...huh?) which is not 'quite' the same.

In any case, reformatting the served up pages to exclude the Javascript Browser check and send a windows compaible metafile would 'solve the problem of streaming...

Now including the OTF transcoding via mencoder would be a step further...

Any takers? :-)

-Jason

FZ1

12-06-2006, 09:10 AM

The Javascript within the pages is what causes the issues with WM5 phones/clients... WM5 uses Microsoft's version called JScript (nice...huh?) which is not 'quite' the same.

Do you know if the same is true for WM 2003 on my xv6600?

Jason

12-07-2006, 06:31 AM

Do you know if the same is true for WM 2003 on my xv6600?

While I am not 100% sure, I would assume so... It's one of my frustrations with WM5...

Here are some links for using Java (not quite Javascript...) on PocketPC (WM5 and others...)

http://blog.vikdavid.com/2004/12/java_on_pocketp.html

http://blogs.sun.com/bblog/entry/developing_java_applications_for_pocket

Heck... maybe we can get Frey to release a Placeshifter client before someone releases an update to the Web Server (along with transcoding...)? ;) ;)

-Jason

dblaine2

12-07-2006, 06:26 PM

It seems Opera supports Java script on WM 2003.

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/06/30/

Would this help?

Jason

12-08-2006, 07:29 AM

It seems Opera supports Java script on WM 2003.

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/06/30/

Would this help?

Nope... tried it. The Javascript within the web page speciifically requests certain browsers and all the Pocket version report as 'pocket versions...'

You can try changing the reported browser (registry hack...), but it still does not allow streaming...

If the web server would simply send windows metafiles(.asx/.wmx/.wvx/.wax), then the client would be able to decide what to do with them. As it stands right now, it is set up as server side checking.

It sounds simple enough (I understand WHAT to do...) but I have not dealt much with JavaScript (actually removing the offending script...).

Here is a brief example on the different types of streaming (client/server):

http://www.robertwisbey.com/how_to_web_cam_wme.html

Nielm's server embeds MP/VLC into the page whereas the second version sends an ASX stream...

-Jason

walter scott

12-11-2006, 09:12 AM

I would love to placeshift with my IPAQ or Smartphone.. Both support 320x240 resolution...

Any chance it can be made to work, or a client might be made?

I would gladly pay to have this on my Windows Mobile 5 Ipaq PDA!!!!!

arngur

02-21-2007, 11:25 PM

It has been a while since the last post here.
Can anyone from Sage or the user community update on the status, plans?

I have used Sage some time back and it's an excellent product.

Have not used it recently since I passed to MythTv. Streaming for WM would make me seriously consider going back to Sage. There are plenty of streaming options for Myth, but non is as slick as a full pvr client including livetv. Placeshifter sounds like the product with the best potential in the market to properly implement this and finally complete the placeshift revolution.

Orb works besides some codecs annoyances and lack of PVR level of controls. In fact I have not yet gotten it to play my recordings, but I am sure that is doable by either changing the format of my myth recordings, or by installing the right codecs on the orb machine (windows) to read myth recordings as is.
Specifically encode the recordings to some phone supported format in addition to the original format is described on the web, just that immediate streaming sounds slicker, and will thus likely be the going forward method of choice.

Have not had a chance to try slingbox.

FWIW, I use an EVDO unlimited data plan for $15 with an HTC wizard which is dubbed PPC6700 by Sprint.

motobarsteward

02-22-2007, 05:28 AM

I have exchanged PMs with Narflex about this. I offered to have a look at it before Christmas. I changed jobs and did lots of other stuff so didn't have chance to look at it until a couple of weeks ago. He asked me to set up a build environment and get back to him. I am in the process of doing that (using the IBM MINDIP runtime as that's what comes on our PDAs). In the mean time, assuming that Sage uses mplayer, I went to look for mplayer based apps that run on Pocket PC. What I found was that there was only a small amount of work done on it a couple of years ago. I can't get anything that was developed to run on my PDA. It reports that the exe is not a valid application!
The next problem would be that although Sage uses Mplayer, it uses an old version that has been modified by Sage, so we would have to 'Merge' these into the Pocket PC version.
So, in conclusion, I feel that porting to Pocket PC will be quite a lot of work and will probably be beyond my capabilities and time. I will try and talk with Narflex by phone when I've got the build environment up and running.

Jason

02-25-2007, 08:35 AM

Can anyone from Sage or the user community update on the status, plans?
...
Streaming for WM would make me seriously consider going back to Sage.
...
Orb works besides some codecs annoyances and lack of PVR level of controls.
...
Specifically encode the recordings to some phone supported format in addition to the original format is described on the web, just that immediate streaming sounds slicker, and will thus likely be the going forward method of choice.

How about this...

Use the WebServer to (adaptively...) stream the file via Orb...

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=209661&postcount=1369

This would allow you to control Sage, stream a file, and also give you the file/recording specific information... all via the Web. This would open up Sage (specifically adaptive streaming...) to ANY web enabled device out there!

-Jason

thorinn

06-14-2007, 03:21 PM

I would love to see a Placeshifter client for mobile devices!! Come on Sage!!!! Been a user for about 3 weeks, LOVE IT!! The more I use it the better it gets! Money well spent!!! Thanks Sage!!

akenis

06-14-2007, 04:27 PM

Any one ever heard of this:

http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/enu/Nero_Mobile_Features.html

I wanted to try it back when I was running Palm OS. WM 5.0 now on a treo. Not sure if this thing can stream, or if it's designed to play portable content?

Fuzzy

06-15-2007, 04:32 PM

WM5.0 does support streaming media, the mobile version of media player can open up streaming URL's for most common streaming media types, and there is a version of VLC for windows mobile that works for most other types. The shortage we have here is on the server end. I am hoping for a way to list sceduled recordings on my device, and let me choose what one I want, and have it transcode on the server and stream to my phone. The transcoding and serving should be possible to do with either the windows media encoder (free), or VLC (also free). Just have to add the code to the web server to launch the encoder, and offera quick link on the web page to load up VLC or WMP on the mobile. I hope someday I have enough time to look at doing this, but for now, I'm just too darn busy.

mkanet

06-17-2007, 10:09 AM

Is there a phone out that acts like a real PC and fully support the current placeshifter app?

motobarsteward

06-29-2007, 05:22 AM

:clap: It can be done! :clap:

I have nielm's web server running on my server. The latest version allows transcoded streaming but the only way I could play the treams was by running Orb on the server as well. This had two problems. The first is that Sage locks the live recording files so you can't use Orb to watch something as it records. The second problem is that Orb was causing my server to pause every hour, which was really annoying and occationally causes the clients to lock up.
You should be able to play the transcoded streams on the Pocket PC, but for some reason, the Windows Mobile Media player just gives 'Unspecified Errors' when I tried. I spent ages mucking about with the VLC transcode options to no avail. :bang:

The Solution?

I ditched the Windows media player and installed TCPMP. I then went Options - Settings in TCPMP and selected the 'File Associations' page. I ticked the 'Windows Metafiles ASX, WMX, WVX, WAX' box so now TCPMP application was the default player for Windows Media Streams.

My pocket PC now plays files using the '256kbit deinterlaced third-res' and '480kbit deinterlaced half-res' options towards the bottom of the Streamed Transcode window.
VLC only appears to produce WMV streams at 64Kbit or faster, which means that you are stuck with WiFi only unless you have a 3G or HSDPA mobile (Which I do!).

My phone is an HTC Tytn phone running Windows Mobile 2005. If a couple of you try it on your mobiles as well and let me know how it goes. If it works for everyone, I'll put a section in the wiki.

jdamore

07-05-2007, 12:30 PM

Woo hoo!! :clap: I cant want to try! This is exciting for me because there has been so many times when I would want to stream video (via slingbox) but the wife was already watching something. I'm hoping by using the webserver I can stream in the backround without her even knowing.

Just to add a disclaimer for those streaming over your cell network: Check with your provider to ensure you do not violate your contract. Just because you have the "unlimited data plan", doesn't aways mean streaming audio/video is allowed. You could be charged a LOT of money or even shut off. ...sorry to be a buzz-kill, just looking out for ya's :)

akenis

07-05-2007, 05:26 PM

That's great if it works.

Have you been successful getting the web server page to display in any usable format on the device. I've got a small screen on a Treo, and running PIE plus. I haven't been able to find settings that make the web server pages very functional.

Perhaps there's some talented folks who could add some "mobile" specific pages to the server with formatting for different devices.

cenwesi

07-09-2007, 06:21 AM

Ok i can't wait either... i have the HTC 8525 and running WM6 Black Majik Rom. Please post link on how to set it up.

jdamore

07-09-2007, 08:27 AM

I got it working!

HTC-6700/WM5
sage Ver 6.1

I downloaded and installed the latest of Neilm's web server.

I installed TCPMP v.72 rc1 on my phone(there might be a better version but this is what i had already)

I had the same results as motobarsteward. I was able to stream and play WMV. Streaming at 256kbit produced a stutter free video while 480kbit would stutter every few seconds possibly from a low connection speed. Besides the stutter, 480kbit stream looked fantastic.

FF does not work very well and it will throw off the audio/video synchronization. Thats about my only complaint.

Talk about battery consumption!! I got just over an hour of watch time on a full charge.

I think streaming H.264 and mpeg2/4 would be possible if you had a media player capable of playing these formats on your phone. More info on this needed for me.

I am still hoping Sage with develop this media player for WM.

motobarsteward

07-20-2007, 09:45 AM

FF does not work very well and it will throw off the audio/video synchronization. Thats about my only complaint.

I seem to remember nielm saying that the streamer implementation didn't support fast forward or rewind.

As far as battery consumption is concerned, I guess it's down to the WiFi. I get a couple of hours with HSDPA but I'm not sure how T-Mobile will react when they see me stream multi gigbyte files over their network!:p

Fuzzy

08-06-2007, 09:32 PM

I have been using this method for a couple weeks now, and the streaming seems to work great to my XV-6700. I am using the 1/3rd rez mode, and it seems to playback pretty reliably.

The web interface is really painful to use on windows mobile though, and I am thinking about dusting off visual studio and trying to make a small .net simplified app for this. I'm thinking that I could pull the recorded show info from the webservers XML exports, and make up a streamlined interface optomized for the mobile screens. All it would have to do is parse the XML, create a hiearchial list of programs, and then generate the URL for the webserver's playlist generator code. Then just launch the playlist file, which would bring up the media player.
Have some options to set your default encoding parameters, and it should be pretty straightforward. Still limited about not being able to skip around the show, but it might be a considerable improvement.
Perhaps there could be a method of streaming live as well. i have noticed that I can stream live TV from the webserver if i set it to manual record, but I don't see a way to get the program guide data frmo the web server. There is no XML or RSS export for that data. (Yet).

Fuzzy

m4tth3wv

10-06-2007, 08:29 AM

I second/third/..fourth/etc the idea of a java player thats compatible with Windows/and other pda/smartphones.

I'm interested in reselling Sage to higher-end home entertainment customers but until a slick interface with mobile devices (java preferably) there's not a compelling reason to bump off other competition...

dranockcir

10-06-2007, 09:28 AM

I think being able to run Placeshifter on a mobile device would be awesome for sure. But I think that a set of pages formatted for the small screen served up by neilm's webserver would be easier (not that I could do it or I would!) to implement. I've been using the method described above by motobarsteward with a Motorola Q and a Dell Axim x50v and it works great. Except for the scrolling around and not being able to expand folders (at least I can't anyway). I think a set of pages formatted for the mobile screen would be usable on more devices at once. As long as the device had a web browser and a media player that could play the streams. I don't know much about PalmOS but I'm sure there must be a web browser and media player like with Windows Mobile on the Q and the Axim.

Rick

btrcp2000

10-15-2007, 09:56 PM

TechBill

10-16-2007, 12:04 PM

Placeshifter uses mplayer for playback and I am sure if mplayer was ported to WM then it possible to play it on mobile pda phones.

I will ask on mplayer mailing list to see if anyone could port mplayer over to Windows Mobile devices.

Bill

drnemo

10-16-2007, 12:58 PM

Placeshifter on Ipod touch would be AWESOME!

dranockcir

10-16-2007, 06:25 PM

I keep getting either an unknown file format error in tcpmp, or a message that the player does not support windows media video 8 codec.

exactly which third res choice are you all using? wmv? the video i'm testing with is just an analog recording of a kids' show.

I am running wm6 on a ppc6700

I'm using:

WMV

* 256kbit deinterlaced third-res
o [Play in Web-player]
o Play in External Player: [wvx] [m3u] [pls]

choosing play in external player using wvx

Rick

Brent

02-17-2008, 09:00 PM

Has anyone had luck placeshifting with the webserver work with Samsung Blackjack and WM6?

motobarsteward

02-19-2008, 06:22 AM

I put an update into the WiKi. The version of Windows media player that comes with WM6 does not play the Windows Media 8 streams produced by the VLC server used by the web interface. This was also the case in WM5. I found a work around for WM5 in that you could use TCPMP and set it to play the WMV streams from VLC and it worked well. To play the streams, TCPMP actually uses two dll (the same two) that the windows media player uses.

Anyway, these two dlls are different on WM6 and it does not work anymore.

However, if you copy the WM5 version of these two dlls into your TCPMP directory, you will find it all works again! The down side is that you loose about 800k of storage on the phone (i'm not sure if you install TCPMP to the sd card and I havn't tried). But, hey, if it means that you can do something that an I-Phone can't then it's worth it!

I've zipped the two old version files up and added them here. Unzip them to the same folder that holds your tcpmp.exe and make sure you close down (rather than suspend) TCPMP and re-start it. Every thing should now work.

Brent

02-19-2008, 07:16 AM

Thanks motobarsteward,
So doe this require Opera instead of the standard IE?

motobarsteward

02-21-2008, 05:20 AM

Thanks motobarsteward,
So doe this require Opera instead of the standard IE?

Mmmm. I'm not sure. The reason? I only use Opera on my mobile. I have not tried to access my server with IE on WM6. I do recall others saying that the Java menu bit doesn't work on WM6. This was also the case on WM5 (i have tried this) but the menu used to appear at the bottom of the page and you could select the option.

Unfortunetaly, I can't try it now as my Internet connection at home is down and this has disconnected my server from the web.

FZ1

02-21-2008, 09:32 AM

So doe this require Opera instead of the standard IE?

PIE in WM5 or WM6 works great with the webserver, as long the tips in the webserver wiki (http://tools.assembla.com/sageplugins/wiki/WebserverMobile)are followed (you must directly navigate to menu.html to see most menus).

Motobarsteward's method for streaming video relies on TCPMP (a media player), and works independent of which web browser is used.

rosskis

03-30-2008, 09:46 AM

This would be a great feature. I use similar w/S---gbox's Palm program on my Treo 700p and it works great. Suck up the battery but no other issues. This would be a feature that I would gladly by a "placeshifter for palm" licence. It would allow access to the rest of my media while on the road w/my phone.

chrisc16

05-06-2008, 10:54 AM

However, if you copy the WM5 version of these two dlls into your TCPMP directory, you will find it all works again! The down side is that you loose about 800k of storage on the phone (i'm not sure if you install TCPMP to the sd card and I havn't tried). But, hey, if it means that you can do something that an I-Phone can't then it's worth it!

I've zipped the two old version files up and added them here. Unzip them to the same folder that holds your tcpmp.exe and make sure you close down (rather than suspend) TCPMP and re-start it. Every thing should now work.

motobarsteward,

Thanks to your instructions, I have TCPMP set up on my phone with the correct DLLs. But I can't figure out how to make TCPMP the default video player. When I click on the streaming link in Opera, it always forwards to IE, which opens media player. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Chris

FZ1

05-06-2008, 06:36 PM

chrisc16

05-07-2008, 12:04 PM

You may need to associate TCPMP with the type of stream you're trying to use.

In TCPMP, click options, settings, select page, file associations, then check the necessary box(s). I usually check them all (except picture files) since I prefer TCPMP over wmp for everything.

Thanks for the tip. I just associated all video file types to TCPMP, but IE still opens Windows Media Player.

-Chris

FZ1

05-07-2008, 10:49 PM

I don't use opera personally. Have you tried clicking the link in pie?

chrisc16

05-09-2008, 07:53 AM

I don't use opera personally. Have you tried clicking the link in pie?

Yep, just tried again in IE right now, and it still opens WMP. Very frustrating.

-Chris

Fuzzy

05-09-2008, 08:13 AM

If i remember correctly, I use to have to use the playlist formats. instead of opening a link to the stream in PIE, choose one of the playlist files (i can't remember which i used to use). This will download a file, which will then get opened by whatever program is associated with that file. (may get prompted to overright your previous download each time, so it's an extra click or two.)

chrisc16

05-09-2008, 09:52 AM

Wirenut

05-31-2008, 11:50 PM

I have an Ipaq 5455 running PPC2003 and TCPMP... I can get it to to play the file without transcoding.... but... it' s really bad.... really slow... really choppy.... If I choose a transcoded file... TCPMP gives me a file unknown error. I have VLC 0.8.6f and sage webserver2.0 installed.

My Ipaq can only render the original file streamed. Any of the transcoded streams yield a "File unknown" erro in TCPMP.

What am I doing wrong to get the transcoded files to play?

Thanks much,

Wirenut

Wirenut

06-03-2008, 04:26 PM

Okay... it's close... I purchased CoreAVC Mobile... and it works sweet with anything I throw at it. But when I click on any of the links from the transcode options in Nielm's webserver... it downloads the file [pls,wvx,m3u] and asks me to open after download... I hit ok... and CoreAVC or TCPMP on my PDA try to open the file and they both give me:

File Not Found!
http://192.168.1.2:8082/sagepublic/MediaFile Transcode?
MediaFileId=3340995&Segment=0&mode=vlc

With the player open.

I see the Wifi light blink on the router and the router port forwards to the correct machine.... I don't get it. Do I have to edit a properties file somewhere?

I can watch the transcodedstreams from my laptop via the same Wifi network at home without any problems....would be nice to have this on the PDA.

Any suggestions?

Peace,

Wirenut

motobarsteward

06-04-2008, 05:27 AM

The only one that I have ever got working with the pocket pc is the wmv transcoding. I've not used CoreAVC but even with TCPMP under WM6, you need the old dlls from WM5. Have you tried copying the WM5 dll files into the CoreAVC directory? That way, you may be able to use the wmv streams at least.

Okay... it's close... I purchased CoreAVC Mobile... and it works sweet with anything I throw at it. But when I click on any of the links from the transcode options in Nielm's webserver... it downloads the file [pls,wvx,m3u] and asks me to open after download... I hit ok... and CoreAVC or TCPMP on my PDA try to open the file and they both give me:

File Not Found!
http://192.168.1.2:8082/sagepublic/MediaFile Transcode?
MediaFileId=3340995&Segment=0&mode=vlc

With the player open.

I see the Wifi light blink on the router and the router port forwards to the correct machine.... I don't get it. Do I have to edit a properties file somewhere?

I can watch the transcodedstreams from my laptop via the same Wifi network at home without any problems....would be nice to have this on the PDA.

Any suggestions?

Peace,

Wirenut

AzJazz

06-06-2008, 09:49 AM

On my Titan (XV6800), running WM6.1:

I installed the Opera Browser and TCPMP.
I went to "http://mywebsite:myport/Sage/Recordings", entering my user name and password.
Clicking through down to the individual show, I selected "Watch (Streamed)"
Scrolling down, I went down to the "WMV" section
Then, under "256kbit deinterlaced third-res", I selected "Play in External Player [3mu]"

Voila! TCPMP starts up, and plays fine. Faster bitrates were choppy using EVDO-A. Wifi could probably get you higher resolutions, though.

Cheers!

Wirenut

06-06-2008, 08:12 PM

I'm running Pocket PC 2003... neither WM5 or WM6. So... I thought I'd have the older .dll's.... but I will try the dll's you posted. The Windows media player is Windows media player 9.

Do I need some sort of java VM running on my PDA?

I get a file not found error.... like the transcoder's not kickin' in on the server.. but it works with all other hardware across any connection.

Wirenut

David HVR1600

06-07-2008, 03:10 PM

I guess the thing that really sucks about all this hacked together stuff is that FF/RW doesnt really work. Pretty much takes teh wind out of my sales.

mkanet

06-09-2008, 09:51 AM

Okay, I'm still trying to understand why SageTV still doesnt provide mobile phone support. I can understand why it wasn't considered a high priority 3-4 years ago. But, enough is enough. I'm sure sageTV staff sees this thread popping up over and over again with people struggling to find solutions. If there's a need for this and people are willing to pay, what software development plans take higher priority than this basic need?

Slingbox is supporting iphones in addition to Windows Mobile phones. Im going to buy the new iphone 2 in about a month. It will really suck if I need to go buy an additional slingbox for something that SageTV should already support.

http://gizmodo.com/395415/sling-on-iphone-hands-on

mkanet

06-09-2008, 11:28 AM

I am hoping there's at least one sageTV developer attending this Developer Conference right now:

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

thatdude90210

06-09-2008, 08:45 PM

I'm using Orb on my iphone (http://orb.com/en/orblive). Works ok enough, but I would prefer either a sageclient or placeshifter on it though.

mkanet

06-09-2008, 09:09 PM

The problem with ORB is that it's garbage. It's backend on the server side is extremely clunky. I used it for about a year.

I'm using Orb on my iphone (http://orb.com/en/orblive). Works ok enough, but I would prefer either a sageclient or placeshifter on it though.

Brent

06-09-2008, 09:12 PM

ColumbusGEEK

06-10-2008, 07:48 AM

It seems like overkill for me to run Orb for one feature, but I do it as well.

Honestly I only use it for the wow factor so far. I've never had a situation where I needed to use it for anything more then showing people my pr0n at home.

mkanet

07-10-2008, 05:57 PM

http://gizmodo.com/5023749/apple-tv-21-update-adds-remote-app-and-mobile-me-support

bcjenkins

07-10-2008, 09:47 PM

You could get a sling box and connect it to an extender..

B

mkanet

07-10-2008, 10:16 PM

I didnt know that a slingbox supported SageTV's extender. Does it really?

You could get a sling box and connect it to an extender..

B

FZ1

07-11-2008, 12:09 AM

I've read of it being done on this forum with an HD extender, but not with an MVP.

bcjenkins

07-15-2008, 11:11 PM

I sent Sling an MVP and HD Extender remote. They are making a profile for the HD Extender but haven't been successful, yet, with the MVP remote. I'll post more when I get it.

B

mkanet

07-15-2008, 11:17 PM

Thanks Ben! Keep us updated.

I sent Sling an MVP and HD Extender remote. They are making a profile for the HD Extender but haven't been successful, yet, with the MVP remote. I'll post more when I get it.

B

bcjenkins

07-15-2008, 11:18 PM

Thanks Ben! Keep us updated.

Who's Ben? ;)

mkanet

07-16-2008, 02:54 AM

Oops... I dont know why I thought your name was Ben.

Who's Ben? ;)

FZ1

07-16-2008, 12:32 PM

That's great news bc, thanks for doing that!

that_kid

07-16-2008, 08:24 PM

I sent Sling an MVP and HD Extender remote. They are making a profile for the HD Extender but haven't been successful, yet, with the MVP remote. I'll post more when I get it.

B

I made a profile that works with my slingbox and mvp. It's based off a dvd player profile but it gets the job done.

bcjenkins

07-16-2008, 08:53 PM

I don't own a Sling Box, so I am at a disadvantage there ;) It's on my list of things for 2K9 though. P.P.P.P.P.P.P. (The 7 Ps)

B

mickp

07-19-2008, 08:17 AM

I agree. Orb's price is nice, but I was really unhappy with it's performance. I'd pay for a mobile version of Sage Placeshifter... Better yet, I'd give beer money to the developer who tackles this project...

Bump!!!1! :)

I reckon that this could be the next unbelievably cool thing for Sage. The green button crowd are still hanging for vaporsled :P. How cool would (dual release) Sage Placeshifter for WM6 and jesusphone3G be?

Here's a teaser terminal services pic that I posted ages ago here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22784&highlight=jasjam).

http://www.daleks-of-god.net/sage/jasjam2.jpg

Have there been any advances post java opensourcing which would make this easier now?

Mick.

PS: The poor old JasJam is going to be pensioned off once this (http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518) becomes available in Australia. OOOoooooh!!!

Nightrader_

01-03-2009, 11:14 AM

Here it is 2009 and this thread was started YEARS ago, why is there no placeshifter for my WM 6.1 (xv6800)?

Are the request of the user base that unimportant? I have watched Sagetv add animations (which I don't recall ANYONE requesting) but I have not seen them working on this, that HAS been request MANY MANY times. What gives???

I have paid my hard earned money to sageTV (Don't get me wrong, I love SageTV) so I think my request should carry some weight, yet I've seen sagetv add many features that I could not find a request for, That seems like a Microsoft trick.

Could we please get a placeshifter client for Windows Mobile???:bang:

bcjenkins

01-04-2009, 08:48 AM

Your requests don't matter as much in the forums as they do in email. Have you sent one in there?

For those curious: Sling Media is still working on creating remote profiles. It has not been an urgent thing for me, but about every month I send along an email asking where it is and occasionally escalating. I think it should be soon though based on my last email exchange. This will allow you to connect an MVP or HD extender to a sling box and take advantage of their mobile clients for WM, Symbian, Palm, and soon Blackberry. (they also have PC and Mac support which could remove that burden from your SageTV server as well)

In my opinion there is not enough demand for a WMO mobile client from SageTV's user base for them to justify the development resources required to create a PS client for WM or any mobile platform.

B

nspindel

01-04-2009, 08:54 AM

In my opinion there is not enough demand for a WMO mobile client from SageTV's user base for them to justify the development resources required to create a PS client for WM or any mobile platform.
B

Excuse me??? You're posting on page 7 of a thread specifically asking for this functionality! If there wasn't much demand for it, I don't think this thread would have reached page 7. If you don't want it, fine, but that doesn't mean that there aren't a whole lot of other people who do.

Brent

01-04-2009, 09:00 AM

I think what bcjenkins was trying to say is that there are plenty of folks who would like to get placeshifting on their mobile devices, in the end it's just a matter of cost/benefit to SageTV.

For instance, I'd love to see it on a blackberry or iPhone/iTouch myself. It's on the "feature request" list, but not sure how soon or likely.

nspindel

01-04-2009, 09:06 AM

I don't buy that at all. Nightrader's comment is extremely valid. I would like someone to point me to a thread where people are requesting animations in Sage. I would be willing to bet that more people are requesting mobile clients than are requesting animations.

Btw - I'm with you on an iphone client! I actually don't even use my windows mobile devices any more since getting iphone 3g.

Brent

01-04-2009, 09:08 AM

I don't buy that at all. Nightrader's comment is extremely valid. I would like someone to point me to a thread where people are requesting animations in Sage. I would be willing to bet that more people are requesting mobile clients than are requesting animations.

I'm not saying it won't happen - just trying to explain some of the possible reasons why it hasn't & why it might not be right around the corner. You and everyone else who wants such a thing should let SageTV know directly though ;)

bcjenkins

01-04-2009, 10:25 AM

Excuse me??? You're posting on page 7 of a thread specifically asking for this functionality! If there wasn't much demand for it, I don't think this thread would have reached page 7. If you don't want it, fine, but that doesn't mean that there aren't a whole lot of other people who do.

Ok, I'll break it down for you. Not including this post there were 143 posts in this thread. Your 7 page thread is only 4 in my view.

Of those 143 posts, only 62 were made by unique posters. If we were to dig deeper, you would find requests for Palm, iPhone, BB, and Windows Mobile mixed within.

Unfortunately, there isn't a truly inexpensive mobile data experience available in the US and much of the world. Which I believe is the biggest reason for the lack of focus from SageTV on this. Perhaps this chages with something like WiMax. Until then, I think the best experience will be a Sling Box with an HD extender. You'll get HD channel support along with ripped DVDs, and all the other file types SageTV's extender supports.

That said, I am indeed interested in a mobile client, but not WinMo. I have a Centro, a BB, an iPhone/iPod Touch (both gen 1 devices), and an Android unit. I think Sling is likely to be first to provide client support on all these device types before SageTV since it is their focus.

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motobarsteward

01-07-2009, 01:02 AM

bcjenkins, I think that you are probably correct in your assessment with one exception. Most Windows Mobile, Symbian and Apple phone have WiFi which, when at home, is free.
I find the WebInterface acceptable on my mobile but a full client would be nice.
SageTV is wrapped around mplayer, which is not supported by many platforms and I suspect this is why we have to continue to wait for mobile support.

GKusnick

01-07-2009, 01:41 AM

I would like someone to point me to a thread where people are requesting animations in Sage. I would be willing to bet that more people are requesting mobile clients than are requesting animations.

Since you ask, here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38290) is a current thread discussing possible upgrades to the stock UI. There's a long history of such threads, and animations and other forms of eye candy always figure prominently in the discussion. Also, if you spend some time browsing the Studio forum, you'll find numerous threads by third-party UI devs seeking help in creating animations and other flashy effects. The look and feel of the stock UI, and what can be done to improve it, is probably one of the most discussed issues on these forums. So it's not like the Sage devs just decided on a whim to add animations. People have been agitating for UI upgrades for years.

reggie14

01-08-2009, 08:23 AM

Unfortunately, there isn't a truly inexpensive mobile data experience available in the US and much of the world.

There used to be, and I still have it! I'm on an old Sprint SERO plan, which gives me 500 minutes, free nights and weekends, free calls to 3 numbers of my choice, and unlimited data access for a total of $30 a month. They don't offer it anymore, but I'm grandfathered in.

That being said, data access is getting very popular. Smart phones are catching on quickly, in spite of the current economic conditions, which I think speaks highly for them. Smart phones will be the norm very soon.

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I find the WebInterface acceptable on my mobile but a full client would be nice.

I agree- the mobile web interface is fine (though, the full web interface doesn't really work on my browsers on my phone very well). And I think it makes sense to focus on a web interface, rather than an actual placeshifter client. That's what Verizon and TiVo have done with their efforts on remote access to DVRs.

But, the mobile web interface doesn't tie into the main webservers streaming functionality. There's various reasons for this, probably mainly that its hard to come up with streaming formats that 1) work on most phones and 2) are supported by the VLC streaming engine. Even if it did, I'm not a big fan of VLC streaming due to the lack of support for fast forwarding, etc.