STV: SageMC 16x9 Version 6.x (latest dev build)

[dflachbart]

This is the support thread for the latest development version of mlbdude's SageMC 16x9. For a new installation of SageMC the following steps are necessary:

download and extract the full SageMC installation package here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=141) and extract it to your SageTV install directory (which contains SageTV.exe), e.g. C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV. Make sure to extract all files with preserving the folder structure
(optional): download any custom icons or graphics, MeInMaui's are terrific (e.g. those (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=89))
load SageMC_169.xml in Setup/DetailedSetup/Advanced/Load Application Package from the default STV
now in SageMC, configure your main menu (by bringing up the options menu, ESC on the keyboard)
configure all other SageMC specific settings (there are tons of them) to your liking, this can be done from Settings/DetailedSetup/Advanced/SageMC Options

If you are already using SageMC and just upgrading to a newer version, download the latest development STV version here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=139) and follow the other steps described above.

At this point I want to thank mlbdude again who gave us this awesome STV :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: . It is by far the most elegant and great looking Sage UI around, I really love it .


Installation instructions and download: here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=141)

More info on SageMC: SageMC Wiki (http://www.sage-community.org/index.cgi/wiki/SageMC169) (note that some of it is a bit outdated)



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Instructions for generating a debug log file:
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If you want to help diagnose problems:

- shutdown Sage
- add (or edit) the property debug_logging=TRUE (uppercase!) in the Sage property file (SageClient.properties if you are using client or SageTV service, else Sage.properties)
- add (or edit) the property plugins/df/debug_level=1 in Sage property file
- restart Sage
- follow any steps to reproduce the problem
- attach sagetvclient_0.txt (client/service) or sagetv_0.txt (standalone) to your post



Here's an excellent write-up from gplasky about the differences and pitfalls of *.xml, *.stv, and *.stvi files. This might be of help especially to new users who often get confused about this:

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XML, STV, and STVi:
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STV extension is the old SageTV Application Package extension.
You should think of these as Sage "skins" or "themes". This changes mostly what Sage looks like and it's functionallity. DELETE THESE THAT END IN STV! These are old and are limiting and will prevent you from loading the new STV "skins" or "themes".

XML is the NEW extension for these STV SageTV Application Package files.
(People have begun to refer to them as STVs.) Again, think of these as Sage "skins" or "themes". It's a look and functionallity.

NEVER IMPORT A STV !
You don't import a STV ("skin") in the default STV and most other STVs. You LOAD an STV. When you load an STV its extension ends in .xml.

STVi extension is the SageTV Application Package Import.
Think of these as a "plug-in" or "add-on" and is usually meant to add a single new function or application to SageTV. (Example: Video Edit, Netflix, MovieTimes, etc.)

NEVER LOAD AN STVi !
Never load an STVi. Bad things can happens. ALWAYS import an STVi. Let associate the "i" with Import.

SAGEMC IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULES !
SageMC was designed for particular ease of use and for use with a remote only. (For the most part) Because of that SageMC was never designed to handle Imports. That's why you don't see .STVi extensions in there. But what it CAN see is the .xml extension. Which is also the default extension for STV also. And this is where the confusion comes in. In SageMC, when importing a plugin you will see STV and Imports because they both use the .XML extension. You just need to be careful and understand what you are doing. Know the name of the import you wish to use. Look for imports specifically designed for SageMC. They will say so.

When you've hosed yourself, stop SageTV. (Quit, don't sleep) and modify the properties files and put this line back in:
Code:

STV=C\:\\Program Files\\SageTV\\SageTV\\STVs\\SageTV3\\SageTV3.xml

(this works for the default install.)

Restart Sage and you will have the default skin loaded.





Version history:

SageTV 5.x:

v6.0:
- first build, based on SageMC_16x9 v5_10 and SageMC Addon v0.6
- after stopping a media file playback, SageMC will now go back to the last menu instead of always going to the Main menu (property "plugins/df/sagemc/back_on_stop")
- the "My Menu" menu title can be renamed through a property ("plugins/df/sagemc/mymenu_name")
- leaving the detailed setup menu with "Left" (when using 'left_as_back') now possible
- added 'Unresolved Recording Conflict' icon to main menus (property "plugins/df/sagemc/show_conflict_icon") - Note: this is *disabled* by default, set it to 'true' if you want it to be displayed)
- incorporated changes suggested by nielm for integrating his RSS plugin
- fixed bug where deleted show still showed up in subgroup listing

v6.1:
- added STV version info
- fixed bug with LiveTV not working from main menu


v6.2:
- title and desc corrections for 4x3 screens
- added view mode filter to schedule
- added view mode filter to movies
- added filter to grouped recordings
- added encoder icons
- included MeInMaui's new showicons pack v2

v6.3:
- settings of all addon features can now be configured inside of SageMC on new settings menu
- added larger video preview window
- added series premieres filter on schedule screen
- added easy title search which updates results on the fly

v6.4:
- preview window (show title) is now selectable again
- fixed wrapping issue in program description for good
- basic configuration options (almost) complete
- added option to remove channel numbers in EPG
- added toggle for ShowID info
- added 12 sec comskip inactivity wait when jumping backwards

v6.5:
- full implementation of standard Sage conflict resolution
- sounds can now be disabled in the settings menu
- added evilpenguins extension for minimizing Sage after starting external programs from the 'Other Programs' screen
- added recording icons for the list "Other Showings"
- fixed missing 'Left_as_back' functionality in several menus.
- fixed remaining code where the movie category was hardcoded
- added options "Default Start/Stop Padding" for favorites
- added SortByDate/SortByOriginalDate to subgroup menu
- added 'Year' attribute to Favorite settings.
- added text entry and directory file listing to ease input of values in SageMC settings
- added an option to display the vertical 'current time' bar in the EPG
- 'Premieres' filter does now show also Season premieres
- added option to limit lookahead for premieres search
- extra info (on Info toggle) now also shows extra airing details (CC, Stereo, Premiere, etc) in addition to the external ShowID

v6.6:
- addded HDTV icons in guide
- use separate "currently recording" icons for each tuner
- added three customizable main menu options whcih can be linked to any internal Sage screen
- title of 'My Menu' screen can now be set on options page
- added Erase button to keyboard entry on options page
- added option to set color for options menu background (try 0x5E86C3 for MCE theme)
- added option to disable guide coloring
- reorganized SageMC options into logical groups
- fixed day not updating in Guide By Channel
- fixed detail info not showing up when Guide is shown initially

v6.7:

- setting "disable stop popup" now also affects preview window (for MVP users)
- added more information to Settings/Info (hostname, IP, etc)
- fixed an issue with back command in movie/categories
- you can now switch to lowercase in the text entry dialog by pressing "Play" button
- fixed file selection box for meta data xml
- fixed icon layout
- premieres screen will indicate if show is already scheduled to record
- fixed search dialog for music/videos
- default padding now also applies to manual recordings
- added setting to enable autoshow of timebar when autoskip is enabled
- added setting to enable saving for partial manual recordings

v6.8:

- added configuration options for Placeshifter in Detailed Setup
- added missing Play/Pause listeners
- fixed delete dialog in OSD screen
- fixed cut-off HDTV icon
- added "Show All Icons" setting to disable mutual exclusion of icons (default=off)
- added jump table for My Videos
- added ability to exclude archived shows when 'No Filter' is selected (default=off)
- favorite status can now be toggled from EPG
- added ability to delete a whole group of shows (in 'Grouped' view)
- fixed reset of watched status
- added watched length bars (default=off)
- added ability to minimize on sleep (default=off)
- added Numeric Text Entry throughout all input screens
- internal: slimmed down STV size by 1 MB (by eliminating unused default STV code)

v6.9:

- added "Sort ascending/Descending" options for date sorts (by Date / Grouped)
- "Record" button will not be shown in prog info if show is already recording
- modified menu title if "without archive" option is enabled
- added grouped view for schedules, movies, and watched history
- added watched filter for movies
- added "Sort by year" for movies
- favorite editor now allows to select all channels the show is airing on
- cleaned up / fixed existing comskip code
- added edl comskip support
- added start/stop commskip delay options (works for txt and edl)
- added 'Sort by date / Sort by Title / Group by category' to 'Suggestions' menu
- added time bar to additional info in Program Info
- added .my file support with auto generation/cleanup
- added 'Delete All Playlists" item in Playlist manager
- added option for showing all 10 days in 'My Weather' forecast
- added configuration for commercial breaks alpha value
- fixed timed recording issue
- fixed music queue
- rewrote OSD animation code / fixed music options menu
- 6.9a: added comskip on left/right buttons
- 6.9b: fixed OSD options menu not showing up in certain cases
- 6.9b: added "-" ('#') handling of default STV in channel tuning
- 6.9b: added watched bars for My TV menu
- 6.9b: made additional info setting in Program Info menu sticky

v6.10:

- added temporary setting for auto-comskip
- scroll through Program Info from Guide
- added option to bring up OSD Options menu on 'Select'
- added optional diskbar display
- added IMDB lookup for TV recordings
- added option to set default for filter in Movies menu
- added "Sort By Star Rating" to Movies screen
- added "Search by Actor" to Search menu
- added a blinking text cursor to the text entry dialogs (can be disabled)
- added 'cancel' button to "Keep partial recording ?" dialog
- shows can be marked as watched / dontlike while playing
- automatic .my files generation will now includes library files too
- generated .my file info for TV shows will now also fill the fields title, actors, and overview
- .my file overview is now shown in OSD info
- after saving the IMDB info for a video it now returns directyly to the Video Info screen
- if a video is playing in the preview window on the Main menu, 'left' will return back to full screen Video
- when a grouped item is selected in a grouped view, the first itme in the list is now focused instead of the menu buttons
- added a 'recording' indicator to the menu screens (default is disabled)
- OSD info in the video screen can now be canceled with 'Left' before the OSD timeout
- added 'Stop' button to stop dialog at the end of playback
- added jump table to Music / By Artist
- album art to Music / By Artist
- after a song from the queue has finished playing, it will now get automatically removed from the queue (that's for you Mike :))
- when playing a video playlist it starts to play in fullscreen instead of the preview window
- added a new clock format to show date and 24hr time
- update parental locks screens to match SageMC themes (thanks to kricker for his help !)
- added group name to 'Video Info' if .my file info is read
- re-grouped SageMC options
- added setting to show paused video instead of 'Stopped' icon in preview window (can be disabled)
- added support for XMLTV importer DD, DS, and 16:9 icons
- now showing separate icons for series recording/not recording
- added online/offline icons to video library view (sorry geogecko it took so long ... ;)) (default is disabled)
- added setting to disable comskip on left/right for those who have volume control mapped to these buttons
- updated Focus Gained/ Focus Lost hooks in STV to be compatible with upcoming 5.1 beta
- corrected width of My Menu items so that they wont overlap the video preview window any more
- made another change to the HD channel entry which hopefully will fix it for good
- fixed issue with watched shows showing up when "Unwatched" filter selected in Recorded TV
- fixed the 24:00 clock display issue
- fixed my menu title when using dynamic main menu
- fixed accidental deletion of custom group attribute on dvdprofiler update and title change

v6.10a:
- added setting to disable global volume OSD (if using combined left/right/volume remote mappings)
- fixed issue with always going to LiveTV on BACK in main menu
- fixed SELECT in DVD navigation
- fixed black screen on DELETE in Stop dialog
- fixed stop dialog popping up for video playlists
- fixed conflict_resolved icon
- OptionsMenu now default for SELECT
- improved IMDB lookup
- now using nielm's new 4.0 imdb JAR file

v6.11:
- IMDB lookup image cache
- support for fullsize genre icons
- clip recording
- exit command
- access to episodes in IMDB search
- IMDB trivia/quotes now scrollable
- updated manual IMDB search dialog
- 'Info' in Program Info now also toggles display of file name and file size
- added setting to disable queue update
- added listener for REC in 'Other Showings'
- added 15 mins increase/decrease of fav padding options with Skip Fwd/Skip Bkwd
- added watched bar setting in SageMC options back
- fixed Custom3 menu issue
- 6.11a: removed dependency to df_sageutils.jar
- 6.11a: added combine Volume/Left-Right listeners to OSD
- 6.11a: added functionality to permanently change show category to alias definition
- fixed Custom3 menu issue

v6.12:
- added custom exit cmd menu item which can be renamed
- added option to show IMDB pics in OSD and Guide info
- added functionality to change the category for any video file
- added options menu for video (single file/folder): change category, .my file, add to playlist
- implemented scrollable edit widget (SageMC options and video/music search)
- fixed "remove from custom group"
- fixed "delete custom group"
- fixed .myfile generation for music files
- added clock font size setting
- added "Unarchive" button for archived TV content
- revamped picture library
- added pic fwd/backwd to single picture view

v6.13a (Note: this is the last version supporting SageTV 5.x):
- enhanced scrollable text widget
- use folder.jpg for picture folders
- separate setttings for "View By List/Folder" in video library
- improved file selection dialog
- auto-comskip configuration by title
- glassy diskbar
- automatic series genre icon generation
- integrated Morgan's weather maps
- Google Video integration for v6 beta
- fixed issue with channel digits not showing up in info on channel change
- fixed dvd ffwd operation
- added option to specify destination for pressing 'Delete' in the Stop dialog ('Back On Delete')
- updated themes of RSS feed menus
- fixed missing pic folders on 'Sort By Date' if they had the same time stamps
- added settings for some font sizes
- movies by year are now grouped by title, eliminating multiple entries


SageTV 6.0:

v6.2.0:

Bugfixes:
- video preview on 10-day forecast
- compatibility with auto-aspect plugin
- view by artist includes composer tag
- empty watched history
- missing auto-comskip for library files
- delete show did not delete
- OSD in DVD took up whole screen
- watched bars for recent recordings did not use property setting
- file selector box issue
- numeric input in non-NTE mode not working
- currently airing shows not shown in "Other Airings"

New Features:
- added "Back to Google" button in OSD
- delete skips Program Info menu on back
- auto-generation of genre icons searches now all episodes for an existing icon
- Google Search Dialog now using SageMC theme
- added all/upcoming filter for search results
- added options menu for rotating pictures (new 6.0 functionality)
- delete pictures
- added two more custom main menus
- added default STV delete dialog (configurable in SageMC settings)
- added configuration for wrapped Date/Time display
- added weather bar in Main Menu (thanks to Mike !)
- updated nielm's dynamic menus to the latest 5.3 version


v6.3.0:


added TV Editorials and TV Series Info
full integration of Dynamic Menus as the Main Menu
re-work of Music Library
Sage V6.0 video compression
automatic compression for favorites
enhancement in Video and Photo Library
added channel jump from main menu
miniguide enhancement
new theme switching
background Library Import Scan
added main menu side-menus for 'My Videos' and 'My Music'
now showing non-scheduled favorites icon in Show Premieres menu
added 'recorded/past/future' filter in Other showings
added 'HD' filter to movies
'Select' confirms channel in OSD menu even if you have 'Select' bound to bring up the options menu
enhanced file browser dialog to first show directories and then files
deletion in full picture view will not go back to the Picture libary any more
added custom format (in java.text.SimpleDateFormat style) for recording list times
show video format in additional info in Program Info menu
fixed: weather bar selection did not work in MCE style
fixed: main menu not updating on add/remove in MCE style
fixed: font size issue in weather bar
fixed: clock display (0/24)
fixed: no fav channels shown if empty channel name is present
fixed: search im MyTV now only looks for TV files
fixed: just finished recording showing up in upcoming recordings
fixed: channel change bug for network encoder
fixed: thumbnail not updating when rotating in full picture view


v6.3.1:


added RSS Ticker
added "keep original video files" option for auto-compressed favorites
added Screensaver Slideshow
integrated of 'My Music files' into 'My Music'
added dynamic weather map URLs
updated Diskbar code
added some more mouse support
mapped skip fwd#2/back#2 buttons in music lib to skip tracks
added option to play all albums (options menu for an album)
added menu items (in Options menu) to easily switch between main menu modes (standard/Dynamic Main Menu)
added option to hide Temperature F/C symbol in weather bar
added "picture only" view in picture library, moved title to top
added current album/artist title to top of music library screen
added dialog to resume/restart DVD playback
added setting for the display time of the cover art during visualization
added option to specify a different background pic
added comskip support for *.ts files
added Audio languages selection for non-DVD content in OSD
added watched bars to video library fon non-DVD content
added setting for more detailed rec time formats (hr-min, and fractional hours)
added option to disable visualization for music screensaver
added highlighting of selected channel in guide
added options menu for a group of recordings (watched/dontlike/delete)
added ability to map any internal screen to a double press of the 'Home' button
fixed icon half off main menu
fixed stretched icons in dm options
fixed missing volume display in now playing
fixed Google Top 100 sometimes empty (99 item fix from default STV)
fixed empty schedule problem (added check for NULL airings)
fixed scrolling through shows in program info when show with .my file was selected
fixed disabling of scaling insets
fixed grid size in all 3 views (video, picture, music) to remain sticky
fixed main menu selection when returning from side-menu screens
fixed compression dialog not returning directly to Program Info screen
fixed left-hand menu in Program Info, moved "Compress All" to SendTo
fixed 'Archive' functionality in stop dialog
fixed Volume OSD not updating on Mute


v6.3.2:


video library metadata compatible to v6.0 default STV
enhanced DVD profiler integration
ability to display seven more weather maps
filtered Video and Music library views
external screensaver
disable main menu side menus if a PIN has been defined on the menu
vertical ticker scrolling
"max characters" setting for RSS ticker headline to avoid resizing
show "Watched" button for videos in left hand menu
RSS ticker enable/disable to OSD options menu
Media Extender Quality setting in Detailed Setup
"Play Album from here" in Album view
"Rescan Library Folders" button in Picture library
option to always zoom single pictures
option to append "\video_ts.ifo" to the external DVD player call
option to disable channel entry feature in standard main menu
fixed: incorrect hour display in diskbar
fixed: dynamic weather map URLs for European date format
fixed: ticker not updating, centered ticker headline vertically
fixed: context sensitive Home cmd in std main menu not working
fixed: dimensions of "Update DVD Profiler Metadata" dialog
workaround for core bug: switch aspect ratio not always working in overlay mode
fixed: bleeding stop dialog

[evilpenguin]

:goodjob: I love the detailed recording time.


A few quick things I notices:
-Not sure if it was intended, but I have a show showing up as being recorded 64 minutes ago, which looks a little awkward.
-My SageMC folder stucture has the images folder at "\STVs\SageTV3\SageMCE\Images\", but your zip is putting your new images into "\STVs\SageMCE\Images\"

[dflachbart]

:goodjob: I love the detailed recording time.

Not sure if it was intended, but I have a show showing up as being recorded 64 minutes ago, which looks a little awkward.

Yeah, it'll display 1-90 minutes and then switch to full hours. If this is awkward, I can change it easily ...

Dirk

[Alfiegerner]

Thanks for this Flachbar, some good additions to my favourite STV :D

One query though, I'm slightly confused about the 'Grouped' sort option in the Recordings menu and how to use it. At the moment I have about 30 recorded programs but none of them show up when 'Grouped' is active. Is there somewhere that we need to group recordings ourselves manually?

[kricker]

You will loose the "Channel EPG" What does that mean exactly? I am not sure I know what the "Channel EPG" is.

[dflachbart]

Thanks for this Flachbar, some good additions to my favourite STV :D

One query though, I'm slightly confused about the 'Grouped' sort option in the Recordings menu and how to use it. At the moment I have about 30 recorded programs but none of them show up when 'Grouped' is active. Is there somewhere that we need to group recordings ourselves manually?

Hmm, the new "Grouped' option should behave like the "Sort By Title' option, just that all displayed entries get also sorted by date, for groups the date will be the date of the most recent file in the group ...

So your recording list is empty when you switch to the new option ? This is weird ... Can you send me your wiz.bin so that I can debug the issue ?

Dirk

[dflachbart]

What does that mean exactly? I am not sure I know what the "Channel EPG" is.

With the default behavior, when you are in the guide and press the guide button again the EPG will switch to a new view, only listing shows for one channel. Subsequent button presses will toggle between these two views. The only option to get out of the guide is with the back button.

I prefer to have *one* toggle button for the guide, so that I can press the guide button to bring it up, and the same to get back where I was. The EPG-for-one-channel view is still accessible when you bring up the options menu within the guide, but I hardly ever use it ...

Dirk

[xlr8shun]

Thanks for this Flachbar, some good additions to my favourite STV :D

One query though, I'm slightly confused about the 'Grouped' sort option in the Recordings menu and how to use it. At the moment I have about 30 recorded programs but none of them show up when 'Grouped' is active. Is there somewhere that we need to group recordings ourselves manually?

it seems to me that "grouped" is a little bit of both the "sort by title" and "sort by date" filters.

it sorts my recordings by date first, then groups recordings with the same name together in a 'folder'

could be wrong though, i dont know why you wouldnt have any recordings showing when you sort by group

[xlr8shun]

-My SageMC folder stucture has the images folder at "\STVs\SageTV3\SageMCE\Images\", but your zip is putting your new images into "\STVs\SageMCE\Images\"

same thing here, i had to move the images to their correct directory

[dflachbart]

-My SageMC folder stucture has the images folder at "\STVs\SageTV3\SageMCE\Images\", but your zip is putting your new images into "\STVs\SageMCE\Images\"

Doh, I didn't see this until now ... :bang: You are absolutely right, the zip file contained wrong paths ...

So for all who did not see the new firstrun icons and movie markings, I just uploaded V0.2 which will put the images into the correct location.

Sorry for that,
Dirk

[kricker]

I prefer to have *one* toggle button for the guide, so that I can press the guide button to bring it up, and the same to get back where I was. The EPG-for-one-channel view is still accessible when you bring up the options menu within the guide, but I hardly ever use it ...sweet...that is the way I'd rather have it as well. Consider this import...imported!

[dflachbart]

it seems to me that "grouped" is a little bit of both the "sort by title" and "sort by date" filters.

it sorts my recordings by date first, then groups recordings with the same name together in a 'folder'

could be wrong though, i dont know why you wouldnt have any recordings showing when you sort by group

No, you got it absolutely right ... :)


Dirk

[dflachbart]

sweet...that is the way I'd rather have it as well. Consider this import...imported!

:D

And remember, once you imported it and decide that you dont like some of the features, you can easily disable any of them by changing the corresponding setting in the property file ....

Dirk

[kricker]

:D

And remember, once you imported it and decide that you dont like some of the features, you can easily disable any of them by changing the corresponding setting in the property file ....

Dirknp...I like 'em all!

[Alfiegerner]

So your recording list is empty when you switch to the new option ? This is weird ... Can you send me your wiz.bin so that I can debug the issue ?

Dirk

Yep that's right, but I've found out its only like this using my mvp. If I import the add-on into a pc based client it works as you say it should. Also, using the mvp the images for 1st ran and the colour coding image for movies in the guide aren't being pulled through.

Just going to try leaving my mvp unplugged for a while to see if that forces it to fully reload the STV.

[dflachbart]

Also, using the mvp the images for 1st ran and the colour coding image for movies in the guide aren't being pulled through.


You noticed the previous post about the incorrect image file location in the zip file, right ? Just want to make sure that this is not the reason why you dont see firtsruns/movies ...

Dirk

[Alfiegerner]

You noticed the previous post about the incorrect image file location in the zip file, right ? Just want to make sure that this is not the reason why you dont see firtsruns/movies ...

Dirk


Yep no probs, already moved the folders to the correct loaction. The weird thing is I can see the images and get the correct grouping functionality using my client pc but not my mvp.

[dflachbart]

I added two other features to the addon:

- the currently showing movies screen "On Now" is now sorted descending (which makes much more sense to me ;)) , so that the most recently started shows appear on top (property plugins/df/sagemc/on_now_desc)

- while in the Guide, pressing the 'Play' button on a channel will play the selected show in the preview window which allows for channel surfing without leaving the guide (property plugins/df/sagemc/play_in_guide)

I also added a more distinctive firstrun icon, if you dont like it the old one is still available as firstrun_old.png, just copy it over ...

v0.4 can be downloaded here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=82)


Dirk

[evilpenguin]

:thumb: I like the new first run icon. My vision is pretty bad and I was having a hard time telling the old first run from the watched icon.

[MeInMaui]

flachbar,

Thanks for providing these addons. This is good stuff. I've made a couple of simple modifications in my SageMC setup that I have found to be really useful. I thought I'd suggest them to you.

When recordings are grouped by Title, I have the subgroup sorted (decending) by OriginalAiringDate. This puts all of the episodes in their original run order. For example, I have 98 episodes (and counting) of 24 waiting to be watched and they are niclely sorted in order from seasons 1 thru 5. (I just have to find some time to watch them)

The other modification is I added the movie release year next to the movie title in the detailed info box in the guide, recorded programs list, etc. (just like in the latest original STV). This has greatly helped in deciding what movies to record. My wife really likes both of these changes, as well as all of the ones you provided.

Thanks again for sharing your work.
Aloha,
Mike

[geogecko]

Just installed this. Great new features, thank you.

What is "Grouped?" I've looked at it compared to "By Title" and can't tell a difference, other than it's not in alphabetacal order.

Also, since you seem to be the import guru, is there any chance this could be added to the import?

http://forums.freytechnologies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17865

That would be sweet!

[dflachbart]

flachbar,

When recordings are grouped by Title, I have the subgroup sorted (decending) by OriginalAiringDate. This puts all of the episodes in their original run order. For example, I have 98 episodes (and counting) of 24 waiting to be watched and they are niclely sorted in order from seasons 1 thru 5. (I just have to find some time to watch them)



Actually, I already have this code ready to go, since another user asked for it too :) . I usually only record first runs so I never needed this, but the more I think about it it just seems logical to sort show series by original airing date instead, and it would work for first runs the same way as before. So if I dont hear any objections from anyone, I'll change this in the next version ...


The other modification is I added the movie release year next to the movie title in the detailed info box in the guide, recorded programs list, etc. (just like in the latest original STV). This has greatly helped in deciding what movies to record. My wife really likes both of these changes, as well as all of the ones you provided.


Doh, I didnt even notice that this is missing in SageMC ... ;) Consider it done ...


Thanks for the suggestions,

Dirk

[dflachbart]

What is "Grouped?" I've looked at it compared to "By Title" and can't tell a difference, other than it's not in alphabetacal order.


Yeah, the order has changed: the entries are now sorted by date, and a series subgroup gets the date from its most recently recorded show. This way you have a grouping by show (like the old 'Sort By Title'), but the series entries for which new shows have recently been recorded will show up on top ...




Also, since you seem to be the import guru, is there any chance this could be added to the import?

http://forums.freytechnologies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17865

That would be sweet!

Yeah, I'd love to have this in SageMC, but I dont know if I have the time for this. Writing the import is one thing, but converting all the screens into the SageMC 'look-and-feel' is another ... If someone is up to the task to do the conversion and create a custom SageMC STV, I'd be more than happy to contribute the import coding ...

Dirk

[evilpenguin]

While we're talking small changes, I made a quick, one line, change to the "Other Programs " menu that quits sage instead of putting it to sleep when you launch something. Then I just have the batch file I run, relaunch Sage after the other program quits. Or if its something I want to run in the background while I work in Sage, I just relaunch SageTV manually with a button on my remote.

I've found that this is very handy when you're launching DirectX stuff like games that don't play nice when Sage is in sitting in FSE mode in the background.

[dflachbart]

While we're talking small changes, I made a quick, one line, change to the "Other Programs " menu that quits sage instead of putting it to sleep when you launch something. Then I just have the batch file I run, relaunch Sage after the other program quits. Or if its something I want to run in the background while I work in Sage, I just relaunch SageTV manually with a button on my remote.

I've found that this is very handy when you're launching DirectX stuff like games that don't play nice when Sage is in sitting in FSE mode in the background.

Hmm, just thinking about your DVD burning plugin, isn't the burn process initiated by executing a link from the "Other Programs" menu ? I'm not sure if I would like Sage to exit in this case ...

What about a convention that if the name of the link ends with a certain suffix (e.g. "_x"), the STV code will exit Sage, otherwise it will go to sleep. This way you can configure the behavior separately for each program without touching the STV ...

Dirk

[RRSwan3]

Installation:


unzip the installation file into SageTV directory (e.g. C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV). Make sure to preserve the directory structure. This will copy df_sageutils.jar to JARs and sagemc_addon.xml to STVs\SageTV3 as well as some bitmaps to your STVs\SageMCE\Images directory.

restart SageTV (to pick up the new JAR files)
make a backup of your current STV file
import sagemc_addon.xml: Settings->Detailed Setup->Advanced->Import Custom STVi





Great work Flachbar! I love SageMC and your Addons are just the thing I've been missing. Only one thing though....After I unzipped the file preserving the directory structure then I go to import the custom STVi, and it's not listed. What gives? Anyone care to help? Thanks!

[evilpenguin]

The addons are in the file "sagemc_addon_0_4.xml", which I think will only show up in the lastest SageMC 16x9 dev build that supports XML files. You can get the latest dev build off the download page and load it by switching to windowed mode, pressing "shift+ctrl+f12" to launch studio, and selecting file->load STV->SageMC_16x9.xml.

flachbar- :thumb: I like that idea a bunch

[xlr8shun]

any plans to add more color coded categories in the epg?

im by far a novice studio user, but i have modified sagemc a bit with my own little touches and even a new album cover+artist sort method for music. and was thinking of seeing if i could add some color coding to other genres of programing. but i didnt start out with the intention of exporting my changes to stvi (something i wish i would have done, if not just for upgrade purposes) and after reading how to create an stvi, i can already tell its something that, at least right now, is way over my head.

however if its something you are working on in the future, i might just hold off.

[bobrap]

Just wanted to ask if there is something special that needs to be done to get this to work

"while in the Guide, pressing the 'Play' button on a channel will play the selected show in the preview window which allows for channel surfing without leaving the guide (property plugins/df/sagemc/play_in_guide)"

When I press play the video in the preview window stops. Also, if I select "unwatched" for recordings, my movies that have been watched still show up. Are there some settings I need to adjust? Thanks:)

[dflachbart]

Just wanted to ask if there is something special that needs to be done to get this to work

"while in the Guide, pressing the 'Play' button on a channel will play the selected show in the preview window which allows for channel surfing without leaving the guide (property plugins/df/sagemc/play_in_guide)"

When I press play the video in the preview window stops. Also, if I select "unwatched" for recordings, my movies that have been watched still show up. Are there some settings I need to adjust? Thanks:)

No, nothing else needed, and it works fine on my machine ... Did you update the plugin from an earlier version ? The only thing I can think of is that there is a bug in my re-import code which I didnt catch... Try to import the plugin into a clean SageMC_169.xml and see if this makes a difference.

Dirk

[bobrap]

My order of install:
SageMC16x9
SageMC16x9 Latest Dev Build
SageMC Addon v0.4

Are these the files I should be using? What about you're xml file, not the add-on? Thanks again for the help and work on this.:D

[dflachbart]

My order of install:
SageMC16x9
SageMC16x9 Latest Dev Build
SageMC Addon v0.4

Are these the files I should be using? What about you're xml file, not the add-on? Thanks again for the help and work on this.:D

My modification of SageMC_16x9.xml fixed a bug in SageMC which is not essential for the addon, but I would recommend to use it, so the ideal install order would be

SageMC16x9
SageMC_16x9.xml (fixed) (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156539&postcount=1832)
SageMC Addon v0.4


Dirk

[millers_35]

My modification of SageMC_16x9.xml fixed a bug in SageMC which is not essential for the addon, but I would recommend to use it, so the ideal install order would be

SageMC16x9
SageMC_16x9.xml (fixed) (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156539&postcount=1832)
SageMC Addon v0.4


Dirk

So in your instructions the "SageMC_16x9.xml (fixed) (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156539&postcount=1832)" would replace the latest_dev_build?

Love the addon's BTW!!!!!!! Sweet!!!!


Miller

[dflachbart]

So in your instructions the "SageMC_16x9.xml (fixed) (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156539&postcount=1832)" would replace the latest_dev_build?


Yes, exactly ...



Love the addon's BTW!!!!!!! Sweet!!!!
Miller

Thanks :)


Dirk

[bobrap]

Did a complete re-install of Sage. I noticed that the entry (property plugins/df/sagemc/play_in_guide) doesn't show in the properties file. If I add it I still can't get the preview to work and my watched movies still show in the "unwatched" list (different problem?). No biggie, just thought I'd pass it along. Thanks again:goodjob:

[dflachbart]

Did a complete re-install of Sage. I noticed that the entry (property plugins/df/sagemc/play_in_guide) doesn't show in the properties file. If I add it I still can't get the preview to work and my watched movies still show in the "unwatched" list (different problem?). No biggie, just thought I'd pass it along. Thanks again:goodjob:

I hope you meant re-install of SageMC16x9, right ? ;)

This is really weird that it still wouldn't work, if you want you can send me your STV file and I'll have a look ...

Dirk

[bobrap]

I hope you meant re-install of SageMC16x9, right ? ;)

This is really weird that it still wouldn't work, if you want you can send me your STV file and I'll have a look ...

Dirk

No, I re-installed the whole nine yards.:) What stv file should I send you and how? Thanks for checking.

[dflachbart]

No, I re-installed the whole nine yards.:)

That was definetly overkill ... :D



What stv file should I send you and how? Thanks for checking.

Check your PM ...

Dirk

[jelder]

First off, Dirk thanks for the updates to this STV. I just noticed a quirk/bug with the stv. I have a recording today that I modified the start time +2 hours and the end time +2 hours (it is for a hockey game that was not listed correctly in the EPG). On the original STV it shows correctly in the Scheduled recordings screen, on the SageMC stv it still shows the start and end times at the original time that was listed in the EPG.

Is this something you can fix?

Thanks again.

Jim

[dflachbart]

v0.5 is available here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=82), with the following additions/fixes:

- added year to movie titles in detail info
- added ability to exit sage after executing links in "Other Programs"
- series shows in subgroup ('Grouped' mode) are now sorted by original airing date
- fixed incorrectly sorted movie list when sort order was not "On Now"
- detailed recording times will only be reported in minutes when < 1 hr
- detailed recording times will also be reported when show airs the following day

Dirk

[dflachbart]

First off, Dirk thanks for the updates to this STV. I just noticed a quirk/bug with the stv. I have a recording today that I modified the start time +2 hours and the end time +2 hours (it is for a hockey game that was not listed correctly in the EPG). On the original STV it shows correctly in the Scheduled recordings screen, on the SageMC stv it still shows the start and end times at the original time that was listed in the EPG.

Is this something you can fix?

Thanks again.

Jim

Hi Jim,

do you mean that the original SageMC_16x9 STV is displaying it correctly (which would mean there is a bug in my plugin), or that it shows correctly in the default SageTV3 STV ?


Well, in either way I'll have a look if this is easy to fix ...

Dirk

[dflachbart]

any plans to add more color coded categories in the epg?

im by far a novice studio user, but i have modified sagemc a bit with my own little touches and even a new album cover+artist sort method for music. and was thinking of seeing if i could add some color coding to other genres of programing. but i didnt start out with the intention of exporting my changes to stvi (something i wish i would have done, if not just for upgrade purposes) and after reading how to create an stvi, i can already tell its something that, at least right now, is way over my head.

however if its something you are working on in the future, i might just hold off.

No promise, but I'll think about it ... ;)


Dirk

[jelder]

Hi Jim,

do you mean that the original SageMC_16x9 STV is displaying it correctly (which would mean there is a bug in my plugin), or that it shows correctly in the default SageTV3 STV ?


Well, in either way I'll have a look if this is easy to fix ...

Dirk


Just did some quick testing, and it shows correctly in the default SageTV3 STV, but it shows incorrectly on the original SageMC stv. So it is not your plugin :)

[Madcoder]

Hi. Can you please add a feature so that the "Movies" option from the My TV menu that shows you the movies will remember the last filter that was applied? It is quite annoying that everytime you go into that menu it wants to default to "on now," and I have to click it twice to go to "all upcoming," which is the filter I always would rather see. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care so much about movies that are "on now" anyway because I want to record and/or watch a movie from the beginning! So it would be more useful to default to "all upcoming" or even better if it would just remember the last setting you used.

[geogecko]

flachbar.

Some nice work you've done here.

Question. When I search by title for a show/movie, when I see the results, the shows/movies that do not have "More" out to the right, show a date of "12/31," but when I open up that show/movie for more details, I see the correct air date.

Any idea why that is? I don't recall seeing this happen before, but it has been a long time since I used the search. Anyone else seeing this?

[sagetvkid]

Nice job on the enhancements:clap:

....a minor issue...on Upcoming Recordings section, 3 1st run icons appear next to the titles..should it just be one?

Suggestion: Nice touch on Movies/Year; how about Movies/Star Ratings??

Thanks again for your efforts...

[dflachbart]

flachbar.

Some nice work you've done here.

Question. When I search by title for a show/movie, when I see the results, the shows/movies that do not have "More" out to the right, show a date of "12/31," but when I open up that show/movie for more details, I see the correct air date.

Any idea why that is? I don't recall seeing this happen before, but it has been a long time since I used the search. Anyone else seeing this?

Thx :)

Regarding your question, this looks like a bug. I'll try to fix this in the next release.


Dirk

[bobrap]

Gotta ask for some more help. Is there an easy way I can change where the cursor starts when I click on My TV. I rarely watch live TV and would like either Recorded TV on top or the cursor to highlight Recorded TV by default. I had a look at Studio and the common sense side said DON'T.:nono: Thought it better to just ask.:)

[dflachbart]

Gotta ask for some more help. Is there an easy way I can change where the cursor starts when I click on My TV. I rarely watch live TV and would like either Recorded TV on top or the cursor to highlight Recorded TV by default. I had a look at Studio and the common sense side said DON'T.:nono: Thought it better to just ask.:)

This is really easy in Studio, give it a try ! :D

- open up Studio with ctrl-F12
- scroll to the "My TV" menu
- click on the little pin so that it expands one level
- now expand "MainMenuContainer", you'll see "Watch TV, Recorded TV, Guide, etc"
- expand 'Watch TV"
- select the "DefaultFocus" widget and press Ctrl-x
- seletc the "Recorded TV" widget and press Ctrl-v, this will move the "Default" widget from one widget to the other
- select "Watch TV" again and press Ctrl-d, this will move the item down (dont worry if the icon collapses and becomes italic, this is ok ...)
- save the STV with "File/Save"

And voila, you're ready to go ... :)


Dirk

[bobrap]

Thanks Dirk. That was so easy it hurt:D :jump:

[Madcoder]

Hi. Can you please add a feature so that the "Movies" option from the My TV menu that shows you the movies will remember the last filter that was applied? It is quite annoying that everytime you go into that menu it wants to default to "on now," and I have to click it twice to go to "all upcoming," which is the filter I always would rather see. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care so much about movies that are "on now" anyway because I want to record and/or watch a movie from the beginning! So it would be more useful to default to "all upcoming" or even better if it would just remember the last setting you used.

Hi. I just changed the default in Studio, so disregard this request if you want!

[dflachbart]

Nice job on the enhancements:clap:

....a minor issue...on Upcoming Recordings section, 3 1st run icons appear next to the titles..should it just be one?



No, there should really be only one. Strange, never seen this one before ...

Can you do a clean import into SageMC_16x9.xml and see if this makes a difference (there was a re-import issue with v0.3) ? If not I'll have to dig deeper ...


Dirk

[dflachbart]

flachbar.

Question. When I search by title for a show/movie, when I see the results, the shows/movies that do not have "More" out to the right, show a date of "12/31," but when I open up that show/movie for more details, I see the correct air date.

Any idea why that is? I don't recall seeing this happen before, but it has been a long time since I used the search. Anyone else seeing this?

This bug is fixed, I'll upload a new version tomorrow ...


Dirk

[geogecko]

This bug is fixed, I'll upload a new version tomorrow ...


Dirk

Cool, thanks Dirk. Also noticed it today in the "Recordings" section...

Thanks for your hard work. :D

[awhiteguy]

Dirk,

Thanks! This is all great stuff and I'm sure all the SageMC users appreciate your efforts as I do. So my question to everyone is why don't we** just put all this stuff into the latest dev build of SageMC? MLBdude has already told us that he doesn't have time and wouldn't be offended if others contributed to the project. I think it would be a great way to continue improving this great STV. It would also be easier to keep up with updates and reinstalls that way. Any thoughts?

Austin

** I say "we" loosely since I wouldn't have the first clue how to do this. :)

[marneb17]

Aloha,
the grouped filter doesn't work on my mvp's, but it does work on my client. The same problem was mentioned earlier, but no solution was mentioned.

Thx,

Marneb

[dflachbart]

Aloha,
the grouped filter doesn't work on my mvp's, but it does work on my client. The same problem was mentioned earlier, but no solution was mentioned.

Thx,

Marneb

Hi Marneb,

I cant think of any reason why it would work on the client but not on the MVP. Unfortunately I do not have a MVP, so there is no way for me to debug this ... :(
Question: is there *anyone* for which this works on a MVP ?

Dirk

[jelder]

In order to get this to work on the MVP you need (on the MVP) to go to Settings/Detailed Setup/Advanced/ and select the SageMC_169-1.xml stv file.

At least that is how it fixed mine.

Jim

[dflachbart]

I uploaded v0.6 (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=82)

Changes:

- added custom coloring for all categories in the EPG
- added star rating to movie titles
- fixed incorrect 12/31 dates


Enjoy,

Dirk

[MeInMaui]

Dirk,

All these improvements are great. For the longest time SageTV was just boring old reliable. Now things are getting fun. (My wife just shakes her head, but secretly she likes it too) Thanks for all the hard work and for taking our suggestions. If you ever come out to Maui, I'll buy you a beer.

Mike

[geogecko]

Thank you Dirk. Works wonderfully now.

[dflachbart]

Dirk,

If you ever come out to Maui, I'll buy you a beer.

Mike

Thanks Mike,

I will take you up on that ... :goodjob:
:D

Dirk

[MeInMaui]

Dirk,

After seeing your replacement first run icon, I started to think that changing out the others to something more in keeping with the MC theme might be kinda cool. As an example I threw together this replacement for the watched icon just to test the waters. I am a complete novice at photoshop, but after a while I can usually get things looking ok. If you like the idea, I could make up some others.

Aloha,
Mike

[sagetvkid]

No, there should really be only one. Strange, never seen this one before ...

Can you do a clean import into SageMC_16x9.xml and see if this makes a difference (there was a re-import issue with v0.3) ? If not I'll have to dig deeper ...


Dirk

Did a clean import into SageMc_16x9 with v0.6...got rid of the duplicate 1st run icons but now I do not get the colored grids on my tv guide:confused:

Edit: Got it working again..all is fine..thank you for the Star Ratings!!!

[snoopy]

NICE JOB with this add-on
I am finally comfortable enough to actually try SageMC with the wife. I always thought SageMC had a need for some additions and now it has them. It has been a long time since I have messed with changing SageTV at all but I saw 5 comming out and just couldn't help myself. I requested the changes you implemented with the developer of SageMC long ago and got nowhere, but now you added them to my favorite STV. What a great thing.

If I could add my 2 cents again as I did with the developer of SageMC, I would request the little tiki sounds that are found so neatly nested inside Meekel's STV. They are really nice and would truely turn this little jewel into the diamond I knew it always could be.

Thanks for such a great job Flach in adding to this great work. You're awesome!

[snoopy]

OH, can we say almost!

Well this is kind of a sticking point for me but I suppose I can live without it. I would really like the ability to manage conflicts as I have been with the conflict resolution marks always at the top so that I always know where/when a conflict exists. I kindof got into resolving them over time and had fine tuned my experience. Is there any way to add this back in?

Note also that DVDs never well played well in SageTV and still dont.

[MeInMaui]

Hi Dirk,

I want to start off by saying that I hope I'm not stepping on your toes. I'd like to contribute a little instead of just being a leach. So... if you like these please feel free to include them with your addons. If you don't, then please accept my apologies in advance.

I messed around with photoshop some more and generated some additional replacement icons. I improved the first one that I posted as well. Hope you like them.

Mike

[dflachbart]

Hi Dirk,

I want to start off by saying that I hope I'm not stepping on your toes. I'd like to contribute a little instead of just being a leach. So... if you like these please feel free to include them with your addons. If you don't, then please accept my apologies in advance.



Hi Mike,

not at all ... :) Haven't had a chance to install them to see how they look on my TV (I know I like the 'Watched' icon already), but I will definetly include them in my zip file so that people can pick the icons they like the most...

Thanks for the contribution,

Dirk

[dflachbart]

Thanks for the kind words ... :)


I would request the little tiki sounds that are found so neatly nested inside Meekel's STV.


I never used Meekel's STV, so I dont really know anything about these sounds. Couldn't you get close by replacing the SageMC sound files withe the Meekel ones ? Well, I personally don't like any STV sounds (I have them disabled in SageMC), so I definetly don't have any plans to add code to SageMC to play additional sounds, sorry ...


OH, can we say almost!

Well this is kind of a sticking point for me but I suppose I can live without it. I would really like the ability to manage conflicts as I have been with the conflict resolution marks always at the top so that I always know where/when a conflict exists. I kindof got into resolving them over time and had fine tuned my experience. Is there any way to add this back in?


If it is only a matter of adding the "Unresolved Conflicts" icon to the menu pages, I guess this could be done ...



Note also that DVDs never well played well in SageTV and still dont.


I don't play DVDs withs Sage, but I would think if there are problems that it would be a core issue and nothing a plugin could resolve ...


Dirk

[geogecko]

Hi Dirk,

I want to start off by saying that I hope I'm not stepping on your toes. I'd like to contribute a little instead of just being a leach. So... if you like these please feel free to include them with your addons. If you don't, then please accept my apologies in advance.

I messed around with photoshop some more and generated some additional replacement icons. I improved the first one that I posted as well. Hope you like them.

Mike

Just added them to my show icons. Keep up the good work! :)

How about a round locked and don't like icons?

[MeInMaui]

Dirk,

The icons were fun to make. If there are any other graphics elements you'd like to add/replace let me know. I'd be happy to try to help out any way I can.

Mike

[dflachbart]

Hi guys,

I decided to put he plugin to rest and incorporate the features into the SageMC STV. I worked on a few new features over the last days which I wanted to make available, but I am now at a point where the additional overhead of writing and testing the import code becomes too time consuming, and a real PITA ... ;)

So I talked to mlbdude, and he is absolutely fine with me putting a new dev build together into which any future features and fixes will be added, and once he's back on track he will take over again. No promises for new features from my side (I'm pretty much satisfied with the current status), but little stuff should be possible...

Since the new STV doesnt really fit into the "STVi imports" category any more I set up a new download in the 'STV' section. The STV download contains the latest STV file, the sample images from the plugin, and a collection of new show icons which MeInMaui contributed to the community (thanks :) ). To install them unzip the separate zip file into the STV3/SageMC/Images directory.


Ok, now to the changes in the new version:


after stopping a media file playback, SageMC will now go back to the last menu instead of always going to the Main menu (property "plugins/df/sagemc/back_on_stop"

the "My Menu" menu title can be renamed through a property ("plugins/df/sagemc/mymenu_name")

leaving the detailed setup menu with "Left" (when using 'left_as_back') now possible

added 'Unresolved Recording Conflict' icon to main menus (property "plugins/df/sagemc/show_conflict_icon"_ - Note: this is *disabled* by default, set it to 'true' if you want it to be displayed)

incorporated changes suggested by nielm for integrating his RSS plugin

fixed bug where deleted show still showed up in subgroup listing




The STV can be downloaded here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84)


Dirk

[kricker]

Any chance of getting filters within the "grouped" recordings? My wife has 54...yes 54 episodes of "Divine Design". She would like to be able to use the filters within this list.

[JUC]

Good news about the updates!! Thanks. One request (and I'm not even sure if you are taking them) but is there anyway to increase the size of the preview window? I remember mlbdude saying way back that it was difficult because he wanted to keep the preview the same size for each screen. After looking at it--it appears it can go bigger without interfering. I'm assuming this is a studio issue and if someone can point me in the right direction I can have a go at it. Or if others have already done this--please let me know how you did it. I'm hoping that if there is interest--it would not be a big deal for someone skilled in studio to quickly do.
Thanks
JUC

[dflachbart]

Any chance of getting filters within the "grouped" recordings? My wife has 54...yes 54 episodes of "Divine Design". She would like to be able to use the filters within this list.

Hi kricker,

if you set the filter to "Unwatched" on the Recorded TV page and then go into the group screen, only watched shows should be shown ... Do you mean you want to have a separate "No Filter" / "Unwatched" button on this screen ?


Dirk

[dflachbart]

Good news about the updates!! Thanks. One request (and I'm not even sure if you are taking them) but is there anyway to increase the size of the preview window? I remember mlbdude saying way back that it was difficult because he wanted to keep the preview the same size for each screen. After looking at it--it appears it can go bigger without interfering. I'm assuming this is a studio issue and if someone can point me in the right direction I can have a go at it. Or if others have already done this--please let me know how you did it. I'm hoping that if there is interest--it would not be a big deal for someone skilled in studio to quickly do.
Thanks
JUC

Actually, this is one feature I wanted to look into sooner or later ... :) I already wrote a "Larger Video Preview" back when I was using the standard STV because I wasnt satisfied with the size, and now using SageMC it' starting to nag me again ... ;) Not sure if and how much will be possible, but I'll have a look at it.

Dirk

[Jason]

Good news about the updates!! Thanks. One request (and I'm not even sure if you are taking them) but is...

JUC

My request would be for an .STV version for SageMC... With all the great changes that you are doing, it may be hard for folks to keep up... If an .stv version were added to the info screen, then we would all know which version we were using as opposed to 'use the latest version...' statements.

:-)

-Jason

[dflachbart]

My request would be for an .STV version for SageMC... With all the great changes that you are doing, it may be hard for folks to keep up... If an .stv version were added to the info screen, then we would all know which version we were using as opposed to 'use the latest version...' statements.

:-)

-Jason

Jason,

excellent idea ! :)


Dirk

[kricker]

Hi kricker,

if you set the filter to "Unwatched" on the Recorded TV page and then go into the group screen, only watched shows should be shown ... Do you mean you want to have a separate "No Filter" / "Unwatched" button on this screen ?


DirkYes, I think it would be good to have all the filter options available in the "group" screens as well. It seems a bit silly to have to go back a screen to choose a filter.

[Madcoder]

AHHHHH. Well, you have already decided to go the STV route, but let me just say that I would MUCH prefer an import. SIGH, now every time you make an update, I will need to reimport, and remodify MANY things with Studio since there are so many other things I have done. This represents so much time that I will not take any new updates you do very often at all. I would be practically willing to pay you to keep this as an import. Am I the ONLY one that has this situation???

:(

[BobPhoenix]

AHHHHH. Well, you have already decided to go the STV route, but let me just say that I would MUCH prefer an import. SIGH, now every time you make an update, I will need to reimport, and remodify MANY things with Studio since there are so many other things I have done. This represents so much time that I will not take any new updates you do very often at all. I would be practically willing to pay you to keep this as an import. Am I the ONLY one that has this situation???

:(

I don't know how many changes you have made but you could put your changes in an import and then you would only have to import that when a new version is released. There are utilities that have been release to aid in this including flachbar's (http://forums.freytechnologies.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=75).

BobP.

[dflachbart]

AHHHHH. Well, you have already decided to go the STV route, but let me just say that I would MUCH prefer an import. SIGH, now every time you make an update, I will need to reimport, and remodify MANY things with Studio since there are so many other things I have done. This represents so much time that I will not take any new updates you do very often at all. I would be practically willing to pay you to keep this as an import. Am I the ONLY one that has this situation???

:(

Hi Madcoder,

I am sorry, I was afraid that abandoning the import would not be the best choice for everyone, but I had to weigh the pros and cons for me. Now that I got the green light from mlbdude to update the STV, saving a really *great* amount of time by not having to deal with the import code any more was just a no-brainer. And I am talking about 5 minutes of work on the STV versa 1 hour on the plugin, which includes additional import coding and, most of all, testing of the import code ...

I also have a few modifications of my own which are not part of the published STV, so I spent the time to write an import for them as well so that I can reapply them easily each time the STV gets updated. As BobP already mentioned, I have written an Import Utility library for exactly this purpose, to ease this task. It still takes a lot of time to write an import, but I think the lib makes it much easier, and it's a one-time thing. And for your own personal imports you dont even have to worry about cleanup and re-import ability, which will reduce the time significantly. I can offer you assistance if you plan to create an import for your modifications ...

Dirk

[JUC]

Actually, this is one feature I wanted to look into sooner or later ... :) I already wrote a "Larger Video Preview" back when I was using the standard STV because I wasnt satisfied with the size, and now using SageMC it' starting to nag me again ... ;) Not sure if and how much will be possible, but I'll have a look at it.

Dirk


:clap: Thanks! Keep em coming.
JUC

[bobrap]

Would it be possible to show which tuner a show is going to be recorded on? I liked that feature when I was using the standard STV and this import "Jump Directly to Detailed Info". It showed a little icon with the tuner number for the show to be recorded. Also, wondered if it is real hard to change what screen you go back to. For instance, when you play a recorded show, hit stop twice it takes you to My TV instead of the last menu or main menu. Thanks again for the great work.:goodjob: :thumb:

[dflachbart]

Also, wondered if it is real hard to change what screen you go back to. For instance, when you play a recorded show, hit stop twice it takes you to My TV instead of the last menu or main menu.

Not any more ... :)
This was one of the new features of v6_0


Dirk

[MeInMaui]

Originally posted by geogecko
How about a round locked and don't like icons?
geogecko,

I have updated the round showicons collection with the requested locked and don't like icons in the attached file. I hope you like them.

flachbar,

I am loving these addons, thanks for the continued hard work!

Mike

[bobrap]

Dirk, any chance you can give a quick how to? Are all of the entries that go under plugins supposed to be in the properties files automatically or do you have to add some manually? And I guess the idea of a tuner marker is a no go.:(

[dflachbart]

Dirk, any chance you can give a quick how to? Are all of the entries that go under plugins supposed to be in the properties files automatically or do you have to add some manually?


All features (except the conflict icon) are enabled by default, so you only have to edit the property file if you want to disable something. When you load the STV the very first time the properties won't be in the file yet (though they are effective), and they will get added as soon as you exit Sage. I'll put a reference list together once I'll find some time, and geogecko could add it to his documentation project... ;)



And I guess the idea of a tuner marker is a no go.:(


Note that if I don't reply to a particular request or idea it doesn't necessarily mean that I am not interested in implementing it ... ;) But since I posted the STV I am starting to get flooded with new requests, and it'll be impossible for me to (and neither want to) honor all of them, so I might keep quiet off and on. Everyone is welcome to throw ideas out here - whether they wind up in my todo list or not at any time will most likely only depend on whether I would like to use it too ...

Btw, the tuner markers might have a good chance (provided it's easy enough), since I was using the STVi you mentioned too before I switched to SageMC ... :)

Dirk

[bobrap]

Thanks Dirk, I really appreciate your work and also how much your "can you do this for me" list keeps growing. Anything you can add when you find the time is "gravy". Sorry if I bug you too much with requests, but as I was always told, "Don't know til you ask":D Just wish I had some programming skills to offer. Thaks again for the great work.:thumb:

[geogecko]

Hmm...maybe while I'm documenting the properties listings, I should create another list of Dirk's ToDo list, no? ;) :eek: :rofl:

[dflachbart]

Yes, I think it would be good to have all the filter options available in the "group" screens as well. It seems a bit silly to have to go back a screen to choose a filter.

I looked into this (I like the suggestion), and here's the deal: the best I can do is to show a Filter button if and only if the filter in the main "Recorded TV" is set to "All". So you can reduce the number of shows displayed in the subgroup, but you won't be able to show more if a filter has already been set. To achieve this a complete redesign of this screen (which is reused by other modules as well) would be necessary, and I really dont want to go that far ... ;)


Dirk

[dflachbart]

Hmm...maybe while I'm documenting the properties listings, I should create another list of Dirk's ToDo list, no? ;) :eek: :rofl:

Dont you dare ... :D :rofl:

[kricker]

I looked into this (I like the suggestion), and here's the deal: the best I can do is to show a Filter button if and only if the filter in the main "Recorded TV" is set to "All". So you can reduce the number of shows displayed in the subgroup, but you won't be able to show more if a filter has already been set. To achieve this a complete redesign of this screen (which is reused by other modules as well) would be necessary, and I really dont want to go that far ... ;)


DirkI'll take what I can get ;). If I knew how to design those screens I'd be happy to do them all....but alas I do not and therefore I am useless.

[dflachbart]

I just uploaded Version 6.2 here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84)

Changes since 6.0:

- added STV version info to Settings screen

- added filter All/Watched/Archived to subgroup screen

- made view filter All/Conflicts sticky on Schedule screen.

Setting the filter sticky works the same way as the Filter on the RecordedTV page: choose a filter, open the options menu, and set it as the default view

- made view filter On Now/Up Next/All Upcoming sticky on Movies screen (same as above)

- the show titles and descriptions can now be shortened for 4x3 users by setting the properties "plugins/df/sagemc/title_corr_4x3" and "plugins/df/sagemc/desc_corr_4x3".

The values specify the number of characters the standard maximum length will be shortened. You'll have to experiment, but on my TV values of 12 and 24 fit for almost all shows. I know it's not an optimal solution since it is not taking the actual number of displayed icons into account, but this was easy enough to implement in a short time.

- added an encoder number indicator to the show descriptions (encoder used for recordings as well as scheduled shows)

The icons used are EncoderMarker1.png to EncoderMarker9.png in SageMC/Images, which can be replaced if you want to use different ones. The feature can be disabled by setting "plugins/df/sagemc/encoder_icons" to false

Dirk

[geogecko]

Nice job. Added the properties listing to my file. I probably won't have a complete properties listing for a while, but will probably post it in a couple weeks (I'll be out of town on business the week after next.)

It's in Excel, for sorting reasons, and I was going to make it a JPG file, but it would be easier for someone to copy lines if it was saved as a TXT file, so I'll probably do that instead.

[dflachbart]

Nice job. Added the properties listing to my file. I probably won't have a complete properties listing for a while, but will probably post it in a couple weeks (I'll be out of town on business the week after next.)

It's in Excel, for sorting reasons, and I was going to make it a JPG file, but it would be easier for someone to copy lines if it was saved as a TXT file, so I'll probably do that instead.

Cool ... :thumb:
If you want you you can send me the Excel file and I'll have a look at all the settings I added and make sure they are up-to-date ...

Dirk

[geogecko]

Sure, here you go. Others can also take a look, just in case they are getting started too. :jump:

Still got a lot of work to do on all the descriptions...

[bobrap]

I've noticed that the properties seem to have been divided between sage.properties and sageclient.properties. Does one file have precedence over the other and should I copy all the proerties from one file to the other. Great work guys!:goodjob: :thumb: :clap: :jump:

[snoopy]

The first run, watched, etc. icons are fairly small for me particularly in the guide. On other screens these icons are a little more readable and have a very nice design, but in the guide they are super small as opposed to the way they appear on the "sagetv recordings" screen for instance. I wonder if it's posssible to enlarge the little first run, watched, etc icons to use the maximum available space in the guide as they almost do on other screens?

[snoopy]

we are certainly getting closer here to better conflict management.
now the icons show up on each main page... problem is it's always red.

In the main (severely handicapped ) SageTV stv, you always had the ability to clear the conflicts and get a green checkmark. Currently, if a conflict exists, SageTV cannot any longer be told it is OK anymore. Is there any way to add that back in to the add-on? Previously, I could also say yes to "ok not to record" and it also (just like saying yes to one show over another) would change the red to green.

This original ability was truely a remarkable design IMHO. While I found it a tad confusing at first, it didn't really come into play until I had alot to record. By then I was willing to understand. I used it like a red light=STOP/green light=GO. Red exclaimation mark meant "Conflicts need a resolution". Green check meant "conflicts have either been resolved OR they are OK as they exist". Currently green light would mean that conflicts have been completely resolved and do not exist. This hardly ever happens for us, therefore; even though we have gone through the conflicts, I can't ever get a green light anymore as I can with the otherwise handicapped main stv.

[kricker]

we are certainly getting closer here to better conflict management.
now the icons show up on each main page... problem is it's always red.

In the main (severely handicapped ) SageTV stv, you always had the ability to clear the conflicts and get a green checkmark. Currently, if a conflict exists, SageTV cannot any longer be told it is OK anymore. Is there any way to add that back in to the add-on? Previously, I could also say yes to "ok not to record" and it also (just like saying yes to one show over another) would change the red to green.

This original ability was truely a remarkable design IMHO. While I found it a tad confusing at first, it didn't really come into play until I had alot to record. By then I was willing to understand. I used it like a red light=STOP/green light=GO. Red exclaimation mark meant "Conflicts need a resolution". Green check meant "conflicts have either been resolved OR they are OK as they exist". Currently green light would mean that conflicts have been completely resolved and do not exist. This hardly ever happens for us, therefore; even though we have gone through the conflicts, I can't ever get a green light anymore as I can with the otherwise handicapped main stv.I second this request and slight frustration.

[geogecko]

I've noticed that the properties seem to have been divided between sage.properties and sageclient.properties. Does one file have precedence over the other and should I copy all the proerties from one file to the other. Great work guys!:goodjob: :thumb: :clap: :jump:

Depends on how you are using SageTV. Are you using service mode? If not, then only sage.properties gets used by the main (or only) computer. If running clients, then they will use the sageclient.properties file. If running service mode, then the service uses sage.properties, and the GUI on that same machine uses sageclient.properties.

I use a program called ExamDiff (free file difference tool) to compare my sage.properties to my sageclient.properties. I try and basically keep them the same, at least, as far as enabling and disabling go, keeping DVD positions and what not is not really needed. The nice thing about that tool, is if that is all you use it for, it remembers the last two files it looked at...

[bobrap]

Depends on how you are using SageTV. Are you using service mode? If not, then only sage.properties gets used by the main (or only) computer. If running clients, then they will use the sageclient.properties file. If running service mode, then the service uses sage.properties, and the GUI on that same machine uses sageclient.properties.

I use a program called ExamDiff (free file difference tool) to compare my sage.properties to my sageclient.properties. I try and basically keep them the same, at least, as far as enabling and disabling go, keeping DVD positions and what not is not really needed. The nice thing about that tool, is if that is all you use it for, it remembers the last two files it looked at...
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Appreciate it, takes away some of my confusion.:)

[geogecko]

Not a problem. It took me a while to sort out my confusion as well. Basically, before I started using SageTV as a service, I just copied my sage.properties, and renamed the copy to sageclient.properties.

Once in a while, I go compare them again with that utility, because sometimes they get out of sync.

[dflachbart]

I just uploaded Version 6.3 with the following new features:

1. Settings menu

I added a new 'Settings' menu which allows to view and change all addon feature settings within SageMC, so no need to dig into the property file any more. The new menu has also an (almost empty) subscreen for the standard SageMC settings, I will try to include those settings too at some point in the future (geogeckos list will be quite helpful). I couldnt find a good place for the new menu, so I added it to 'Detailed Setup/Advanced' as the last item. If you use 'My Menu', you can also link to the internal screen 'SageMC Options'.

I also modified the somehow obsolete setting names (they all are now saved with "sagemc/..."), so I would recommend to exit Sage after the install and remove all "plugins/df/sagemc/*" settings from the property file just to clean it up.

2. Larger video preview window

Added an option to show a larger video preview window (default=disabled). To make the best out of the available real estate, I had to remove the green pane behind the video window (for selection). You can configure the larger window only for the Guide or for all menu screens

3. Series premieres filter

Added a 'Series Premieres' filter to the schedule filter button (default=disabled). This will show a list of all upcoming series premieres as in the secret extra V5 UI features

4. Updating Title Search

Added ability to choose an alternative 'Title Search' page (also used for adding series by title) which updates the search results on the fly (default=enabled)

Download here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84)

Enjoy,
Dirk

[geogecko]

Hey. Really nice features, especially the properties integration. Is there any way to have the selection pane on the larger preview window, without showing it? It will not allow you to select the preview window to go back to what you were watching.

Love the Premiere filter, and the search results on the fly.

Man, all nice new features.

Thanks!

[bobrap]

I'll second that!!:thumb:

[technazz]

Yes.. Good work!

Adding features and keeping it simple! I like the properties editor, it makes it easier to test and read up on the changes without searching through the several threads.

I agree I would like to be able to select the preview window as it has become a habit.

Technazz

[itons]

many thanks flachbar for the premieres option!!!!

[geogecko]

Yes.. Good work!

Adding features and keeping it simple! I like the properties editor, it makes it easier to test and read up on the changes without searching through the several threads.
Technazz

No kidding, plus, you don't have to wait until a show is done recording, so that you can close Sage down, and edit the properties file!

Very nice.

Did I say how much I liked the premieres option?

:clap: :clap: and a :jump:

[dflachbart]

No kidding, plus, you don't have to wait until a show is done recording, so that you can close Sage down, and edit the properties file!

Very nice.

Did I say how much I liked the premieres option?

:clap: :clap: and a :jump:

Nice to hear .. :)

[kricker]

1st and foremost thank you very much. SageMC has become so much better so quickly!

The settings menu is so very nice! Can the show encoder setting be added?

It is confusing the wife when she sees the blue circle 1, she thinks that means it is a 1st run. I turned it off in the properties file before I upgraded, but it is back. I can do it that way again though.

[dflachbart]

1st and foremost thank you very much. SageMC has become so much better so quickly!

The settings menu is so very nice! Can the show encoder setting be added?

It is confusing the wife when she sees the blue circle 1, she thinks that means it is a 1st run. I turned it off in the properties file before I upgraded, but it is back. I can do it that way again though.

Didnt notice, must have missed this one ... :) Will post an update tonight.

And of course, you could always change the encoder icons, maybe showing A,B,C instead of 1,2,3 ... :D

[kricker]

cool thanks. I only have one encoder right now :( , so I just need to turn it off.

[pjwerdna]

I just uploaded Version 6.3 with the following new features:

Enjoy,
Dirk

Very nice. Finally got round to trying this instead of my modified version.
A few more tweaks and it will be perfect.

FYI I think you can fix the wrapping of the program info on the recorded TV screen as follows.
1. Change the properties of the text by unticking "Shrink to fit"
2. Fix the hieght of the episode panel (0.55 seems to work for me)
3. Remove the substring(...) statements that limit the size of the episode description. (or set desc_corr_4x3 to a big -ve value)

PS Can you add the mlbdude/guide_black_text to the SageMCE settings section?
Oh and an option to get rid of the channel numbers on the guide woudl be nice as well. I never use tham so they just take up space that coudl be used by the channel name.

[dflachbart]

The settings menu is so very nice! Can the show encoder setting be added?


Hmm, I just checked, and the Encoder icons setting is already in there, the second item from the top ... Or is it not ? :)

Dirk

[kricker]

Hmm, I just checked, and the Encoder icons setting is already in there, the second item from the top ... Or is it not ? :)

Dirk
I might have skipped it, I'll check.

Sorry, my fault it is there. I actually overlooked the whole 1st bunch of options somehow. I blame it on being late and a screaming 10 week old.

[blade]

I don't know if this could be done with the add on or not, but I wish the commercial skip in SageMC worked like the comskip stvi does. When you press the custom 4 button to jump back to the start of a break comskip is disabled for something like 12 seconds. This is great if part of the show was incorrectly marked as a commercial. You can watch the part of the show that was mismarked with one press of a button.

SageMC doesn't temporarily disable the skipping. So when you try to jump back it automatically jumps forward again. You have to open the menu and disable autoskipping, jump back, and then re-enable it once you've finished watching the incorrectly marked part of the show.

[Jason]

...I blame it on being late and a screaming 10 week old.

:rofl: :rofl:

Thank god mine are quite a bit oolder now! Look at it this way... When they get old enough to get out of diapers... you get a defacto pay raise!

-Jason

[Jason]

I don't know if this could be done with the add on or not, but I wish the commercial skip in SageMC worked like the comskip stvi does. When you press the custom 4 button to jump back to the start of a break comskip is disabled for something like 12 seconds. This is great if part of the show was incorrectly marked as a commercial. You can watch the part of the show that was mismarked with one press of a button.

SageMC doesn't temporarily disable the skipping. So when you try to jump back it automatically jumps forward again. You have to open the menu and disable autoskipping, jump back, and then re-enable it once you've finished watching the incorrectly marked part of the show.

If I remember correctly, the source that mlbdude used, was based off of the 'older' versions of the comskip data. I am not sure how hard it would be, but using the import as a source to import the newer code would work... I am referring to using Studio to replace the code as opposed to 'imprting' the stvi.

-Jason

[dflachbart]

If I remember correctly, the source that mlbdude used, was based off of the 'older' versions of the comskip data. I am not sure how hard it would be, but using the import as a source to import the newer code would work... I am referring to using Studio to replace the code as opposed to 'imprting' the stvi.

-Jason

Maybe at some point in the future I will try to go through all the old comskip code in the STV, but for now I will add the 12 second break in the next version ...

Dirk

[dflachbart]

:rofl: :rofl:

Thank god mine are quite a bit oolder now! Look at it this way... When they get old enough to get out of diapers... you get a defacto pay raise!

-Jason

Yeah, but only until they start asking for allowance ... :D

[MeInMaui]

I'm just waiting for mine to start asking for upgrades. At almost 2.5 years old he already has his own computer. (What have I done?!?!?)

I can just see it now....

Dad, I realllly need a new GeForce 9800 Ultra Extreme.....Pleeeeease.....

I need it to run the new Fully 3D animated SageMC interface that flachbar just released.

:eek:

Mike

[kricker]

Yeah, but only until they start asking for allowance ... :D
HA good one!

[sagetvkid]

Very nice. Finally got round to trying this instead of my modified version.
A few more tweaks and it will be perfect.

FYI I think you can fix the wrapping of the program info on the recorded TV screen as follows.
1. Change the properties of the text by unticking "Shrink to fit"
2. Fix the hieght of the episode panel (0.55 seems to work for me)
3. Remove the substring(...) statements that limit the size of the episode description. (or set desc_corr_4x3 to a big -ve value)

PS Can you add the mlbdude/guide_black_text to the SageMCE settings section?
Oh and an option to get rid of the channel numbers on the guide woudl be nice as well. I never use tham so they just take up space that coudl be used by the channel name.

Are you talking about the bottom program info screen on the recorded TV screen?
I am having a hard time finding the settings to this panel and in the movies screens..
I am assuming this is what you are talking about..can you provide more detailed info?

[pjwerdna]

Are you talking about the bottom program info screen on the recorded TV screen?
Yes thats the one.
I am having a hard time finding the settings to this panel and in the movies screens..
Erm!
Go to that screen in Sage, then choose "UI Components" from the Debug menu in Studio. Then select each "Info" in the UI Components windows until the bit you want gets hilighted. (I found it was the first in the list) Then Right Click on it and select "Highlight Widget" (image attached showing where I ended up)

[dflachbart]

Are you talking about the bottom program info screen on the recorded TV screen?
I am having a hard time finding the settings to this panel and in the movies screens..
I am assuming this is what you are talking about..can you provide more detailed info?

You might want to hold on and save yourself the hassle, this will be incorporated into the next version (which I will probably upload tonight ...) :)

Dirk

[dflachbart]

Very nice. Finally got round to trying this instead of my modified version.
A few more tweaks and it will be perfect.

FYI I think you can fix the wrapping of the program info on the recorded TV screen as follows.
1. Change the properties of the text by unticking "Shrink to fit"
2. Fix the hieght of the episode panel (0.55 seems to work for me)
3. Remove the substring(...) statements that limit the size of the episode description. (or set desc_corr_4x3 to a big -ve value)

.

Thanks !
Very nice, this will save me some trial and error. Though the desc_corr setting was working for me in most of the cases, there were still some shows where the wrapping occured. Your solution will eliminate the problem completely, and make the desc_setting obsolete ...

You'll get some reward ... :D

Dirk

[geogecko]

OT:

Wow, have you all noticed all the themes you can get for Firefox? That is just amazing. Some of them are really good.

Back OT:

I've always wondered why we (Sage) has a hard time getting people to do good themes (no offense to SageMC or others, but MediaPortal seems to have a ton of people making cool themes).

I'm glad that at least MIM is coming up with some good icons.

[dflachbart]

Version 6.4 can be downloaded here
(http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84)
Changes:

selectable preview window

I did not succeed in restoring the selectable pane behind the preview window for the bigger size, but I found an alternative in making the show title below the window selectable. Hope this suits everyone...


no more wrapping in program info

Thanks to a suggestion from pjwerdna, I fixed the wrapping issue in the program description for good. The setting desc_corr_4x3 is not needed any more


external show id

You can now display the show id with the 'info' button (or key) in the program info screen. The button works as a toggle.


comskip fix

I added the 12 second autoskip wait after skipping backwards (which is part of the new comskip code). See blade's post above for details


mimic std STV conflict behavior

First please note: this is *not* a full implemetation of the functionality which can be found in the standard STV, and I don't think it will ever be, but maybe it will be a little help for those who were asking about this in the past ...

All I added is a change of the behavior when you resolve a conflict by selecting "Record this show one time instead of the favorite ..." which will now result in a 'resolved conflict' like in the std STV, indicated by the green checkmark icon. Note that the canceled recording can *not* be found in the Conflict screen any longer, once you resolved the conflict the green icon is the only indication of the past conflict.

This additional functionality is disabled by default.


other changes

- basic configuration options (almost) complete
- added option to remove channel numbers in EPG

Dirk

[MeInMaui]

Dirk,

Everything is looking really good! I think I just found a strange interaction, though. I don't know where the problem lies, but when BobPhoenix's Favorite Channel Lists import is installed with either SageMC 6.3 and 6.4, the guide button ceases to function within the guide screen. This occurs whether or not guide toggle is enabled. The guide button works to enter the screen but then doesn't respond at all. It isn't a big deal for me, I just won't load the FCL plugin, but I thought I'd mention it.

Also, I'll whip up a round resolved conflict show icon as soon as I get a chance.

Aloha,
Mike

[Jason]

Yeah, but only until they start asking for allowance ... :D

Ahhhh... that's been for some time now... almost to the point that I took it for granted... kind of like diapers...:nono:

-Jason

[dflachbart]

Dirk,

Everything is looking really good! I think I just found a strange interaction, though. I don't know where the problem lies, but when BobPhoenix's Favorite Channel Lists import is installed with either SageMC 6.3 and 6.4, the guide button ceases to function within the guide screen. This occurs whether or not guide toggle is enabled. The guide button works to enter the screen but then doesn't respond at all. It isn't a big deal for me, I just won't load the FCL plugin, but I thought I'd mention it.

Also, I'll whip up a round resolved conflict show icon as soon as I get a chance.

Aloha,
Mike

Didn't even know that this plugin works in SageMC... :)

I looked through the code, and Bob and I were both messing with the same listener widget ... ;) Was easy to fix, the guide toggle should work again if you configure the Channle List import to use the custom buttons instead of the Guide button...

Dirk

[BobPhoenix]

Didn't even know that this plugin works in SageMC... :)

I looked through the code, and Bob and I were both messing with the same listener widget ... ;) Was easy to fix, the guide toggle should work again if you configure the Channle List import to use the custom buttons instead of the Guide button...

Dirk

I figured this was going to be a problem I just hadn't had time to look at the possibility yet. I will include the changes in the next version when I get feedback on how well the regular STV version works.

BobP.

[src666]

I've run into a couple of problems with this new SageMC setup. First, just let me preface my remarks by saying I haven't really used SageMC before due to a WAF issue (my girlfriend learned the original interface, and wasn't interested in learning the new one). But I'm probably going to force the issue now, especially with the DVD burning option available.

My first problem is the animations. They seem to run off the same event timer as some other UI code (such as the media player timer), and this causes them to act oddly. For example, I was playing a song and when I clicked on another song, the popup box grew in 1 second increments. Everytime the media player timer ticked, the box grew in size. When I wasn't playing a song, it didn't grow at all unless I started sending commands with the remote. By repeatedly sending navigation commands (up/down arrow), I could "single step" through the popup animation. I noticed this effect in a few other areas as well.

Second, the STV Import option doesn't recognize STVi files. I'm not sure if this is by design or due to this code just not being looked at. CORRECTION: It only seems to recognize XML files - STV and STVi are ignored.

Finally, the "Add to the queue" function doesn't work for me when I am playing music. For example, I had chosen to play an album, which populated the queue with that album's music. I then selected another song and chose to add it to the queue, but it never showed up there.

Overall, I'm very impressed with this version of SageMC. I've disabled the animations for now, but I know the Queue issue is going to bite me on the WAF front.

Thanks!

[delise]

Hello,
I have been trying to use the SageMC without much luck. I really like all the features incorporated into the package, but I seem to be having basic navigation issues. After searching for quite a while, I found the setting to turn the "left command" on. That helped a lot, but there are still pages where I just can't get out at all.

For example, I was at the screen that was the same as editing favorites in Sage and there was no way to do a "left command". Before I found the command, I couldn't get out of viewing a video.

Is there some basic setting I'm missing? If not, is there any thought of adding a back icon to the pages like in Sage?

Thank you

[sagetvkid]

Yes thats the one.

Erm!
Go to that screen in Sage, then choose "UI Components" from the Debug menu in Studio. Then select each "Info" in the UI Components windows until the bit you want gets hilighted. (I found it was the first in the list) Then Right Click on it and select "Highlight Widget" (image attached showing where I ended up)

Thanx pjwerdna for the detailed explanation..It worked nicely:clap: :jump:

flachbar: When using SageMC 6.4 with MVP, I am not able to delete the numbers with my remote in the SageMC options: Left Menu Width....... In 6.3, I was able to delete with my remote but could not figure out how to add the decimal point..It's not on the MVP remote:confused:

[MeInMaui]

Hi All,

Since there is at least one person out there using my icon set :clap:, I have attached a new update. I hope you like it.

I've added some new icons to the collection. There is now an Intelligent Recording showicon and a Resolved Conflict showicon (I'm not sure about the proper naming for this one), as well as a new set of Encoder Markers. I've also reworked all of the existing icons. As I learn more about working with illustrator and photoshop, the results seem to be getting better (at least I think so). So I decided to update everything so it looks consistent. Enjoy!

Aloha,
Mike

Edit: Updated the zip file to contain the proper folder structure. Just unzip into your SageTV directory, being sure to preserve the folder structure. Note that your existing icons will be overwritten, so back them up if you want to keep them.

[bobrap]

I use it:D :thumb:

[bobrap]

I've always wondered why we (Sage) has a hard time getting people to do good themes (no offense to SageMC or others, but MediaPortal seems to have a ton of people making cool themes).

I'm glad that at least MIM is coming up with some good icons.
Are there other sources available for different themes? I'm using one from MediaPortal that I like...RealMP. I like the colors/readability of the guide. Some other theme color schemes aren't for me.(old fart and all that:rofl: )

[geogecko]

Are there other sources available for different themes? I'm using one from MediaPortal that I like...RealMP. I like the colors/readability of the guide. Some other theme color schemes aren't for me.(old fart and all that:rofl: )

You can kind of make your own themes, using some intructions that mlbdude posted a while back. The layout is fixed though, so drastic changes are not possible. I'm using the Razor theme, but I cannot remember if someone uploaded it, or if I ported it from MP. I've done so many, I can't remember.

Thanks for the icon update MIM! I haven't checked them out yet, but will probably see what they look like this afternoon! :jump:

[geogecko]

Hi All,

Since there is at least one person out there using my icon set :clap:, I have attached a new update. I hope you like it.

I've added some new icons to the collection. There is now an Intelligent Recording showicon and a Resolved Conflict showicon (I'm not sure about the proper naming for this one), as well as a new set of Encoder Markers. I've also reworked all of the existing icons. As I learn more about working with illustrator and photoshop, the results seem to be getting better (at least I think so). So I decided to update everything so it looks consistent. Enjoy!

Aloha,
Mike

Just one comment about these (still haven't looked at them yet...).

But is it possible to change the path that is the default in the zip file? Personally, it's easier just knowing that I need to unzip all my addons in one folder:

/STVs/SageTV3/SageMCE/Images/ShowIcons/

That way, you just unzip everything in /SageTV/SageTV/, and you're good to go!

Thanks again!!! :clap:

[AWS]

I love the added functionality you've done with the SageMC stv. Great job and my hat goes off to you.

With that being said, :D , is it possible to enable the Intelligent Recording function but have it only "Intelligent Record" on the series premiers?

And what am I doing wrong? I go to my guide, hit my Hauppauge "yellow" button, a "pop-up" menu appears and I select "filter guild". The filter guide appears and on the left I have the following: First Runs, Scheduled and HDTV. On the right side are a whole slew of other show categories but none of which say "Series Premier". So, uhh, where do I find it?

EDIT: Ok, I found it. It's in the Schedule screen, not the Guide screen. Found it. It's a very cool feature.

And about the I.R. feature, why does it still record a show when I mark it as "do not like"?

AWS

[MeInMaui]

Originally posted by geogecko

But is it possible to change the path that is the default in the zip file? Personally, it's easier just knowing that I need to unzip all my addons in one folder:

I just changed the folder structure for the icon collection so you can just unzip it directly into the SageTV directory and everything should end up in the right place. I edited my last post and updated the attached file to v3.1. I hope this makes things easier. Thanks for the suggestion geogecko.

Aloha,
Mike

[snoopy]

I just changed the folder structure for the icon collection so you can just unzip it directly into the SageTV directory and everything should end up in the right place. I edited my last post and updated the attached file to v3.1. I hope this makes things easier. Thanks for the suggestion geogecko.

Aloha,
MikeHow about a link to the latest in your sig file and/or the downloads section? Thanks for the great work!

[dflachbart]

My first problem is the animations. They seem to run off the same event timer as some other UI code (such as the media player timer), and this causes them to act oddly. For example, I was playing a song and when I clicked on another song, the popup box grew in 1 second increments. Everytime the media player timer ticked, the box grew in size. When I wasn't playing a song, it didn't grow at all unless I started sending commands with the remote. By repeatedly sending navigation commands (up/down arrow), I could "single step" through the popup animation. I noticed this effect in a few other areas as well.


Sorry, but probably not much I can do about. I am not using the animations, and have no clue how this stuff works ... I might have a quick look at it, but I guess you'll have to wait for this until mlbdude is back in development ...


Second, the STV Import option doesn't recognize STVi files. I'm not sure if this is by design or due to this code just not being looked at. CORRECTION: It only seems to recognize XML files - STV and STVi are ignored.


Actually, this is *by design* ... :) mlbdude decided to prevent users from 'screwing up' because SageMC is so different that almost all STVi's are not compatible. You can always 'force' to load a STVi by renaming it to *.xml, but as I said in most cases the import will not work ... There is no need to load *.STV files any more, this used to be the extension for full STV files, but now *.xml is the standard in SageTV


Finally, the "Add to the queue" function doesn't work for me when I am playing music. For example, I had chosen to play an album, which populated the queue with that album's music. I then selected another song and chose to add it to the queue, but it never showed up there.


Again sorry, but I do not use Sage for playing music, so I can't comment on this one. But I would think that queueing up songs is such a basic functionality that this should have been reported earlier if it didn't work in general, maybe someone else who is using the music library can chime in here ?

Dirk

[dflachbart]

flachbar: When using SageMC 6.4 with MVP, I am not able to delete the numbers with my remote in the SageMC options: Left Menu Width....... In 6.3, I was able to delete with my remote but could not figure out how to add the decimal point..It's not on the MVP remote:confused:

Yeah, right now those edit boxes aren't really designed for input via remote, a more sophisticated input dialog (including input of characters and special characters) would be needed ... For now, you'd need to use a keyboard for those, but I'll try to add at least the 'delete' functionality back in the next version ...

Dirk

[dflachbart]

I love the added functionality you've done with the SageMC stv. Great job and my hat goes off to you.


Thanks :)



With that being said, :D , is it possible to enable the Intelligent Recording function but have it only "Intelligent Record" on the series premiers?


Sorry, this is not possible. Intelligent Recording is going on deep in the Sage core, SageMC does not have any control over it. Something like this would need to be added to the Sage core functionality ...




And about the I.R. feature, why does it still record a show when I mark it as "do not like"?

AWS

Hmm, again this would be a general Sage problem, not specific to SageMC. I am not using IR myself, but I've read that you sometimes have to 'train' Sage a little longer for it to exclude shows for good. Did you only mark one episode of this show as 'don't like' ? Try to bring up 'show additional airings' and mark all other airings too, maybe this will work better ...

Dirk

[dflachbart]

You can kind of make your own themes, using some intructions that mlbdude posted a while back. The layout is fixed though, so drastic changes are not possible. I'm using the Razor theme, but I cannot remember if someone uploaded it, or if I ported it from MP. I've done so many, I can't remember.


Interesting ... Does anyone else custom themes (other than the ones included in the SageMC base download) too ? What about creating a 'theme repository' where people could offer their custom themes for other users to download ? I see that the Razor skin is available on the wiki page, maybe it is possible to put some more there ?

Dirk

[snoopy]

Originally Posted by src666
Second, the STV Import option doesn't recognize STVi files. I'm not sure if this is by design or due to this code just not being looked at. CORRECTION: It only seems to recognize XML files - STV and STVi are ignored.

Actually, this is *by design* ... :) mlbdude decided to prevent users from 'screwing up' because SageMC is so different that almost all STVi's are not compatible. You can always 'force' to load a STVi by renaming it to *.xml, but as I said in most cases the import will not work ... There is no need to load *.STV files any more, this used to be the extension for full STV files, but now *.xml is the standard in SageTVI have to agree wtih src666 here... STV, STVi, XML is now EXTREEMELY confusing IMHO. As far as renaming goes even, imports simply don't list even as xml files so that solution will not work; nor do they list in the main stv load section for that matter. XMLs do not show up at all in either load/import section in detailed setup once the STV has been changed to SageMC and even if you change back, they are then gone from the Main STV as well. As badly as these extensions have been screwed up by Frey Technologies, it will be VERY difficult for anyone to make this easy to figure out on the screen itself (perhaps a note on the two choices with the extensions now accepted .xml and/or .stv there in parenthesis would help?) I think for now, we should at least have the ability to SEE .xml extensions once one has converted to using SageMC and as well as continue to be able to see the same extensions you could originally in case you ever change back to the Main STV in troubleshooting. Right now I can't get XML to show as an option in SageMC in either place one could load it. This is bizzare to say the least and quite franky, it's Frey Technologies fault. Maybe it can be made less confusing.

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by snoopy

How about a link to the latest in your sig file and/or the downloads section?

I've added the Show Icons and Encoder Markers to the downloads section.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. That wasn't my intention.

Aloha,
Mike

[snoopy]

I've added the Show Icons and Encoder Markers to the downloads section.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. That wasn't my intention.

Aloha,
MikeYou didn't hijack the thread sir. I was thrilled to find these here. They are a fantastic addition to flachbar's work. To even be at the stage of cosmetics is amazing in and of itself. Fine work my friend... fine work!

[snoopy]

mimic std STV conflict behavior

First please note: this is *not* a full implemetation of the functionality which can be found in the standard STV, and I don't think it will ever be, but maybe it will be a little help for those who were asking about this in the past ...

All I added is a change of the behavior when you resolve a conflict by selecting "Record this show one time instead of the favorite ..." which will now result in a 'resolved conflict' like in the std STV, indicated by the green checkmark icon. Note that the canceled recording can *not* be found in the Conflict screen any longer, once you resolved the conflict the green icon is the only indication of the past conflict.

This additional functionality is disabled by default.UG... Perhaps I am just not understanding? I would like to "change nothing and do not record etc..." which is usually the first option (deliberate design I imagine which is great) and have it clear the silly little conflict and give it a green check upon choosing that option. Unfortunately, this still doesn't happen. Additionally, you seem to have less choices than before. In the screen I am looking at now, if I wanted to "always record the harvey girls" OR "always record walker texas ranger" (both of which shows are listed), I do not have the ability to do either. Every show listed in a particular view as shown should be able to be managed as 'always' or 'once' from the same view. I've included a screenshot of this one in particular to outline what I mean. Sorry to be such a pest. I just loved the ability to clear conflicts when they existed and would love to have that ability back without loosing the other amazing features of this amazing STV!

[dflachbart]

XMLs do not show up at all in either load/import section in detailed setup once the STV has been changed to SageMC and even if you change back, they are then gone from the Main STV as well.

I agree that it might be confusing that SageMC does not allow to select *.stvi imports any more (I will modify the menu text in the next version), but what you said above is simply not true.

SageMC does show *.xml files, for both options 'Select STV Application Package' and 'Import Application Package', in fact that is the only extension it recognizes. And once you select the standard STV (SageTV3.xml) to revert back to the standard GUI, both standard options (*.xml for STV and *.stvi for STVi) are available again.

It is a different story if you loaded the old SageMC version SageMC169.stv - then it will only allow you to select other files with *.stv. But this is *not* SageMC specific, the same thing happens if you load the old standard STV SagetTV3.stv, then even the standard one will only allow you to select other *.stv files.

Bottom line is - you should *not* load old STV packages with the ending *.stv, they are obsolete - in SageMC as well as in standard Sage, unless you know what you are doing...

Dirk

[geogecko]

Interesting ... Does anyone else custom themes (other than the ones included in the SageMC base download) too ? What about creating a 'theme repository' where people could offer their custom themes for other users to download ? I see that the Razor skin is available on the wiki page, maybe it is possible to put some more there ?

Dirk

This is fairly easy to do, but there are some "issues." First, if all the theme pictures are not replaced with the new theme, you get kind of a mixed theme, so you have to improvise a bit. Secondly, you can't really move things around (I'm not sure how they do it in MP, allow others to move items around in the UI, but somehow they are doing it). So, porting a MP theme to SageMC does not look anywhere near the same, you just have to do it, and see how it turns out.

I think I did a couple, and then someone did the Razor one, but that's about it.

I wouldn't mind doing a couple more, if I can find some good ones at MP.

I will be out all next week, so if you don't see any replies, that is why!

:jump:

[dflachbart]

UG... Perhaps I am just not understanding? I would like to "change nothing and do not record etc..." which is usually the first option (deliberate design I imagine which is great) and have it clear the silly little conflict and give it a green check upon choosing that option. Unfortunately, this still doesn't happen.


Yes, I thought about that. The functionality I added to the 'override this time .." options informs SageTV that the user has confirmed the overriding to allow for the 'resolved conflict' to appear. The first option could be changed to do the same, to confirm to SageTV that it is ok to not record the current *conflict* recording. I hesitated to do this because I thought this first option is sort of a 'back' button to get out of the screen without changing anything. But if it would be general consensus to change this behavior, then I could add this too ...


Additionally, you seem to have less choices than before. In the screen I am looking at now, if I wanted to "always record the harvey girls" OR "always record walker texas ranger" (both of which shows are listed), I do not have the ability to do either. Every show listed in a particular view as shown should be able to be managed as 'always' or 'once' from the same view.

I know what you mean, but you dont have less choices now, these choices have never been in SageMC (you might think of the standard STV). SageMC has always only offered to override the scheduled recording with the current conflicting one, and never vice-versa. It might be possible to add this, but that would probably the last thing I'd change for the conflict behavior - as I said before, it's *not* my goal to model the design of the standard STV ...

Dirk

[snoopy]

Originally Posted by snoopy
XMLs do not show up at all in either load/import section in detailed setup once the STV has been changed to SageMC and even if you change back, they are then gone from the Main STV as well.
I agree that it might be confusing that SageMC does not allow to select *.stvi imports any more (I will modify the menu text in the next version), but what you said above is simply not true.

SageMC does show *.xml files, for both options 'Select STV Application Package' and 'Import Application Package', in fact that is the only extension it recognizes. And once you select the standard STV (SageTV3.xml) to revert back to the standard GUI, both standard options (*.xml for STV and *.stvi for STVi) are available again.

It is a different story if you loaded the old SageMC version SageMC169.stv - then it will only allow you to select other files with *.stv. But this is *not* SageMC specific, the same thing happens if you load the old standard STV SagetTV3.stv, then even the standard one will only allow you to select other *.stv files.

Bottom line is - you should *not* load old STV packages with the ending *.stv, they are obsolete - in SageMC as well as in standard Sage, unless you know what you are doing...
DirkThanks for setting me straight on that. You are absolutely right! XML is all you see from the option to which I am pointing as it should be. Maybe smaller text here will make it easier to make clear on the screen what is happening. Thank you also for the "bottom line" remark. That helps alot.

My suggestion to the attached graphic would go as follows with smaller fonts just the right hand side of the attached screen:

SageTV application package (.XML-prefered format, .STV-obsolete format)
SageTV application package Import (.STV-allowed format, .STVi-suppressed format)

[snoopy]

Yes, I thought about that. The functionality I added to the 'override this time .." options informs SageTV that the user has confirmed the overriding to allow for the 'resolved conflict' to appear. The first option could be changed to do the same, to confirm to SageTV that it is ok to not record the current *conflict* recording. I hesitated to do this because I thought this first option is sort of a 'back' button to get out of the screen without changing anything.Certainly, and thanks for taking this on! It seems to me that whether it clears the conflict or not, if you are interested in just going back, choosing the first option does that anyway. Why not just have it put meinmaui's little cleared check (nice JOB BTW meinmaui) there also as it still does not affect function. I do love it being the first option which it has been per your design from the start. Just give me the option of ending up with a green check upon its selection and I'll continue to be one happy camper with this GREAT STV.I know what you mean, but you dont have less choices now, these choices have never been in SageMC (you might think of the standard STV). SageMC has always only offered to override the scheduled recording with the current conflicting one, and never vice-versa. It might be possible to add this, but that would probably the last thing I'd change for the conflict behavior - as I said before, it's *not* my goal to model the design of the standard STV ...I can certainly understand that. Your interface is not a mimic of the main STV. I don't think you run that risk at all. This is leaps and bounds beyond that! :clap:

[snoopy]

I remember the special guide menus by someone?? and at one point my wife and I had them really fine tuned whereby one could group by, movies, premiers, specials, or ALL (important one), etc, and sort by several views in order we chose (ie. genre, star rating, first air date, premier date (in the case of movies ie. before 1945, after 2003)etc. More options than what he had of course were available and could have been added I suppose. My hat is off to you on the Movie screen because you seem to have already started in that general direction. SageMC's format just cries out for such a tool. Do you know what that special guide was? Maybe I can figure out how to add that in. Even better maybe it could be built into SageMC down the road and 'super-organize' even more options.
I get so EXCITED when I think about the possibilities of all the hard work someone else could do. :corn:

My suggestions are even getting on my own nerves now.
Keep up the great work :thumb:

[snoopy]

The wife would like to have an option to 'add recording' by channel and/or time-slot. When you select a show in the guide, perhaps extend that function to there in a simple option to allow recording of the same channel/time-slot each week/day/month. That was part of the main STV as well at least to some extent and I know you did not want to mimic that. Rest assured that you are far from doing that :bang:

[dflachbart]

Your interface is not a mimic of the main STV. I don't think you run that risk at all.


Well, I actually meant that I dont want to model the conflict resolution design of the standard STV. SageMC itself is of course far away from being a mimic of the standard GUI ... ;)


This is leaps and bounds beyond that! :clap:


Just a clarification as you might not know, mlbdude who created this great STV really deserves all the praise. It's his baby, I'm just helping out temporarily, trying to keep the interface as clean and simple as he intended it to be ... :)

Dirk

[Alfiegerner]

Hey Flachbar, a suggestion / feature request for you :blush:

I modify this stv so the Stop popup screen doesn't appear when I press stop during tv / video playback. I know a lot of people like it but I think there are a also lot of people who also find it a bit cumbersome when you just want to stop something playing. Would you be interested in adding this to your additions?

[kricker]

Hey Flachbar, a suggestion / feature request for you :blush:

I modify this stv so the Stop popup screen doesn't appear when I press stop during tv / video playback. I know a lot of people like it but I think there are a also lot of people who also find it a bit cumbersome when you just want to stop something playing. Would you be interested in adding this to your additions?
Can you share this modification, if he doesn't want to add it?

[Alfiegerner]

Can you share this modification, if he doesn't want to add it?

Not a lot to share TBH. Just an ugly hack of the stv - I'm not sure this is even the right way to do it but I found it did what I wanted.

Look at the 'stop' listener in the MC media player OSD section and link it to the command 'CloseAnWaitUntilClosed()' and then put a link to the 'Main Menu' as a child. I've attached a piccy of what this looks like. I've also done the same thing on the 'FilePlaybackFinshedHook' in the same menu.

[dflachbart]

Hi there,

I am new to Sage and to the SageMC plugin. But I did notice some things that seem to be a problem for me (but I could be doing something wrong with settings).



Hi jds23,

before I reply to your questions, could you tell me which SageMC version you are using (I know it's a little confusing by now) :


- SageMC 5_10 (latest dev build by mlbdude)
- my SageMC Addon (obsolete)
- my newer STV dev build (ver 6_0 - 6_4)

If you are using one of my newer builds, you can go to the 'Settings' menu, and the SageMC STV version will be displayed on the right as the second item ...

Dirk

[wrb6]

I am new to SageMC but have been using Sage for about 6 months now. Last night tried to load SageMC and then SageMC build 6_4. I am using a client computer. Sage loads and opens with the SageMC interface but with only the My TV button working. It will then go to live TV but won't let you leave it. Did I forget to do something in loading SageMC - the computer it is running on really doesn't do anything else and has very little other software on it. Thanks for your help.

[dflachbart]

Hi there,

1. When I start Sage, then hit my Guide button, the ChannellIcons and Text for Show descriptions are inside the TV Viewing box (the small one in lower left corner). If I go out, start Live TV, then go to the guide, the text and icons are formatted correctly. It appears that anytime there is no video playing in that small preview window, the formatting gets a bit messed up.


Hmm, never seen this before. Which theme are you using (probably doesn't matter, but who knows) ? Did you see this issue also with versions prior to 5.04 (I am still using 5.02, but again, just a guess...) ? Since you are already on the latest STV version, maybe it's something in the propery file, can you send me yours so I can try to reproduce it ?



2. Start Sage, go to Live TV, go to channell 55 (e.g), then hit 65 & ENTER or the OK (Center button of directional buttons on MCE remote) and it appears to be toggling PREVIOUS CHANNEL. It then justs starts sending a bunch of numbers to my STB before it randomly stops on something. That is just the result of hitting 65 AND then PREVIOUS CHANNEL I believe? If the center button is for PREVIOUS channel, and my channel changes require me to hit the channel number and then either ENTER or OK, how would I go about that? If I enter a 3-digit channel number, it works fine, as it just go's there. Also, if I hit 065 (3-digits), it will tune properly, but can be kind of a pain. Maybe this is just design and I have to live with it?


Yeah, unfortunately this is by design. If you have configured Sage to use 3-digit channel numbers, you always have to input 3 digits for a channel change, even for the lower numbered channels. You could try to disable the 'Select=Previous Channel" command in SageMC (accessible from the options page), and see if this allows to trigger a channel change after you press select ...



3. This is not an issue, but I just wondered if there is some way to have the "time display vertical bar" in the guide go from top to bottom like it used to in the other version of SageMC? It's that little narrow line that travels from left to right, showing current time in each show, while in the guide. Whne I changed the xml file, it is just at the top now.


I double-checked and found that this had already been changed in mlbdude's latest dev build 5_10. If it's easy enough, I'll try to resurrect it ... :)



4. While I am in the GUIDE, there is no way to cursor over to the preview window so that I can press either OK or ENTER on it so I can then go to whatever is playing? Am I doing something wrong or missing a button? I have an MCE remote, and usually you can just arrow around til you get to that preview and click OK or ENTER, say like in the MAIN MENU, it works that way.


I dont think that has ever been possible in SageMC, but I'll double check with the original build tonight. This seems to be kind of a logical problem, because the arrow keys move within the guide, so they cant be used to cursor over the preview window ... If you called the guide while watching the show, you can simply press the guide button again to get back. You could also have the 'Live TV' command mapped to one of your remote buttons...



5. Go to Guide go to e.g channel 58 hit ok, hit watch...watching live tv, then hit 112, watch for a few secs, then go to mini-guide by using down arrow, it (the mini-guide) is on channel 58 (the previous channel). If you let the mini-guide timeout (dissappear), then use the up arrow to bring up mini-guide, it is at correct channell, 112.


I'll check this out


Dirk

[dflachbart]

Last night tried to load SageMC and then SageMC build 6_4. I am using a client computer.

Hi wrb6,

did you install the SageMC base package (dowload here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=36), installation instructions here (http://www.sage-community.org/index.cgi/wiki/SageMC169Installation)) before you installed the new 6.4 STV ?


Dirk

[wrb6]

I first installed the basic package [most current one I could find here] then installed 6.4. Didn't check with just the basic package and probably should have before adding 6.4. I can try that tonight when I get home. Does SAGEMC work well with Sage 5 - are there issues known that might do what happened to me? Maybe I should go to the other forum and check there.


Bill

[dflachbart]

I first installed the basic package [most current one I could find here] then installed 6.4. Didn't check with just the basic package and probably should have before adding 6.4. I can try that tonight when I get home. Does SAGEMC work well with Sage 5 - are there issues known that might do what happened to me? Maybe I should go to the other forum and check there.


Bill

Hi Bill,

yes it works fine with Sage 5 (I myself use 5.0.2).
Let me know if also you encounter the problems with only the base install.

Dirk

[dflachbart]

Thanks so much for your help with this flachbar! I am using the BlueTwo theme, I am also attaching my properties file and a jpg picture of the guide and how the text is formatting.

It's a setting in your properties file which is causing this... Go to Settings/Detailed Setup/Multimedia/VideoMenuOptions and select 'If Active / Window' - this will fix it :)

For the other issues, they will all be addressed in the next version :)


Dirk

[JUC]

great additions! I come back from vacation and see a lot is going on. I really like the color coding in the guide and new icons. I asked a little while ago, and you seemed interested in possibly making the preview window a little bit bigger. Any thoughts on that?
thanks again,
juc

[dflachbart]

great additions! I come back from vacation and see a lot is going on. I really like the color coding in the guide and new icons. I asked a little while ago, and you seemed interested in possibly making the preview window a little bit bigger. Any thoughts on that?
thanks again,
juc

Hi JUC,

you had a look at one of the latest versions (>= 6.3), right ? ;)

Dirk

[JUC]

just downloaded it this morning. Won't be able to install it yet until tonight. I saw some of the screencaps though and that's when I saw the guide colors. Awesome about the preview window. Can't wait!!!!!!
Thanks,
JUC

[ukmgranger]

I can't seem to download the latest STVi. The link on the first post just takes me to the forum download homepage?

[JUC]

I did catch the reference, but after I got home and installed 6.4 I am not seeing a larger preview window!?! Is it possible this does not work on the MVP? I haven't had time to test it on my server yet. Can someone post a screenshot of the enlarged preview window. Its possible my mind's just playing tricks on me but it doesnt' seem any larger than before....
thanks,
JUC

[dflachbart]

I can't seem to download the latest STVi. The link on the first post just takes me to the forum download homepage?

Sorry, this was still pointing to the old (now removed) plugin, I just updated it. Here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84) is the correct link ...

Dirk

[dflachbart]

I did catch the reference, but after I got home and installed 6.4 I am not seeing a larger preview window!?! Is it possible this does not work on the MVP? I haven't had time to test it on my server yet. Can someone post a screenshot of the enlarged preview window. Its possible my mind's just playing tricks on me but it doesnt' seem any larger than before....
thanks,
JUC

Hi JUC,

The attached pics show how it should look like (I chose the guide for a better reference, but you can set the same size on the main menus too) ...

Dirk

[ukmgranger]

Sorry, this was still pointing to the old (now removed) plugin, I just updated it. Here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84) is the correct link ...

Dirk

Brill thanks

[JUC]

That's wierd, I am not seeing the bigger screen on my MVP. Is there a property to set to adjust the size? Should it work on the MVP?
I'm using 6.4
thanks,
JUC

[dflachbart]

That's wierd, I am not seeing the bigger screen on my MVP. Is there a property to set to adjust the size? Should it work on the MVP?
I'm using 6.4
thanks,
JUC

I do not have a MVP, so I can't test it and tell if it should work or not ...
Did you enable the feature in the SageMC options screen (in the 'Addon' section) ? It is disabled by default ...

Dirk

[JUC]

I do not have a MVP, so I can't test it and tell if it should work or not ...
Did you enable the feature in the SageMC options screen (in the 'Addon' section) ? It is disabled by default ...

Dirk


LOL!! That's it. You see- i go away for vacation, come back and didn't even know there was an 'addon' section in the options screen!!
Thanks,
JUC

[AWS]

Where do I go about in Studio to change the date/time to a smaller font? Is that a simple properties change or what?

Thanks,
AWS

[xlr8shun]

Where do I go about in Studio to change the date/time to a smaller font? Is that a simple properties change or what?

Thanks,
AWS

while sage is active, press ctrl+shift+f12 to open studio, browse to where the picture below indicates

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6698/clock4gb.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clock4gb.jpg)

and right click on the 'untitled' theme widget for the clock format you're using (one of the items being pointed in number 3).

if you want to change them all, i belive if you just change the bold style one (under time24) then the changes should propigate throughout the rest that are linked to it (the ones above that are in italics style). if you just want to change a single one, then change the one you want.

after you find which one you want to change, right click on it > properties, and at the bottom, on the left, you'll see entries for font and font size. you can play till your hearts content. just remember that it doesnt update on the fly, you'll have to 'reload' the screen, whether you go to a new screen or just go to the main menu again, it doesnt matter, just so it has to redraw the time with the new settings inplace.

and if you screw something up, just hit revert, close out the properties box and try again. (it'll revert back to the last time that particualar properties box was closed).

[dflachbart]

while sage is active, press ctrl+shift+f12 to open studio, browse to where the picture below indicates

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6698/clock4gb.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clock4gb.jpg)

and right click on the 'untitled' theme widget for the clock format you're using (one of the items being pointed in number 3).

if you want to change them all, i belive if you just change the bold style one (under time24) then the changes should propigate throughout the rest that are linked to it (the ones above that are in italics style). if you just want to change a single one, then change the one you want.

after you find which one you want to change, right click on it > properties, and at the bottom, on the left, you'll see entries for font and font size. you can play till your hearts content. just remember that it doesnt update on the fly, you'll have to 'reload' the screen, whether you go to a new screen or just go to the main menu again, it doesnt matter, just so it has to redraw the time with the new settings inplace.

and if you screw something up, just hit revert, close out the properties box and try again. (it'll revert back to the last time that particualar properties box was closed).

Nicely done, I couldn't have explained it better ! :thumb:

Dirk

[snoopy]

How do I add the disk space widget once found Nielm's Dynamic Menu?

[AWS]

Thank you very much!

[src666]

I've noticed that when I'm browsing through additional showings, there is no inidication that specific episodes are scheduled to record. Any chance of getting the "red dot" into the future episode list?

It would also be nice to have some way to more quickly navigate in the Artists/Albums list, something like the alphatbet jump buttons in the original STV.

Thanks!

[dflachbart]

I've noticed that when I'm browsing through additional showings, there is no inidication that specific episodes are scheduled to record. Any chance of getting the "red dot" into the future episode list?


Like that idea ... But be aware that this will only work for future shows which air within the configured 'scheduling lookahead' in Sage (usually that's 3 days, and the EPG info pulls in much more days). If a show airs later it might still get scheduled for recording later on, but at the time you bring up the 'Other Showings' list there wont be an icon (since the code cant detect it) ...



It would also be nice to have some way to more quickly navigate in the Artists/Albums list, something like the alphatbet jump buttons in the original STV.


Unfortunately very low on my priority list since I don't use Sage for playing my music ...


Dirk

[dflachbart]

How do I add the disk space widget once found Nielm's Dynamic Menu?

If you mean the one from the hidden UI features in the standard STV - this is not implemented in SageMC. There is a separate menu screen in SageMC - Deria's System Monitor - which will show you disk utilization. You can either follow the instructions posted here (http://www.sage-community.org/index.cgi/wiki/SageMC169MyPlugins), or add the screen via the built-in nielm's dynamic menu (link to internal screen 'System Monitor Plugin - deria')...

Dirk

[snoopy]

If you mean the one from the hidden UI features in the standard STV - this is not implemented in SageMC. There is a separate menu screen in SageMC - Deria's System Monitor - which will show you disk utilization. You can either follow the instructions posted here (http://www.sage-community.org/index.cgi/wiki/SageMC169MyPlugins), or add the screen via the built-in nielm's dynamic menu (link to internal screen 'System Monitor Plugin - deria')...

DirkAs I understand from the posting, you have to edit with studio to get that to work?

[dflachbart]

As I understand from the posting, you have to edit with studio to get that to work?

No, not at all ... Either 1) you follow the instructions on the link I posted above and insert


mlbdude/plugins/deria_system_monitor/Author=Deria

mlbdude/plugins/deria_system_monitor/Description=The System Monitor plugin is an extremely configurable disk utilization monitor

mlbdude/plugins/deria_system_monitor/Menu=System Monitor Plugin - deria

mlbdude/plugins/deria_system_monitor/Title=System Monitor


into your Sage.properties file which will make the system monitor available under 'My Plugins',

or (2) you use "My Menu" and add a new menu item: My Menu -> Options Menu (ESC on keyboard) -> Add New Menu Item -> Internal Screen -> select "System Monitor Plugin - deria" -> give it a name -> Options menu once more -> save menu definition file


Dirk

[src666]

Like that idea ... But be aware that this will only work for future shows which air within the configured 'scheduling lookahead' in Sage (usually that's 3 days, and the EPG info pulls in much more days). If a show airs later it might still get scheduled for recording later on, but at the time you bring up the 'Other Showings' list there wont be an icon (since the code cant detect it) ...
I understand about the lookahead limitation. Right now, it's mainly an issue with manually scheduled recordings - for example, there are some episodes of Star Trek TNG that I would like to catch. When browsing through future airings I frequently jump into the program details just to see if I already scheduled it or not (hard to keep track of everything mentally). I figure if the details screen can show the red dot, then the programs list can too - that may be a faulty assumption on my part, though.

Unfortunately very low on my priority list since I don't use Sage for playing my music ...

Drat! I have close to 500 artists in my system, and over 800 albums. Scrolling through the list takes _forever_. Maybe someday.

Thanks for all your hard work on this - I'm really enjoying the changes you have made.

[dflachbart]

I understand about the lookahead limitation. Right now, it's mainly an issue with manually scheduled recordings - for example, there are some episodes of Star Trek TNG that I would like to catch. When browsing through future airings I frequently jump into the program details just to see if I already scheduled it or not (hard to keep track of everything mentally). I figure if the details screen can show the red dot, then the programs list can too - that may be a faulty assumption on my part, though.


No faulty assumption, I'll get that into the next version ... :)




Drat! I have close to 500 artists in my system, and over 800 albums. Scrolling through the list takes _forever_. Maybe someday.


Yeah, can feel your pain. Did you ever resolve the "send to queue" issue ? I don't remember any one here responding on that ...

Dirk

[Alfiegerner]

Hi flachbar,

This is great, I really like being able to use the onscreen setup options :thumb:

A small bugfix for you. This was an existing bug in SageMC that affects those who use the 'movie_category' property. On the recorded files screen, filtering by the type Movies returned nothing for me as my movie_category is Film rather than Movie. Rather then using the 'GetProperty("mlbdude/movie_category","Movie")' it is currently just hardcoded as 'Movie' in studio.

I have attached a piccy of where I have made the change to make it work.

[dflachbart]

Hi flachbar,

This is great, I really like being able to use the onscreen setup options :thumb:

A small bugfix for you. This was an existing bug in SageMC that affects those who use the 'movie_category' property. On the recorded files screen, filtering by the type Movies returned nothing for me as my movie_category is Film rather than Movie. Rather then using the 'GetProperty("mlbdude/movie_category","Movie")' it is currently just hardcoded as 'Movie' in studio.

I have attached a piccy of where I have made the change to make it work.

Yeah, you are right. I found a couple of other places which also use the hardcoded value. Will be fixed in the next version.

Thanks for the heads-up,

Dirk

[snoopy]

it appears to have fallen behind the menu.

What about a little red arrow (marked time) on the bottom with a dotted line going through the guide would work better?

GOD I LOVE THIS STV... IT'S TREMENDOUS!

[src666]

Yeah, can feel your pain. Did you ever resolve the "send to queue" issue ? I don't remember any one here responding on that ...


Yeah - I resolved it by not using it. It does nothing for me. Once I set up the queue by adding either a file, an album or an artist, I can't add anything else to the queue. Too bad, it's one of the things that Sage's music section needs most. I'm wondering if it was ever fully cooked in SageMC, or just something that was in progress when development stopped.

[dflachbart]

Version 6.5 is now available for download here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84).

Changes in 6.5:


The sounds can now be disabled in the settings menu, no need to rename/delete the sounds folder any more (the exceptions in the debug logged nagged me)
Added evilpenguins extension for minimizing Sage after starting external programs from the 'Other Programs' screen, simply add "_m" to the shortcut name
Added recording icons for the list "Other Showings" in order to see which future airing are scheduled to record. Note that only shows which air within your configured scheduling_lookahead (typically 3 days) can be marked
Fixed missing 'Left_as_back' functionality in several menus. Text entry dialogs can be exited by selecting 'Left' on the last row of keys
Added option to disable the stop popup which shows after stopping a playback to return directly to the last menu. Disabled by default.
Fixed remaining code where the movie category was hardcoded
Added options "Default Start/Stop Padding" for favorites
Added SortByDate/SortByOriginalDate to subgroup menu
Added 'Year' attribute to Favorite settings.
Added text entry and directory file listing to ease input of values in SageMC settings
Added an option to display the vertical 'current time' bar in the EPG (disabled by default)
'Premieres' filter does now show also Season premieres
Added option to limit lookahead for premieres search (default 7 days) to make the search faster and the menu change more responsive
Extra info (on Info toggle) now also shows extra airing details (CC, Stereo, Premiere, etc) in addition to the external ShowID


Oh, almost forgot: to put an end to all the moaning for good, I added the full conflict resolution logic of the standard STV to SageMC ... ;) You should see exactly the same options to resolve the conflict as with the standard STV. The original SageMC behavior is still available and will be the default on a fresh install. This way, everyone can choose the functionality he/she prefers. And now I dont want to hear anything about it any more ... :D (other than bug reports, maybe :p )

Dirk

[Jason]

Version 6.5 is now available for download here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84).


Dirk

Good god! The only thing that I can complain about now is... OK give me a little bit... I'll find something. :D

As far as future opportunities, how about adding in the code for the Web Radio?

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18497

Seems like a 'natural' addition... I would love to see this. I thought about using the FM tuner, but since there is no EPG and as it ties up the tuner, web radio seems a better choice.

EDIT: Even better...! How about adding code the import above to utilize Pandora! (http://www.pandora.com/) I absolutely love it!

-Jason

[evilpenguin]

Wow, that list looks great. SageMC just keeps getting better and better :) Good work! :goodjob:

[technazz]

Yes good work. Much appreciated!


technazz

[domc]

As far as future opportunities, how about adding in the code for the Web Radio?
EDIT: Even better...! How about adding code the import above to utilize Pandora! (http://www.pandora.com/) I absolutely love it!

-Jason

Ah yes, I second this one!! Would be great.:clap:

[bobrap]

Excellent, Excellent, Excellent..:goodjob: :clap: Thank you.

[dflachbart]

You also either fixed the bug with the mini-guide, or it fixed itself!?

Yeah, I fixed that one too, just forgot to mention it in the changelog ;)
Man, that would be nice if bugs could fix themselves ... :D

Dirk

[Jason]

flachbar-

You know... I got to thinking and a great feature to have would be an 'update' feature ("Check for New Version")...

Since adding the version string, this might be a usefull addition.

-Jason

[snoopy]

Version 6.5 is now available for download here (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=84).

Changes in 6.5:

Added SortByDate/SortByOriginalDate to subgroup menu
Added 'Year' attribute to Favorite settings.
Added option to limit lookahead for premieres search (default 7 days) to make the search faster and the menu change more responsive
Extra info (on Info toggle) now also shows extra airing details (CC, Stereo, Premiere, etc) in addition to the external ShowID
Oh, almost forgot: to put an end to all the moaning for good, I added the full conflict resolution logic of the standard STV to SageMC ... ;) You should see exactly the same options to resolve the conflict as with the standard STV. The original SageMC behavior is still available and will be the default on a fresh install. This way, everyone can choose the functionality he/she prefers. And now I dont want to hear anything about it any more ... :D (other than bug reports, maybe :p )

DirkAWESOME CHANGES.... I would still like the ability to clear a conflict mark and get a green check like the original STV... I know "you don't want to hear anything about it". Sorry :confused:

The sort by date/original air date... Where would that be?
The option for lookahead.... nice addition. I would like the ability to set each of the lookahead values in those SageMC options.
Extra info... Is the extra info tied to the the info button? I'm having some real difficulty mapping that one on my remote. ARGH!

Suggestions:
Recorded TV (All) is sorted according to "grouped" which I think is the most prefered way to view that list. I would like to see 1st Run and Watched icons there too if all the shows in it are worthy of the mark. Currently that only happens on "sort by title". Thanks again for such fantastic work!

Put "delete" at the top of the menu pop-up when you exit a recording.

Add an undelete option whereby one could undelete items that were just deleted by accident

[dflachbart]

Hi flachbar and all,

Ok, as I am a previous MCE user (now a full-fledged Sager :) ), I am used to having all the "My xxxxx" available at the touch of a remote control key. SageMC allowed me to get almost 100% of what my family and I were used to, with ONE exception...My TV. When going to try and add a "Command" mapping a while back, it was easy to see and figure out why it wasn't there, as SageTV doesn't have that in the core STV. But We DO have it in SageMC. I noticed I could add a MENU item in my CUSTOM Dynamic menu system, but it is not really a help over in that other menu.

So I then learned about sendmessage here on the forums from Opus4, after getting the sendmessage to go to My TV from a sendmessage script ran in DOS, it worked perfectly. I then learned that I now had to use HIP to get that sendmessage from my remote>HIP>SAGE. Well, now after all that, I learned from HIP that you can only send ONE command via sendmessage at a time. On the Sage manual, it allows you to send multiple messages in sendmessage, but not HIP..One at a time there only...

So now I am back to trying to figure out how this could be done. Basically, if My TV was defined, I could just map it....BUT. I don't suppose Sage would do this in their program because they didn't make SageMC, so they probably don't support it... I need something that a)would go right to MY TV (with the My TV button that is on 99.9% of all MCE remotes), or B) would send a HOME command followed by a OK/SELECT command, as when you hit HOME in SageMC, it goes to My TV.

Any thoughts?? Am I going about this in the wrong way? Anything anybody can think of? Thanks VM in advance.... :rofl:
Hi jds23,

nothing easier than that, mapping 'My TV' to a remote button was the first thing I did in Girder ... :D

Did you know that My TV is mapped to Custom1 (Sage Command 78) ? ;)


Dirk

[dflachbart]

Hi snoopy,

AWESOME CHANGES.... I would still like the ability to clear a conflict mark and get a green check like the original STV... I know "you don't want to hear anything about it". Sorry :confused:


Not sure if I understand. You should now have exactly the same options as in the standard STV, and resolving a conflict from the conflict page should finally change the icon to a green checkbox. To check, simply fire up the standard STV (SageTV3.xml) and see if this shows any different options ...



The sort by date/original air date... Where would that be?


It only shows in the subgroup view (once you clicked on a group title from the 'Grouped' or 'Sort By Title' view)



Extra info... Is the extra info tied to the the info button? I'm having some real difficulty mapping that one on my remote. ARGH!


It should be easy to assign a remote button via the Settings/DetailedSetup/Commands menu ...



Recorded TV (All) is sorted according to "grouped" which I think is the most prefered way to view that list. I would like to see 1st Run and Watched icons there too if all the shows in it are worthy of the mark. Currently that only happens on "sort by title". Thanks again for such fantastic work!


Watched icons should be displayed for both "Grouped" and "Sort By Title" views if all shows in the group are watched. Regarding the First Run icon, personally I don't think a 1strun icon on a group makes that much sense



Put "delete" at the top of the menu pop-up when you exit a recording.


See jds23 comments, I wont do that ... ;)



Add an undelete option whereby one could undelete items that were just deleted by accident

Not possible, this would have to be supported in the Sage core


Dirk

[dflachbart]

flachbar-

You know... I got to thinking and a great feature to have would be an 'update' feature ("Check for New Version")...

Since adding the version string, this might be a usefull addition.

-Jason
Hi Jason,

neat idea, but probably way too difficult to implement (if possible at all) without the concept of a plugin repository (like e.g. the Meedio plugins). Guess you will have to stick around in the forums for new versions ... :D


Dirk

[snoopy]

I have a point of contention from a long ways back regarding the channel icons. It has greatly improved in SageMC!

Suggestions:
1) most important... Currently the icon is "streched" to fit which is great! It isn't proportional though.
2) less important... Currently the channel icons in the guide show near the top of the little window where the show preview will go. It would be better if once resized proportionally, it were 'centered' there instead of positioned at the top.

Bug:
The option for renaming the My Menu item doesn't appear to work.

[snoopy]

Hi snoopy,
Watched icons should be displayed for both "Grouped" and "Sort By Title" views if all shows in the group are watched. Regarding the First Run icon, personally I don't think a 1strun icon on a group makes that much sense
DirkThanks for addressing my picky concerns. Yeah, I know on this one but it would be helpfull for us to have first run if everything in a group meets that but that's personal preference. Then again, it can't hurt anything to put it in can it?

[dflachbart]

1) most important... Currently the icon is "streched" to fit which is great! It isn't proportional though.


Hmm, doesn't look unproportional here ... All logo widgets have 'preserve aspect ratio' set, so there's not much more I can do ...


2) less important... Currently the channel icons in the guide show near the top of the little window where the show preview will go. It would be better if once resized proportionally, it were 'centered' there instead of positioned at the top.


I'm not sure everyone will agree on this ;) You can change it yourself in Studio if you really need it ...


Bug:
The option for renaming the My Menu item doesn't appear to work.

Again, works fine for me ... Note that only the Text of the My Menu button on the main menu will be changed, not the Title text on the top of the My Menu screen itself. To change this title you have to edit the file "menu.xml", this is not controlled by SageMC but by the dynamic menu plugin

Dirk

[dflachbart]

flachbar!,

I know you were waiting for this! NO FREAKIN' WAY!!

I admit I was :rofl: ...
Nah, just kiddin', I am innocent ... :D


Dirk

[gplasky]

Request

Great job so far. Love the new features and clean up. Now that we have an option for renaming the "My Menu" menu how about something to fix the issue of when you go into the "My Menu" next screen getting rid of the "n/a" in the upper left corner by offering up an option to enter in text for that? Just like in My Menu so that next screen actually can have a name?

Gerry

[dflachbart]

Request

Great job so far. Love the new features and clean up. Now that we have an option for renaming the "My Menu" menu how about something to fix the issue of when you go into the "My Menu" next screen getting rid of the "n/a" in the upper left corner by offering up an option to enter in text for that? Just like in My Menu so that next screen actually can have a name?

Gerry
Hi Gerry,

see my response below to snoopy. The title of the My Menu screen is defined in nielm's menu.xml file, you can simply edit it there.

Dirk

[gplasky]

Hi Gerry,

see my response below to snoopy. The title of the My Menu screen is defined in nielm's menu.xml file, you can simply edit it there.

Dirk
Doh! I did read it. Now I understand it. :D But as a second thought, since nielm's menu is "built into" SageMC would there be anyway to make that one of your options like you did for naming "My Menu" It may be a little more difficult but I have full confidence in your abilities. :thumb:

Gerry

[edbmdave]

How about a new main menu option and include the Simple Web Radio from koelec

I vote for calling it "My Radio" Then you could configure between the web or real if you wanted to include both...

[snoopy]

regarding centering of channel logo
I'm not sure everyone will agree on this ;) You can change it yourself in Studio if you really need it ...DirkHow would one go about this. Is it an easy change?
regarding changing the My Menu button title
Again, works fine for me ... Note that only the Text of the My Menu button on the main menu will be changed, not the Title text on the top of the My Menu screen itself. To change this title you have to edit the file "menu.xml", this is not controlled by SageMC but by the dynamic menu pluginI'm not sure where I went wrong? I am including screenshots of what I am seeing.

[dflachbart]

How would one go about this. Is it an easy change?

You only have to change values in two widgets, see attached pic ....



I'm not sure where I went wrong? I am including screenshots of what I am seeing.
You didn't go wrong ... I finally found out what's happening: the renaming of the menu does only work for the 'Sage' menu style, but not for the 'MCE' menu style. I will fix this in the next version.


Dirk

[src666]

Well, this is an odd one - I guess this is the first day I've used SageMC that I didn't have a DVD in the client's drive. Every time I press the Home key to go to the main menu, I get a Windows dialog box saying that there isn't a disc in drive D: (the DVD drive). I've dug around in the *.properties files, and disabled the "notify on new disc" option in Sage, but this keeps popping up every time I press Home. It doesn't happen on the "normal" Sage.XML.

Any ideas on what I have done wrong, and how to fix this one? Thanks!

[snoopy]

I think I finally have this thing licked with the exception of changing the numbers and call letters on the locals to reflect the "real" channel as opposed to what the cable company wants me to see.

What are the maximum width, height dimensions to make the best use of that guide space by default?

[dflachbart]

How about a new main menu option and include the Simple Web Radio from koelec

I vote for calling it "My Radio" Then you could configure between the web or real if you wanted to include both...
I don't think you'd need a new main menu option for this. Once you enabled 'My Menu', you can define as many (even nested) other menus as you want.

The Web Radio import seems to be a pretty self-contained screen, so the only task to port this to SageMC would probably be to modify the UI elements to the SageMC 'look&feel'. You just have to find someone who's up to this, honestly I am not ... :) Or if you don't care about apperance, you can just import the plugin (by renaming it to .xml), not 100% sure if it will work, but my bet is it will ...

Dirk

[Morgan111]

I don't think you'd need a new main menu option for this. Once you enabled 'My Menu', you can define as many (even nested) other menus as you want.

The Web Radio import seems to be a pretty self-contained screen, so the only task to port this to SageMC would probably be to modify the UI elements to the SageMC 'look&feel'. You just have to find someone who's up to this, honestly I am not ... :) Or if you don't care about apperance, you can just import the plugin (by renaming it to .xml), not 100% sure if it will work, but my bet is it will ...

Dirk

I had moved it into my STV yesterday. It works great on one client, and on the other the selection seems to have a problem refreshing for some reason. I have it linked to as a menu item under My Music for now. I have included the STV file here if you would like to take it as something to start with or if anybody wants to make an import based on it. I am using the web radio alot more than I thought I would. There are some great shoutcast channels out there!

Morgan
SageMC_169-1.xml (zip) (http://home.comcast.net/~mp4310/SageMC_169-1.zip)

http://home.comcast.net/~mp4310/WebRadio1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mp4310/WebRadio2.JPG

[evilpenguin]

Wow, that webradio thing looks pretty slick in SageMC. I have no mp3's on my HTPC, but I could see myself using that. Nice work :goodjob:

[JUC]

Wow--the web radio looks great. Since it seems like the screens mostly work-any chance of including this in the .stv?

Morgan111-is the stv you posted based on the current SageMC? If so-that is good enough.

Also--any chance of porting the movie listing plugin over?
Great,
thanks,
JUC

[dflachbart]

Doh! I did read it. Now I understand it. :D But as a second thought, since nielm's menu is "built into" SageMC would there be anyway to make that one of your options like you did for naming "My Menu" It may be a little more difficult but I have full confidence in your abilities. :thumb:

Gerry
Good thing I just scanned through the older posts again, otherwise I would have missed this (I read it before you edited it ...) ;)

Well, actually it *is* quite simple, so expect it to be in the next version ... :D


Dirk

[Morgan111]

Wow--the web radio looks great. Since it seems like the screens mostly work-any chance of including this in the .stv?

Morgan111-is the stv you posted based on the current SageMC? If so-that is good enough.

Also--any chance of porting the movie listing plugin over?
Great,
thanks,
JUC

JUC, Actually I though I downloaded the latest but it was before the version info was added. I just downloaded 6.5 and imported it into there. I updated the download file for the earlier post. Remember to download koelec's Simple Web Radio installation for all of the support files. He is working to make an updated release that fixes some issues as well as adding some new features.

[kricker]

I had moved it into my STV yesterday. It works great on one client, and on the other the selection seems to have a problem refreshing for some reason. I have it linked to as a menu item under My Music for now. I have included the STV file here if you would like to take it as something to start with or if anybody wants to make an import based on it. I am using the web radio alot more than I thought I would. There are some great shoutcast channels out there! I downloaded the web radio and installed it as well as the .xml file you provided. Functionality seems ok, but the visual is screwed up. My list of menu options on My Music screen has the last button cut in half (http://www.danielpatton.com/kricker/sage/mymusic.JPG). When I navigate down to it the other buttons move up then the top button gets cut in half (http://www.danielpatton.com/kricker/sage/mymusic2.JPG). Any ideas?

In the webradioscreen I get 4 choices (based on the provided text file I assume) and they are all stretched vertically (http://www.danielpatton.com/kricker/sage/webradio.JPG) to fill the space. Is this normal?

[Morgan111]

I downloaded the web radio and installed it as well as the .xml file you provided. Functionality seems ok, but the visual is screwed up. My list of menu options on My Music screen has the last button cut in half (http://www.danielpatton.com/kricker/sage/mymusic.JPG). When I navigate down to it the other buttons move up then the top button gets cut in half (http://www.danielpatton.com/kricker/sage/mymusic2.JPG). Any ideas?

In the webradioscreen I get 4 choices (based on the provided text file I assume) and they are all stretched vertically (http://www.danielpatton.com/kricker/sage/webradio.JPG) to fill the space. Is this normal?

We probably have different fonts which caused the first problem to show up for you and not me. I made an adjustment that should fix that for you. I changed the number of stations and found your other problem. I am feeling my way around Studio and have more to learn. I updated the STV in my previous post again.

[dflachbart]

We probably have different fonts which caused the first problem to show up for you and not me. I made an adjustment that should fix that for you. I changed the number of stations and found your other problem. I am feeling my way around Studio and have more to learn. I updated the STV in my previous post again.
Hi Morgan111,

very nice work ... :thumb:

I quickly cooked up an import for this (attached to this post), so that nobody is limited to the custom STV. If you make further changes, it might be a good idea to take this as a base.

There's a reason why the buttons get cut in half in your first mod: SageMC has a limit of 7 buttons maximum in its layout, more is really not possible (otherwise it will interfere with the video preview panel, the button in your latest mod will cut into the video if playing...)

That's the reason why I didn't put the button into the import yet (for now), I have to figure out what's the best solution. Of course we can take out the video preview completely (since it doesnt make much sense when playing radio), but I still see the 8 buttons 'disturbing' the overall MC theme appearance. Will have to think about it ...

Dirk

[snoopy]

Hi Morgan111,

very nice work ... :thumb:Dirk Now that's slick! I like it.

I recently started using the MovieTimes import as well and while not designed for SageMC either it was much easier to set up than once thought.

[snoopy]

I recently started using the MovieTimes import as well and while not designed for SageMC either it was much easier to set up than once thought.Well I sure spoke too soon on that one. It's got all kinds of visual problems in SageMC. I just don't think it will work with it.

[Jason]

That's the reason why I didn't put the button into the import yet (for now), I have to figure out what's the best solution. Of course we can take out the video preview completely (since it doesnt make much sense when playing radio), but I still see the 8 buttons 'disturbing' the overall MC theme appearance. Will have to think about it ...

Dirk


Well, with the ability to rename 'My Menu' to whatever, you could change it to 'My Web Media' ala http://www.mcesoft.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=122

Since this is simply Web Radio right now (and only on the PC...) it is a simple solution...

I hope that further growth of the Web Radio can grow into more of a true 'Web Media' function... RIght now it still only plays Shoutcast streams (no WMA/RAM streams...). If some brave soul can reverse the following program (http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2004/12/21/328265.aspx) to transfer WMA to the jlgui library that it currently uses, then a whole new batch of media comes into play...:rolleyes:

In any case, enough thread camping... Having gotten my wish to play web radio (limited or not...) I am the first one to sing praises! Thanks for porting it to SageMC!

-Jason

[kricker]

Thanks flachbar and Morgan111. You guys are fast! I'll try the import now. I love me some shoutcast radio.....now about that pandora plugin.....;)

btw.
I don't know if this got looked over before, but can someone tell me how to get the remote "numeric text" working within SageMC. If I can get pointed in the right directon, I don't mind doing it myself.

[dflachbart]

I had to make some changes to the Web Radio menu code in the import because I noticed in the debug log that it throws a lot of java Thread exceptions (caused by some animation in re-used menu themes). You will normally not notice those, but I dont know if they would generally affect Sage in any way, and it's better to have everything clean anyway ...

I updated the file attachement in my first link, so feel free to download it again.

Dirk

[Morgan111]

No gurantees on a time, but here is a little tease for something else I wanted in My SageMC... :corn:

http://home.comcast.net/~mp4310/MovieTimes.JPG

[dflachbart]

btw.
I don't know if this got looked over before, but can someone tell me how to get the remote "numeric text" working within SageMC. If I can get pointed in the right directon, I don't mind doing it myself.
Yeah, forgot to respond to this ... :blush:

Numeric text input has not been implemented in SageMC, sorry ...

Dirk

[Morgan111]

I had to make some changes to the Web Radio menu code in the import because I noticed in the debug log that it throws a lot of java Thread exceptions (caused by some animation in re-used menu themes). You will normally not notice those, but I dont know if they would generally affect Sage in any way, and it's better to have everything clean anyway ...

I updated the file attachement in my first link, so feel free to download it again.

Dirk

Thanks Dirk. I'll take a look at your changes and look at the debug log for other things I may create in studio..

[kricker]

I understand, but is it something I can do myself?

[dflachbart]

Thanks Dirk. I'll take a look at your changes and look at the debug log for other things I may create in studio..
Cool. If you have any questions regardin the import code, just let me know. If you get those Movie Theater Times ported :goodjob:, I'll chime in provide another import for it ... :)

Dirk

[dflachbart]

I understand, but is it something I can do myself?
Well, first of all you would need to be quite familiar with Studio. You would need to have a look at the Numeric Text Input screen in the default STV, reimplement it in SageMC with the proper look&feel (unless you dont care), and hook it up to the places where you want to use it...

Dirk

[kricker]

Ok, if I get some time I will play around with it.
Using your web radio import, you can only get to the web radio thru the "My Menu" and not the music screen correct? If so I assume I can edit the music screen in studio to have this button if I so desire. I do understand your issues with having extra buttons and the look and feel of things, as a designer I deal with that stuff everyday. Hopefully I can get my hands dirty with Studio one day and help out.

[dflachbart]

Ok, if I get some time I will play around with it.
Using your web radio import, you can only get to the web radio thru the "My Menu" and not the music screen correct? If so I assume I can edit the music screen in studio to have this button if I so desire. I do understand your issues with having extra buttons and the look and feel of things, as a designer I deal with that stuff everyday. Hopefully I can get my hands dirty with Studio one day and help out.

Yeah, you can add the button, but you also need to modify the button panel to make it bigger.
I attached a screenshot as a help ...

Dirk

[kricker]

Great, thank yo for all the help and your time!

[Jason]

.....now about that pandora plugin.....;)

http://www.techslut.net/544/pandoras-jar-save-a-pandora-stream-to-your-computer

[JUC]

Is the import for webradio supposed to have the 'webradio' button? It only shows up if I use Morgan111's .xml but not dirk's import. I saw that you mentioned you left it out? not sure.
thanks,
JUC


edit: nevermind:( I just found out this does not work with the MVP!

[src666]

Hi there src999,

Here's what I can think of, check the mapping of your "HOME" key in the commands editor in detailed settings. Make sure that there isn't a HOME, and DVD MENU (or something like that) attached to it. I even tried it out, and was able to get the same behaviour you are reporting. It is at least worth a try. If it isn't that, then I am at a loss on this one. gl2u...

Nope - that's the first thing I checked. I even removed the mapping for the home button, and re-added it. Something about that jump to the home page is triggering a disc check.

[bobrap]

Would the latest addon version cause the remember playback position import to stop working? I've tried re-importing and I still can't get it to work. Any chance this will be included in SageMC Addon? Thanks

[dflachbart]

Would the latest addon version cause the remember playback position import to stop working? I've tried re-importing and I still can't get it to work. Any chance this will be included in SageMC Addon? Thanks
Yeah, you probably disabled the stop popup dialog in the new version, right ? In this case the time tracking will not get executed, I will update the plugin when I'll find some time. For now, just enable the dialog again...

Dirk