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nox71

12-17-2006, 08:22 PM

unilsson

01-05-2007, 04:49 PM

Hi,

MDAPI support in SageTV is an excellent suggestion. GBPVR just added support for these plugins and I think SageTV should follow.

:dance:

grooves12

01-05-2007, 06:16 PM

Now that Sage 6.x support DVB-S card (i didn't give it a try for now) i was wondering if someone would be able to implement MDAPI plugin support. On another forum some guys have develop a mdapi directshow filter that work for now with MediaPortal so i am no coder but i was wondering if someone think that this can be possble with Sage. I am currently running Sage with the Mytheatre network encoder and would like to be in only one software solution to solve issue i got.:D

The problem is that (I beleive and someone correct me if I am wrong) but Sage still does not support Deseqc switching... so DVB-S support is less than fully functioning, even if MDAPI support were to be added.

(I am a registered Sage user, but am looking at dropping it and moving to Mediaportal if they are able to finish up their DVB-S support for North American users.)

nox71

01-05-2007, 09:47 PM

For my part i don't need diseqc support and me too i am looking to go back to MP because i hve many issue with SageTV and MTplugin it's crashing SageTV often fo it's not WAF possible for now.

grooves12

01-05-2007, 10:33 PM

For my part i don't need diseqc support and me too i am looking to go back to MP because i hve many issue with SageTV and MTplugin it's crashing SageTV often fo it's not WAF possible for now.

I actually have a pretty stable setup now... but it has taken a LOT to get there. The actual SageTV application never crashes on me... but Mytheatre would when parsing the satellite guide info.

My setup now consists of:

-SageTV with MT plugin
-Mytheatre for the tuning with SageTV plugin
-Mytheatre XMLTV export tool (http://board.mytheatre.ru/dload.php?action=file&file_id=155)
-Zap2it xmltv download script (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39046)
-StephaneM's XMLTV import tool (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17566)
-StephaneM's multi-lineup script (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19826) found in this thread for combining and properly numbering the Zap2it and Mytheatre xmltv files.
-A script to modify the Mytheatre XML data to more closely conform to the Zap2It format.
-A mytheatre timer to tune to the EEPG transponder once per night to download guide info
-An automated nightly restart of Mytheatre.

Then there is the necessary bi-weekly channel scans in Mytheatre because of provider lineup changes that take an hour+ or so to complete (although not completely necessary as most mainstream channels don't regularly change or move.)

Then all the additional applications that need to be installed and ran for additional Sage functionality (commercial skipping, dvd burning, movie trailers etc.) I just wish it was a much cleaner setup.

But, like I said it is working REALLY well now...in fact the nightly restart of Mytheatre may no longer be necessary, but I do it anyways, because it doesn't hurt anything. Its all automated and pretty stable, but it is just COMPLICATED, and makes changes to the setup a PITA. Mytheatre is "quirky" and I would love to just get rid of it all together, but I really think even with Mediaportal or additional DVB-S support I won't have all of the options or features that MT is currently giving me. (although if MediaPortal can give me my radio channels back, I may really be tempted to go that way.)

I am not sure why Sage is crashing on you... and it shouldn't because mine will stay up and running for a loooong time, although I hav been tweaking it a lot lately so I have rarely gone 72 hours without a reboot in the last couple of weeks. But, I have had it up for weeks at a time without touching anything with the current setup.

debennett2

02-23-2007, 04:49 PM

Bump!!! What's the chances of enabling this filter to work in Sage? Thanks.

travisbell

02-25-2007, 02:54 PM

MediaPortal has MDAPI support as well, it would be nice to see it in Sage.

Cheers,

Alfiegerner

02-25-2007, 04:03 PM

Anyone who wants this supported in Sage should make an official feature request, you can do this using the bug submission form.

svalmorri

02-26-2007, 01:26 PM

Andy (Opus4) can you confirm us that the Bug Submission form is the preferred way to request this new feature to be implemented? We would not stress too much with "not-bug" issues.

Thanks for your advise!

Opus4

02-26-2007, 01:47 PM

You can make suggestions by emailing support or using a bug report. I don't think it really matters which one. I'll let pople know if I ever hear differently. :)

- Andy

nox71

03-05-2007, 10:57 AM

I know that the mdapifilter used for MP is a directshow filter and i know that someone has made a plugin for sage that can use a graph as an input source for SageTV so i am wondering if we should take a look in that direction.

Anyone have an advice on that ?

here is the link to the plugin: http://www.nolberger.se/Sage/GraphRecorder/Default.htm

travisbell

03-05-2007, 11:02 AM

Good call. I wonder this as well.

svalmorri

03-05-2007, 06:20 PM

I made the suggestion to the Support team via the Bug Submit form and I got an answer that looks promising: "...we are looking into this..."

nox71

03-05-2007, 07:19 PM

Great i think i gonna submit a bug too about that so if everybody do the same that may make the things move faster so one for all and all for one my friend !!!:clap: :clap:

nox71

03-07-2007, 07:33 PM

So i did my homework and submit a bug form to Sage about supporting MDAPI plugin and here is the answer i got back: Unfortunately they are not supported, but I will forward this to the developers as a suggestion.

Thanks,

So now everybody interested in support for MDAPI should do the same !

See Ya :D

debennett2

03-12-2007, 05:49 PM

Bump!!! Sorry...couldn't help myself....

travisbell

03-12-2007, 05:58 PM

I got a reply saying they are looking into it. Only thing left to do now is cross your fingers :)

bjkiller

10-08-2007, 05:37 AM

any advance on the issue? :jump:

rjg

12-11-2007, 10:28 AM

Any updates on this? Anyone?

-Robert

debennett2

12-11-2007, 10:32 AM

It would finally make Sage useful to me. The current setup is so darn unstable and slow. Come on guys! MDAPI support!

Zorglub

12-11-2007, 10:46 AM

Yes, this would finally give me a stable setup that I can use without having to reboot on a regular basis... :bang:

Pleeeeeeeese !

bjkiller

12-11-2007, 10:53 AM

Pleeeeeeeeeeeese !!!

JREkiwi

12-11-2007, 12:28 PM

Have you looked at the 6.3 beta? or this (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28324) thread?

John

rjg

12-11-2007, 12:38 PM

Yeah, the time it takes to change channels is crazy.. :(

bjkiller

12-11-2007, 01:47 PM

Have you looked at the 6.3 beta? or this (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28324) thread?

John

why just not to manage this standard MD-API for stream processing?

rjg

12-11-2007, 01:54 PM

Have you looked at the 6.3 beta? or this (http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28324) thread?

John

Does it actually work? Someone asked about it, but never received a response... :D

-Robert

debennett2

12-11-2007, 03:39 PM

Anyone?

JREkiwi

12-11-2007, 04:24 PM

why just not to manage this standard MD-API for stream processing?
I don't understand what that means

John

debennett2

12-18-2007, 04:08 PM

BUMP

gianpieroizzo

04-25-2008, 10:29 AM

any news on this ?
I tried as well to submit a request, but I had no answer :bang:

Jabroni

05-04-2008, 01:41 AM

Well Ive been using DVBDream w/ the network encoder and it has worked GREAT for me.. SD/HD content.. WAAAY better than my previous MT setup.. I mean for now I can live with that while theres MDAPI support w/ disec and all that is required :)

gianpieroizzo

05-06-2008, 08:26 AM

grooves12

05-06-2008, 08:09 PM

I know that it works... but try to convince my wife waiting 10 seconds in order to change channel... and add the cost of each remote thrown out of the window :)
Seriously, the network encoder is a good work around, but surely not the solution. Unless I'm missing something: is there a way to speed up the channel change process ?

Gian Piero

Are you using the MT or DVBDream plugin... because channel changes are pretty quick with DD. Only problem is i have no solution for the guide data on sports subscription channels and out of market locals that i can get through DD.

gianpieroizzo

05-14-2008, 11:17 AM

johnnytyler

05-14-2008, 11:30 AM

Grooves12,

Yes but what about the DVBDREAM pluginin using the HD extender, specficially have you had any luck with the HD channels?

grooves12

05-14-2008, 11:27 PM

Grooves12,

Yes but what about the DVBDREAM pluginin using the HD extender, specficially have you had any luck with the HD channels?

I don't use an HD extender... I only have one tv and watch/record from one PC. HD works fine for me in that setup.

johnnytyler

05-15-2008, 09:28 AM

Thanks for the update Grooves12, I was wondering if anyone else has had success with the DVDDREAM plugin with an HD extender?

StephaneM

05-15-2008, 10:11 AM

Ok, I tried to set it up with DVBDream (which I didn't know and it is really impressive, great work!), but I'm still unsatisfied. The channel changes takes up to 5 seconds, which is fairly acceptable, but I'm now missing the capability to change audio track, which I used often to switch between english and italian.If you don't mind spending 15 € for DVBViewer, you can also use my DVBViewer Recorder plugin:

* It does feature fast channel change for back to back shows (less than a second), though the first tuning will be slow (it depends on how fast is your CAM, and how happy SageTV will be with the TS recorded file for your channel)

* You'll be able to change audio streams, as well as having Teletext subtitles.

Regards,
Stéphane.

gianpieroizzo

05-16-2008, 12:08 AM

Hi Stephane,

I tried as well DVBViewer with your tool, very well done.
Unfortunately in channel change DVBViewer+encoder resulted to be slower than DVBDream+encoder (the feeling is that DVBViewer is slower than DVBDream): it took up to 7 seconds, and so it didn't pass the WAF test :-(

StephaneM

05-16-2008, 09:58 AM

it took up to 7 seconds, and so it didn't pass the WAF test :-(You need to upgrade or patch your wife :). Though seriously 7 sec. seems fine for me (doesn't lower my WAF here). The only thing that was really annoying was 7 sec. delay between shows or channel change. The latest version of the DVBViewer Recorder has a new option to have quick back to back recordings. With this feature enabled the channel switch is as fast as (faster for me) native SageTV DVB.

gianpieroizzo

05-28-2008, 08:38 AM

I made some more investigations on this issue, and here follows my conclusions:

- DVBDream is incredibly faster than DVBViewer in changing channel... something like less than 2 secs against 7 or more.
- Unfortunately DVBDream is a bit more unstable with my NDSCam software, so it is not so reliable. Moreover the network encoder plugin for sage has this annoying problem of no alternative language available.
- DVBViewer works better, but I couldn't pass the basic test: normal human being can't stand ten seconds in front of a frozen screen :-)

Solution: the MDapi support inside Sage with correct management of h.264 flows will just close all this issues.
Workaround: Stephane... never thougth about enlarging your tool allowing to use DVBDream as network encoder ?

ciao everybody
Gian Piero

StephaneM

05-28-2008, 12:13 PM

DVBViewer works better, but I couldn't pass the basic test: normal human being can't stand ten seconds in front of a frozen screen :-)Maybe with the latest version of DVBViewer things will improve...

Stephane... never thougth about enlarging your tool allowing to use DVBDream as network encoder ?I don't think I can: DVBDream doesn't work very well on my test PC and doesn't feature the API I need to make a reliable recorder service.