Brand new MVP won't work with Sage TV

[rmcrob]

I just got my Hauppauge MVP yesterday. I've been using SageTV and client for about a year with no problem.

I've spent several hours at this point trying to get the thing working with Sage. It works fine with the Hauppauge software, which I have since uninstalled.

I have found several threads and have tried lots of things. Any new ideas?

[rmcrob]

By the way, the MVP gives me a "no streaming server found" error. The server is certainly running, because it is working fine on two laptops running the client.

I am up to version 4.1.10 of Sage TV.

[Opus4]

In Detailed Setup -> Advanced, did you enable the Media Extender Server? After you do that, toggle the SageTV Server option off & then back on to restart the Media Extender server.

- Andy

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What is the revision version under the unit?

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[marneb17]

Do you have a working DHCP Server?

Marneb

[rmcrob]

I'll try to sum up:

The unit revision is 2.04

I do have a working DHCP server; it is working fine for all my laptops (3) running Sage Client. The MVP works fine with the Hauppauge software, as well.

I do have extender enabled. I have toggled it off and on several times. I have rebooted several times. I have followed several threads herein and nothing has been successful.

I have tried reinstalling software both from scratch and on top of existing.

In the end, I have been unable to get the MVP to find the server.

I have been able to use Matt's plugin to get the thing working. I'm not really happy that it isn't working directly as it is supposed to, but at least I have the functionality. I consider Matt's plugin a stopgap until I can get the MVP working natively with the server.

[_Demo_]

The revision should be a letter, a number then possibly another letter, it is printed under the mvp (something like D3A). Also, did you disable/remove hauppauge software?

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[rmcrob]

2.04 must be the firmware version, then. I'll check that this evening when I get home.

I did disable the Hauppauge software. When that approach failed, I removed it altogether with no success.

I also tried the registry improvement for TCPIP from Hauppauge. From what I have read since, that improvement may actually be an unimprovement. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to undo it. But that won't fix my problem.

While I'm writing, let me also say that I am a thoroughly satisfied Sage TV user. Up to the time of the MVP last Friday, it has always performed better than I even expected.

Obviously, I would rather have gotten the extender from Sage. Since they are out of stock, I went to Hauppauge. I was backordered there a couple weeks. I was very surprised the thing didn't work as advertised. I have wondered if there was a hardware change that makes this unit incompatible with Sage. I don't know if there is any kind of battle going on between the two companies that could result in such a thing.

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I'm also wondering if you have received a new mvp model. This could explain your problem. I didn't think they were shipping yet. We're still working on making them compatible.

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[rmcrob]

I ordered it two or three weeks ago and it was on backorder. I received it Friday. Model 86019 Rev H1.

[_Demo_]

It seems you received the updated model, does it have a spdif connector on the back? This model is not supported in the current version.

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[rmcrob]

It does have an extra black RCA connector between the audio connectors and the ethernet connector that isn't in the picture on front of the installation guide. There is no mention of it in the guide anywhere. Is that the spdif connector?

If this model isn't supported, that would explain why it doesn't work. I don't feel quite so stupid now.

What's the prognosis?

[_Demo_]

We're working on adding support for this model and it should work in one of the upcoming beta releases.

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[rmcrob]

Excellent. Thanks.

[spanky]

That's a modified (or should I say a de-modified) wireless MVP. Hauppauge hasn't gotten the wireless support completely right and when people still demanded the wired units they pulled the wireless cards from a bunch of units and sold them as wired units but left the updated flash showing the 2.04 rev on the boot screen.

[JUC]

so...the obvious questions....is that black connector a SPDIF output?!? And if so, is DVD support in the works!?!......and finally--what is the price of the new units...

details..details please!!!!:clap:

[Jesse]

Hi,

What JUC said!!:clap:

TIA

Jesse

[rmcrob]

Well, I got mine for the regular price because, apparently, it is a quick way for Hauppauge to fulfil orders. I don't know if the extra black connector works or not. I'm relatively sure they didn't leave the wireless card in it, or it would have found my wireless network (although I'm going to check that out when I get a chance).

Now I kind of wish I had waited for the units to be restocked at Sage TV. I thought I would be jumping ahead, but it doesn't work right anyway.

I'm having some trouble using Matt's plugin. It works well when it works, but it is dropping the connection too much. That's frustrating, because it doesn't pick it back up too easily or too fast. I haven't yet been able to determine what is causing the dropped connection. I never have drops with my wireless network, and this ethernet connection is going through the same router. Oh, well.

I'm seriously thinking of just using the Hauppauge software while I wait for Sage TV to come up to speed with the new MVP. At least I could watch .mpg files recorded with Sage. Not what I expected to be able to do, but still pretty cool. I've purchased a Sage license for the MVP (which is wasted right now) and an additional license for Sage client to use Matt's plugin (which will be forever wasted unless I put it on another laptop, which I doubt), but that's ok.

[JUC]

I (and others) had problems with matt's plugin and dropped networks. I had to drop my network speed to 10 half duplex for it to connect reliable. FWIW Sage's built in support however worked fine at 100 full duplex...

Also--that 'black connector' you speak of----any idea of what it is or maybe posting a pic? round or square? Anything in the documentation?

Thanks
JUC

[rmcrob]

I'm at work, not home, now. If more info is needed, I'll post again later.

The connector is round. It looks to me like a standard RCA connector, just like the audio connectors, only black. It sits on the back of the MVP between the audio connectors and the ethernet connector.

There is nothing about it in the documentation, which is sparse anyway. It isn't even in the picture on the cover.

[spanky]

JUC,

It is an SPDIF connector but there is no AC-3 decoder in the unit so all you will get out of it is stereo audio. The PCBs look almost identical between the old units and the new units so I wouldn't expect any added functionality. The wireless support is done through a wireless CF (compact flash) card which is removed on the new wired units Hauppauge is sending out to fulfill orders of the wired units. There is also a wireless antenna stuck to the front of the wireless unit. Some OEM units will be using the CF connector inside the unit for a CF memory card so that they will be able to play content off the internal card rather than a PC (for standalone kiosks and such). I will drop an email to my contact at Hauppauge to see if he can send me some pics of the new unit's PCB.

[JUC]

spanky-thanks for the info--good stuff. But I'm a little confused. Is it just this particular stripped down version that does not have the AC-3 decoder in it or will all the new MVP's (wireless) ones also not have this decoder? I don't understand the reasoning behind this.
Thanks
JUC

[Jesse]

Um...hmmm....What JUC said. Again.

Jesse

[spanky]

From what I understand none of the new models will have an AC-3 decoder. I'm not sure what Hauppauge is thinking. The person who I get my info from says that "The Powers That Be" do not want to add much to the cost of the MVP. I think they believe that their niche is the $99 to $129 market. They had discussed a "MVP Pro" model based on a Sigma Designs box (which was actually tested) that had component output, DVI and AC-3, native VOB and DivX support. The problem was the price point which would have been $250 easily. I'm not sure Hauppauge believes that there is a market for the MVP at that price point. I'm not sure that I blame them either. The MVPs are now well under $100 and people still want more out of them then what they were designed to do, can you imagine what people would expect at $250? Something that would fetch the paper in the morning, have dinner ready when you got home and would draw you a hot bath in the evenings. Anyway, here are the pictures. They are blurry but they are what I was sent. The original MVP is on the left of each picture with the wireless unit on the right. I'll try to get clearer pictures out of my friend in the morning.

[Jesse]

Hi Spanky,

From what I understand none of the new models will have an AC-3 decoder.

Now that is a drag.:( :confused: :rolleyes: Looks like the new mvp is not going to work for me.

Thanks again for the info.

Jesse

[PGPfan]

Jesse, you could just wait for the transcoding to be finished in Sage. Wouldn't that work for you?

-PGPfan

[MrApollinax]

You say it doesn't have a built-in decoder however i should be able to hook the SPDIF connection to another reciever that does correct? I should be able to pass the AC3 stream through the MVP into something else that will support it or am I off base?

[JUC]

You say it doesn't have a built-in decoder however i should be able to hook the SPDIF connection to another reciever that does correct? I should be able to pass the AC3 stream through the MVP into something else that will support it or am I off base?

now there's a thought!! Also, when and if sage gets transcoding done and supports DVD streaming--what type of processor power are we talking about on the server end?

Thanks for all the infor everyone
JUC

[gplasky]

That's what I was thinking too. The SPDIF should pass-thru the AC-3. We don't need the MVP to decode it, we just need it to provide the AC-3 stream. Currently nothing on the MVP can provide that.

Gerry

[Jesse]

Hi,

You say it doesn't have a built-in decoder however i should be able to hook the SPDIF connection to another reciever that does correct? I should be able to pass the AC3 stream through the MVP into something else that will support it or am I off base?


Quite right. It was late and I was tired. This would be exactly what is needed.:) .

Now that that is settled, when can we get them?

Jesse

[AndyS]

Didn't I read somewhere of a mod to the original MVP to add SPDIF? Does anyone have a link? I'm thinking that things are about to get exciting for us MVP owners! :clap:

Andy.

[Para]

Didn't I read somewhere of a mod to the original MVP to add SPDIF? Does anyone have a link?Yes
http://home.xnet.com/~stuart/images/mediamvp/index.shtml
And here is some more reading about it:
http://www.shspvr.com/smf/index.php?topic=4267.0

[AndyS]

Thank you! That's just what I was looking for.

Andy.

[Narflex]

Just posted a new beta that supports the new version of the MVP.

Oh yeah, the new beta does VOB transcoding as well. :)

[cmaffia]

Then we can expect that possibly the wireless version will work with SageTV when released now that beta 4.1.11 is released and supports MVP with firmware v2.0 and higher?


That's a modified (or should I say a de-modified) wireless MVP. Hauppauge hasn't gotten the wireless support completely right and when people still demanded the wired units they pulled the wireless cards from a bunch of units and sold them as wired units but left the updated flash showing the 2.04 rev on the boot screen.

[Narflex]

Yes, we will be supporting the wireless MVP. (it's just not done yet, but we're working hard on it)

[rmcrob]

Excellent. Can't wait to give it a try.

[rmcrob]

It's working now after the installation of 4.1.11 beta. You guys are good.

[Jesse]

Hi,

So I understand: VOB transcoding and spdif pass through?:thumb: So this means playback of ripped DVD's with DD5.1?

TIA

Jesse

[Stuntman]

Will Hauppauge be updating the bootloader and/or firmware on the original 1.0 units? Is there any benefit to the updated firmware or is it simply to accomodate the audio and wireless changes?

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I don't think it would help anything to update it.

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