STV: MlbDude SageTV 2 Skin - Updated June 5, Version 1.4.1

[mlbdude]

Hello all,

Since SageTV 2 is released I guess it is time to publish my first modified SageTV skin. If you have any questions about the skin please post them here. I also welcome suggestions and feature requests as long as you keep in mind that I have limited time and final say (or my wife does at least) as to what goes in.

Thanks and enjoy!

MlbDude SageTV Skin (http://download.sage.tv/~mlbdude/)

1.0 First Release May 12 2004

1.1 May 12 2004
Added List View for Video Library

1.2 May 13 2004
Up or Down will now bring up Mini-Guide in Enhanced OSD
Back command in Enhanced OSD will first close any OSD items if they are open. If not it will go to the previous menu as usual.
Bug Fix: When playback of a Video Library file was finished it was always going back to Folder View regardless of user setting.
Removed List View\Folder View button from Video Library.
Added Options button to Video Library.
Added Folder View\List View toggle
Added Hide File Extensions toggle
Added Property video_lib_hide_delete. Will hide the Delete Now button in Recording Details IF it is a Library File.
EXPERIMENTAL: Added Advanced Setup\Multimedia\SageTV (.STV File) setting from Narflex that will let the user change STV's on the fly. Will only show up on Server though and not a Client.
Modified List View so that Right command works like Select.

1.3 May 28 2004
Added upcoming recording and currently recording mini-browsers to Main Menu.
Modified Category Browser and Station Browser to a more unified look and feel.
Many fixes in the Enhanced OSD (mainly missing key mappings).
Added Custom1 command to Enhanced OSD. Trigering this will bring up the full LiveTV Guide.
Added TimeSlot property to Detailed Favorite menu. This will limit a favorite to a specific time.
Modified Video Library to support ripped DVD's that use the XXXXX_TS folder structure. Place the folder.jpg in the folder containing the two _TS folders.

1.3.1 May 29 2004
Fixed problem in Enhanced OSD where progress bar would come on and not go away.
All DVD-ROM playback now goes to the old Frey OSD - I don't want that responsibility :).

1.4 Beta 1 May 29 2004
Added new Sage Recordings view. Enable it via Detailed Setup\Advanced\Use Enhanced Sage Recordings.

1.4 Beta 2 May 30 2004
Undid change to send all DVD-ROM playback to olds OSD. Was too unpredictable.
Added quick select pop-up to new Sage Recordings menu. Just issue a Select when the group section is selected.
Added properties to allow use to set font size and row counts to video library.
ui/video_library_list_num_rows=6
video_lib_folder_font_size=18
video_lib_list_font_size=24
Added properties to allow user to modify Main Menu to their liking. Also added a new item to Main menu but it is disabled by default: Watch LiveTV. NOTE: These properties may not show up until you launch Sage for the first time with the updated STV.
ui/main_menu_livetv_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_livetv_text=LiveTV Guide
ui/main_menu_mlib_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_mlib_text=Media Library & DVD
ui/main_menu_schedrec_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_schedrec_text=Schedule Recordings
ui/main_menu_setup_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_setup_text=Setup
ui/main_menu_sleep_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_sleep_text=Sleep Mode
ui/main_menu_sr_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_sr_text=SageTV Recordings
ui/main_menu_tv_enabled=false
ui/main_menu_tv_text=Watch TV
Fixed issue with left arrow and mouse in new Sage Recordings menu.

1.4 Beta 3 May 31 2004
Added back in two-pane horizontal SageRecordings menu. Should not have any of the old issues though when you return to the menu focus is forced to the left pane. Menu also has advanced grouping and sorting capabilities for both the left and right pane so check it out.
Moved SageRecordings choice to Detaild Setup\Advanced\Multimedia\Sage Recordings Menu.

1.4 June 1 2004
Fixed Mini-Guide in regards to missing guide data.
Changed Sage Recordings Two-Pane Horizontal view to have 5 rows.
All new Sage Recordings menus now show the group name and count when a group is selected.
Fixed Sage Recordings Two-Pane views to include currently recording show(s).
Added code to attempt to restore focus to appropriate group when coming back to the Two-Pane Horizontal view.

1.4.1 June 5 2004
Fixed issue with DVD menu navigation if you use the combo Up\Chan Up type commands.
Added new sort to all Sage Recording menus - Origional Air Date Newest First, and Origional Air Date Oldest First.

[Jack_PVR]

Great, really makes the Video library much easier to use.

Is there a way to switch from icon view to just a text list in the video library ?

Either way, nice work, thanks!

[mlbdude]

No, but that is a good idea :).

[SHS]

In way that good idea but I think one area that may run in to is LONG FOLDER NAMES.

[Rob]

I can't wait to try this out. For DVD's it is exactly what I'm wanting. Cover art to select from and a hook into Theatertek.

First question that comes to mind is: Can command line parms be passed to Theatertek from this? If they can, it would be cool if the parms could be picked up from the directory where the DVD is stored. This way filmed based material could use ffdshow and video based material could skip the post processing.

Second question: Could a similar setup be done for music? Maybe we could get WMA's to show this way and then play with the window's media player.

I'm just kind of thinking outloud, since these are the two areas that make studio most interesting for me.

Thanks for what you've done mlbdude. This is awsome.

[mlbdude]

Checkout the attachment for what may become the Video Library list view.

Rob,

First question: Possibly.

Second: I have been thinking about this myself. More so for just a way to let me organize my mp3's using folders. I may just add a property so you could launch them in an external app like the DVD change.

[gplasky]

Sweet look to the Video Library list view. And good job overall.

Gerry

[edbmdave]

Can you add an option that will hide/not show the file extension on videos? ie. not show .avi .mpg .divx, etc???? for the video module.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by edbmdave
Can you add an option that will hide/not show the file extension on videos? ie. not show .avi .mpg .divx, etc???? for the video module.

For filtering or total exclusion? To totally exclude them you can do that with your properties file. I think you want filtering though.

[Jere_Jones]

I think what he means is hide the extension itself. For example if the file name was "Terminator 2.avi" then only "Terminator 2" would show up.

I would also like this feature.

BTW, regarding the MlbDude Skin, just gotta say "WOW!!"

Thanks...

[mlbdude]

Well to do that now, put the file in its own directory all by itself. Sage will then display it using the directories name.

For example: M:\Movies\Comedy\American Wedding\American Wedding.avi

If American Wedding.avi is the only video file in that directory it will use the folder name. In order to take advantage of the folder.jpg you need them in their own dir anyway.

[mlbdude]

Updated to now allow user to switch between a folder or list view for the Video Library.

[edbmdave]

Yes. I mean that when it is in the List View.. hide the extension.. So what I would see would be..

Star Wars IV - A New Hope
Star Wars V - The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars VI - Return of the Jedi

and not

Star Wars IV - A New Hope.avi
Star Wars V - The Empire Strikes Back.avi
Star Wars VI - Return of the Jedi.avi

I will try the Folder view and see how my wife likes it. But I would like the list view w/o extensions... (Make it a flag in the properties file???)

[mlbdude]

Try it out. It should work in list view as well.

[Jack_PVR]

MlbDude great, list view works perfect for me!

Quick question, I have kids using the system and the "Delete Now" option scares me! They could push it in error etc, maybe others could comment too...

Maybe an alternative would be to have an Admin button that brings up other buttons like delete now, rename, etc, or force the user to confirm the deletion by entering a code.

You'll probably have a better idea, but delete now could be trouble here....

Thanks again!

[Coolwave]

Sweeeeet.. I've been waiting for so long to use the miniguide you gave us a look at probably over a month ago. Yay!

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Coolwave
Sweeeeet.. I've been waiting for so long to use the miniguide you gave us a look at probably over a month ago. Yay!

Happy surfing :).

Jack_PVR,

I was wondering if I should just not hide the delete now button and force us to use the file system (Explorer) to do all the admin stuff. I may include an option to hide that in the next build.


Thanks for all the great feedback everyone!

[Jack_PVR]

Hiding/removing the "Delete Now" sounds great to me. Any videos I have in my import folders are those I want to keep around.

If fact just playing the video directly without going to the Watch Now screen would work too.


I noticed something when I am playing a video or watching TV and I go to the Video LIbrary and select a video, the final screen shows a window of what currently is playing.

Is it supposed to do that, or preview the new selected video?

[edbmdave]

Did I misundertand, I still see the file extensions in the list mode. Did I do something wrong?

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by edbmdave
Did I misundertand, I still see the file extensions in the list mode. Did I do something wrong?

You hopefully have :).

Attached is an image of my folder Movies\Comedy. Under that are sub-folder with one .avi in each. When I click on any of these I am taken to the Recording Detail menu in Sage.

Give me a screen cap of what you are seeing. That will help.

[justme]

Could you place some kind of info(whatever ext you like) file in the dir with the media file that stores extended info about the file? This could also hold an alternate file name to be used if present. To make sure the info file is matched to the correct media file you can have the info file named the same as the true media file.

just an idea. :)

[gplasky]

Maybe you just need to set your options in Windows to hide known file extensions?

Gerry

[SHS]

mlbdude I like that you did with the Folder View but that 3 Plane Category Browser which very hard to work with a mouse
I dig that External DVD Launcher was killer idea. :D

[edbmdave]

I downloaded version 1_1 of the skin and I still see the file extensions in the list view. The only time I don't is when they are nested in a folder then I just see the folder name. If I open the folder I see the files in that folder with their corresponding extensions.


I attached a screenshot (zipped). I have just now uninstalled and reinstalled from scratch (deleting everything in the Frey directories prior to re-installing, and they still show up.)

Also I don't see the Browse Airings by Catagory or Browse Airings by Station anywhere

What did/am I do/ing wrong?

[Opus4]

Originally posted by SHS
that 3 Plane Category Browser which very hard to work with a mouseYou can turn off the mouse auto-tracking. (ui/focus_follows_mouse=false) I like using auto-tracking, but you are certainly correct that it wreaks havoc on the 3 pane screen -- it takes some careful mouse movement not to highlight the wrong items! :)

- Andy

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by edbmdave
I downloaded version 1_1 of the skin and I still see the file extensions in the list view. The only time I don't is when they are nested in a folder then I just see the folder name. If I open the folder I see the files in that folder with their corresponding extensions.


I attached a screenshot (zipped). I have just now uninstalled and reinstalled from scratch (deleting everything in the Frey directories prior to re-installing, and they still show up.)

Also I don't see the Browse Airings by Catagory or Browse Airings by Station anywhere

What did/am I do/ing wrong?

It looks like you have one folder in your system and all the files dumped in there. The menu was designed to work with some kind of folder structure.

I would recommend setting up your files as I have in the attached image. I just added the root drive to Sage. Maybe it has something to do with how you added the files to Sage?

All the Browse menus are under Schedule Recordings\Search for Programs to Record.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by SHS
mlbdude I like that you did with the Folder View but that 3 Plane Category Browser which very hard to work with a mouse
I dig that External DVD Launcher was killer idea. :D

There are some "issues" internal to Sage with 2 pane menu's that I don't know how to work around. You can imagine they will be even worse with 3 pane. It is funky with the mouse. It is really designed to be used with a remote.

[SHS]

Just an idea but can just add something to sel freeze for pane menu's?.

[kny3twalker]

hey mlbdude can you post a copy of your properties file so I can see better how you listed the pictures for the library and how to map the library folder so I get no file extensions

I have not tried yet just wanted another resource before I give a shot

[mlbdude]

The explorer_view.jpg image above is the best help. I don't put anything special (just use defaults) in my properties file with this menu so you should be set.

[kny3twalker]

oh so just put the picture in the folder with the files

sweet

thanks and the properties line was just so they show up

sorry a little confused

but still sweet

Thanks
Robert

[edbmdave]

Ok, I see what you did.

That will work well for more static entries like movies stuff. I have actually gone and now created catagories and done very similiar to what you did.

But, if I can request it...

I still would like to have the ability to have a list view that has multiple files in one folder, listing the files w/o the extensions. To give a better idea. I have all my stored episodes of some TV (Blues Clues, Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park) shows. Some with over a 100 episodes that I would like to list in just one directory instead of having to create a subfolder for each one. I I like the thought of creating one image for the whole subfolder so all of friends or whatever has the same icon.. Can this be done?

Also I would like to add my vote to removing the delete option from the video library (imported) as anything in the library I intended to keep. Once I have Divx'd them and put them in my library area I consider them permanently archived. I would rather handle deleting them through file explorer.

Also Is it possible to put or use the parental code to access a folder? I would like to prevent unwanted access from folders that contain material my daughter is too young for. Something like creating a file with by the name or rating or something that contains mapping to the parential controls and uses the partial control code for access??? I would perfer it at a folder level verses a file level for the my video library.

PS. This thing ROCKS!!!!!

I have never been so close to digital nirvana!!!

[mlbdude]

OK edbmdave. You win :). You actually reminded me of my South Park collection that may be moving to the server.

Look for another release by the end of the weekend with some tweaks - probably including a property to hide the delete button as well.

Thanks all!

[edbmdave]

Thank You!!:goodjob: :) :) :) :) :) :) :p :p :p :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

[Muchacho]

I have not had the time to upgrade from Beta 15 so I cant really try it out for myself. I was wondering if the same folder system that you made for the video library hold true for the music library? Will it show album covers from folders with folder.jpg files? That would be a great addition IMO if it is not already added. I dont really feel like embedding all the album covers into my whole mp3 collection... Thanks

[Capt Dean]

Originally posted by Muchacho
... I was wondering if the same folder system that you made for the video library hold true for the music library? Will it show album covers from folders with folder.jpg files? That would be a great addition IMO if it is not already added. I dont really feel like embedding all the album covers into my whole mp3 collection...

I second that! Your mod is absolutely awesome. This would be my #1 request too. I ripped all me CDs a long time ago, but didn't embed albumn art. ... folder.jpg would be great.

The recording icon I saw in another mod would be nice too.

Oh yeah, 1 other thing I think would "complete" my wish list would be the ability to sort the archived recordings files like we can with imported video files... with folders, art, etc.

All these features in 1 mod.... WOW things would be great. Huge WAF for this one!

Keep up the excellent work!

[mlbdude]

New Version 1.2

May 13 2004
Up or Down will now bring up Mini-Guide in Enhanced OSD

Back command in Enhanced OSD will first close any OSD items if they are open. If not it will go to the previous menu as usual.

Bug Fix: When playback of a Video Library file was finished it was always going back to Folder View regardless of user setting.

Removed List View\Folder View button from Video Library.

Added Options button to Video Library.
Added Folder View\List View toggle
Added Hide File Extensions toggle

Added Property video_lib_hide_delete. Will hide the Delete Now button in Recording Details IF it is a Library File.

EXPERIMENTAL: Added Advanced Setup\Multimedia\SageTV (.STV File) setting from Narflex that will let the user change STV's on the fly. Will only show up on Server though and not a Client.

Modified List View so that Right command works like Select.

[Jack_PVR]

Wow your fast....

How do we use the video_lib_hide_delete,
create entry in the sage.properties, maybe you can give an example ?

[mlbdude]

You can, it will be auto-created the first time you go to the Recording Details menu otherwise. I guess I should have said to run the STV first then you can close and edit the properties file :).

[Jack_PVR]

You just made a good thing better.
Works great, thanks for releasing it!

[JasonJoel]

Awww... Only works on server? That stinks. I hope Jeff adds that capability to the client someday. I do 100% of my viewing from the client, and it would be nice to have an easy way to switch STV files there too.

Jason

Originally posted by mlbdude
EXPERIMENTAL: Added Advanced Setup\Multimedia\SageTV (.STV File) setting from Narflex that will let the user change STV's on the fly. Will only show up on Server though and not a Client.

[lovingHDTV]

Question: I have ripped some DVDs to a directory structure like you showed. C:\Movies\Animation\Toy Story\VIDEO_TS. The directory VIDEO_TS contains all the vob files from the DVD. Is there a way to get this identified, then use the folder.jpg that is in the same directory for display?

It seems only some key file extensions are recognized. For example, if I create a file called movie.avi everything shows up, but without that nothing shows.

thanks,

[mikejaner]

Mlbdude,
Great skin mod!!
I have a couple of suggestions. I like hitting up and down to get the miniguide. Can you make the normal guide pop up with guide button again? Also I can't turn off the miniguide with hitting left.

[kny3twalker]

I got a bug
I do not know if it was with SageTV or with your skin
but I started watching futurama about half way through it recording

when it reached 10 minutes through the show, it jumped foward probably about ten minutes in the show

I watched to the end and the show ended on the correct 30 minute mark

I went back to the place where it jumped foward 10 minutes and it would do it everytime

I then noticed the file position clock and it was fast

it was doing almost 2 seconds for every one

I went to check the file on the harddrive

and there were two files for the show of futurama with this title

the first was the first ten minutes of the show
and the second was the last ten minutes of the show

there was no file for the middle of the show, lost ten minutes

I hope it has not done this for all my shows today
I have not checked yet

it could just be a bug with me starting a video while it is being recorded

anyways why is sage breaking shows into more than one file

[edbmdave]

Now my video library is completely functional!!!!

How do I buy you a beer or something???

Now, have a more stylistic issues. I personally don't like the menu namings of "imported" on my video library and picture library. I think that is unnecessary and confusing. I want to remove it. And for the main menu, the concept of a Media Library should contain the Music Jukebox as well. Music is a media. I would like to see the "Music Jukebox" moved under the Media Library, and the Media Library to look more like this:

DVD
SageTV Recordings (from main menu)
Archived TV Shows
Video Library
Music Library (Music Jukebox from main)
Picture Library
Game Library (MAME new stuff)
Refresh Libraries

In the Music Library, In the List by Album view (which I would perfer sorted by Artist somehow), I would like to be able to left click or Options on the album icon and allow me to play the album and just the album.

Last. I would really like to hide Setup from the main menu (properties switch?) so that my wife and kids don't stumble into it and cause me and themselves endless grief...

So the Main Menu Would be more like:

LiveTV Guide
Schedule Recordings
Media Library
Sleep

Just my thoughts. (Althought toggling off setup is my highest level request) This would create a menu layout I think my wife and family would be able to easily understand and use.

Any other thoughts??

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by kny3twalker
I got a bug
I do not know if it was with SageTV or with your skin
but I started watching futurama about half way through it recording

anyways why is sage breaking shows into more than one file

That should not have anything to do with me.

[edbmdave]

Originally posted by edbmdave
Now my video library is completely functional!!!!

How do I buy you a beer or something???

Now, have a more stylistic issues. I personally don't like the menu namings of "imported" on my video library and picture library. I think that is unnecessary and confusing. I want to remove it. And for the main menu, the concept of a Media Library should contain the Music Jukebox as well. Music is a media. I would like to see the "Music Jukebox" moved under the Media Library, and the Media Library to look more like this:

DVD
SageTV Recordings (from main menu)
Archived TV Shows
Video Library
Music Library (Music Jukebox from main)
Picture Library
Game Library (MAME new stuff)
Refresh Libraries

In the Music Library, In the List by Album view (which I would perfer sorted by Artist somehow), I would like to be able to left click or Options on the album icon and allow me to play the album and just the album.

Last. I would really like to hide Setup from the main menu (properties switch?) so that my wife and kids don't stumble into it and cause me and themselves endless grief...

So the Main Menu Would be more like:

LiveTV Guide
Schedule Recordings
Media Library
Sleep

Just my thoughts. (Althought toggling off setup is my highest level request) This would create a menu layout I think my wife and family would be able to easily understand and use.

Any other thoughts??


And as I am spelling out my wishlist, also add to the main menu an item called "Local Information"

It would contain, a weather module, a local theater movie listing module and a lite web client that could be used to show a portal page, so I could show some thing like an events bulletin board or something that is like the house calendar.

And then finally for those of us with FM Radio abilities a FM Radio Module.

[Muchacho]

I would like to order asian food and/or pizza from the "Local Information" menu. Just kidding...

[spanky]

Hey Mlb great skin! I have one problem though. I may be totally dense but I cannot for the life of me figure out where and how to switch to the Station Browser view. This is something I've wanted for awhile. If anyone could cut through the fog for me it would be highly appreciated.

[mlbdude]

It is under the Search menu.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by lovingHDTV
Question: I have ripped some DVDs to a directory structure like you showed. C:\Movies\Animation\Toy Story\VIDEO_TS. The directory VIDEO_TS contains all the vob files from the DVD. Is there a way to get this identified, then use the folder.jpg that is in the same directory for display?

It seems only some key file extensions are recognized. For example, if I create a file called movie.avi everything shows up, but without that nothing shows.

thanks,

This only works with video library files. What happens if you add .vob to the library extensions in the properties file?

Maybe this will require another Menu.

[spanky]

Ahhh, figures, the one place I didn't look. Many thanks Mlbdude!

[lovingHDTV]

I tried to add vob but that did not work. I tried moving the files from the VIDEO_TS directory up one level to where the folder.jpg resides, but then the built in player could not find the files and I got an error.

Any other ideas?

thanks,

[Opus4]

I don't think I've seen this mentioned, but maybe I overlooked it: when you are on the Browse by XX screens, the 'back' arrow at the top next to "SageTV" simply toggles between 2 of the panes. The Back command via key comamnd or windows message works, however.

Edit: I suppose this may be one of those 2-pane issues you mentioned earlier?

Edit2: What kind of comments do you want here? Some things don't work the same as the original stv, such as time scroll not obeying its set value in the properties file. I don't know if you want general interface things, or anything that doesn't work as expected. :)

- Andy

[Boxster_T]

Hi MlbDude, I hope you can help me out.

I've ripped my DVD's into folders such as "x:\Action\Air Force One\VIDEO_TS\...". The VIDEO_TS folder has .IFO, .VOB and the folder.jpg image.

With the original Sage Skin, the media library found all the movies. With the MlbDude skin, these movies are listed in the Imported Picture Files area. The skin correctly displays them in folder structure.

Why does the skin import DVD's into the picture library? Of course all I can do is view the jpg, not play the movies.

Tom

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Boxster_T
Hi MlbDude, I hope you can help me out.

I've ripped my DVD's into folders such as "x:\Action\Air Force One\VIDEO_TS\...". The VIDEO_TS folder has .IFO, .VOB and the folder.jpg image.

With the original Sage Skin, the media library found all the movies. With the MlbDude skin, these movies are listed in the Imported Picture Files area. The skin correctly displays them in folder structure.

Why does the skin import DVD's into the picture library? Of course all I can do is view the jpg, not play the movies.

Tom

The Picture Library will import any .jpg you have in your library path - I can't change that.

This Video Library reads files a Little different than the standard one so it is possible (and from evidence from others users above) I don't think it will work with ripped DVD's. I may look into this at some point.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Opus4
I don't think I've seen this mentioned, but maybe I overlooked it: when you are on the Browse by XX screens, the 'back' arrow at the top next to "SageTV" simply toggles between 2 of the panes. The Back command via key comamnd or windows message works, however.

Edit: I suppose this may be one of those 2-pane issues you mentioned earlier?


This is something with the multi pane stuff. That mouse icon is actually issuing a Beft command and not a back command. I may be able to override it but not sure how yet as I don't want to change Frey's shared parts.



Edit2: What kind of comments do you want here? Some things don't work the same as the original stv, such as time scroll not obeying its set value in the properties file. I don't know if you want general interface things, or anything that doesn't work as expected. :)

- Andy

That will be user discretion :). There are little nuances that feel different in mine throughout. However, that is not one of them. Nice catch.

[Jere_Jones]

Try setting the hidden attribute on the folder.jpg file.

If it works, I'll explain why. If not, I didn't say anything... ;)

[mlbdude]

The reason I added the property in the properties file that lets you define the folder image is for people who use the Picture Library. You can change it in the properties file to look for folder.img and name your folder images that as well and since .img is not imported into the Picture Library they won't go there.

I am just lazy I guess and don't use the Picture Library so I forgot about that. Sorry :).

[oshapir]

Hi MlbDude,

First, thanks for your great!!! skin for SageTV 2 - this was the reason I moved to SageTV from ShowShifter 3.

But, I think there is a missing Red Rectangle indication for manual recording, on the info. overlay when I press the RECORD botton on my remote. The original skin has that indication...
...not that I'm saying you should make the same indication rectangle...a flashing red RECORDING or a filled red circle...would be great!

Thanks,
Oren.

[mlbdude]

If you are speaking of the colored line that would appear around the description part of the Frey OSD then it is missing but intentionally. I have that :).

[oshapir]

Would/when it be back??? :nod:

[aeye8712]

Is there any way you could make the number of columns in the thumbnail view for videos configurable? I've got over 200 videos and while I like the thumbnail view, 100 rows is too many to scroll through. My screen is big enough that 5 across would still be clear and then I'd only have 40 rows.

Thanks.

[mlbdude]

Read the instructions on the website again. You can do that now.

[xlr8shun]

mlbdude, i noticed that while using your stv, and using your 2 pane recording setup, that after you watch a recorded show.. (and sage goes back to the recorded shows menu) the recorded shows section is the OLD default single pane layout. i have to press the back key a few times, or press the menu button, and go to the recorded shows option from the main menu to get your 2 pane layout to show up.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by xlr8shun
mlbdude, i noticed that while using your stv, and using your 2 pane recording setup, that after you watch a recorded show.. (and sage goes back to the recorded shows menu) the recorded shows section is the OLD default single pane layout. i have to press the back key a few times, or press the menu button, and go to the recorded shows option from the main menu to get your 2 pane layout to show up.

I no longer support the 2-pane view but I will make sure that the one Frey now puts out does not do that. Thanks!

[Rob]

Originally posted by mlbdude

This Video Library reads files a Little different than the standard one so it is possible (and from evidence from others users above) I don't think it will work with ripped DVD's. I may look into this at some point.

I just wanted to beg for this......

So here goes: Please, please, please....

[RedCoat999]

Originally posted by mlbdude
The reason I added the property in the properties file that lets you define the folder image is for people who use the Picture Library. You can change it in the properties file to look for folder.img and name your folder images that as well and since .img is not imported into the Picture Library they won't go there.

I am just lazy I guess and don't use the Picture Library so I forgot about that. Sorry :).

What is the setting to change? Thanks for the skin MlbDude by the way

[mlbdude]

library_image=folder.jpg

Change it to whatever you want. I have tested folder.img and it worked fine.

[mlbdude]

I have a new beta STV that I would like some testers for. It has one major change.

Favorite Time-Slots

If you have a favorite that is on more than once a day and Sage is unable to determine that they are unique this is for you!

Go to the web-page in the first post and you can download the STV from the bottom of the page.

Let me know how it goes.

NOTES: Sage will display the name of the favorite everywhere with an internal code that represents the Time-Slot. It is not pretty but does not hurt anything. It will look like 2^19. You will know it when you see it. I may decide to try and parse it out later but I would have to do that all over the place:)

Thanks!

[cgrey]

mlbdude, your STV has made Sage 2 nearly perfect for me. I have two comments:

1 - I don't know if there's anything that can be done about this, but, the Enhanced OSD "guide" is active even while playing a DVD. This 'breaks' DVD Menu navigation, as the up/down buttons activate it, as opposed to maneuvering through the DVD's menu. Can it be made 'smart' enough to disable while in DVD mode?

2 - Not necessarily a request that you implement, but rather a question of someone who's had a chance to really play with Studio and see what it can do - do you see that Studio will have the ability to create something similar to "metadata files" for library functions? Meaning, if I have a large library of videos, I could set up some sort of DB that contains descriptions of the files, cover art, etc? Probably a project I'll tackle when I can get my hands on Studio - if I can make that happen for my video library, it would allow Sage to be my sole HTPC app.

Thanks for your hard work with your STV, and for your answers to the above.

[fidget]

Originally posted by mlbdude
I have a new beta STV that I would like some testers for. It has one major change.

Favorite Time-Slots

If you have a favorite that is on more than once a day and Sage is unable to determine that they are unique this is for you!

Go to the web-page in the first post and you can download the STV from the bottom of the page.

Let me know how it goes.

NOTES: Sage will display the name of the favorite everywhere with an internal code that represents the Time-Slot. It is not pretty but does not hurt anything. It will look like 2^19. You will know it when you see it. I may decide to try and parse it out later but I would have to do that all over the place:)

Thanks! Is this STV a server side only one, or will it work on the client (or just the client)?

[mlbdude]

This will work on either client or server. The only part that is tricky on the Client is that it needs the same driver mappings for Library files as the server does for the images to come through (if the server is looking for m:\movies\comedy\movie.jpg then the client needs to be able to find it from the same path).

[davey_fl]

mlbdude: I tried your STV today and I get crazy ghosting on all menus and the background is gone. I'm using overlay instead of VMR9, but it should still work right?

thx

davey

[mlbdude]

Which version of STV? Video background? Overlay color keying on or off?

Anything is possible but this is the first I have heard that :).

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by cgrey
mlbdude, your STV has made Sage 2 nearly perfect for me. I have two comments:

1 - I don't know if there's anything that can be done about this, but, the Enhanced OSD "guide" is active even while playing a DVD. This 'breaks' DVD Menu navigation, as the up/down buttons activate it, as opposed to maneuvering through the DVD's menu. Can it be made 'smart' enough to disable while in DVD mode?

2 - Not necessarily a request that you implement, but rather a question of someone who's had a chance to really play with Studio and see what it can do - do you see that Studio will have the ability to create something similar to "metadata files" for library functions? Meaning, if I have a large library of videos, I could set up some sort of DB that contains descriptions of the files, cover art, etc? Probably a project I'll tackle when I can get my hands on Studio - if I can make that happen for my video library, it would allow Sage to be my sole HTPC app.

Thanks for your hard work with your STV, and for your answers to the above.

#1 This is fixed and will be available in my next update.

#2 Hard to think of something that cannot be done with Studio :).

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by davey_fl
mlbdude: I tried your STV today and I get crazy ghosting on all menus and the background is gone. I'm using overlay instead of VMR9, but it should still work right?

thx

davey

Davey,

Switching between the Original and my STV I cannot duplicate any different behavior in my STV in Overlay. When you loaded my STV did you restart Sage (or not necessary if you manually edited the properties file)?

[davey_fl]

I manually edited the properties file and then started sage back up. Overlay on, Color keying disabled, no video background, 3d enabled... this is with V1.2

thx

davey

[cgrey]

Originally posted by mlbdude
#1 This is fixed and will be available in my next update.

#2 Hard to think of something that cannot be done with Studio :).

Nice, and NICE!

I can't wait to get my hands on Studio. I've got Sage working pretty nicely behind a front-end, but if I can get all my videos' info to display in my library like the front-end sofware I'm using does, Sage will be all I need!

Thanks again!

[kny3twalker]

there is still problems with overlay and disabling color keying
use VMR 9 or enable color keying when using overlay(VMR 7 is a big mess since the menus are always colored)
it sucks that Sage will not fix this because this issue has been around since the video background was introduced
god will they ever fix this, so annoying

[mlbdude]

You guys are talking about how the menu leaves black shadows of itself on the left with video background with Overlay and color keying off right? I get that too in any STV.

If they can't fix that they should force color keying enabled if you do Overlay and video background.

[falchulk]

mlbdude, no its the background image you use. The ghosting is really bad in detailed setup. if its changed to the original bg image, the ghosting is eliminated. I meant to tell you that the other day.

[mlbdude]

Background image is the same as the one in Frey's STV. That is not something I have changed.

If I load up OrigionalV2.stv I get the same results. However, I got my source from OrigionalV2 so maybe it is wrong in the .19 version?

I will look closely when I get home.

[davey_fl]

falchulk how do I change the image back to the original but keep mlbdudes stv?

thx

davey

[falchulk]

Ok, I just looked, it definitely cures the detailed setup but it does not fix the imported video files ghosting. You still see the "Play DVD, Imported video file , etc under where the imported video files are located.

[falchulk]

MLbdude, here are pics:
This is what it looks like with the install of youe stv
http://www.frontiernet.net/~rjcharper/screwy.jpg

This is the fixed:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~rjcharper/fixed.jpg

Notice the black background in the screwy. Thats how it appears in all menus. It does not how up as the standard background.

[mlbdude]

Wow. For me it always looks like the second image. I will try to duplicate.

EDIT: The last release may have a bad location for the background image. Will fix tonight.

[falchulk]

Somethign else I just noticed, even though the ghosting of the menu is gone, there is a ghost of the panel around the standard panel. Its visable in the fixed pic.

[mlbdude]

Can you try the older version? I am wondering if I uploaded a bad or corrupt version.

[kny3twalker]

have you uploaded a new one
also you said they should enable color keying no matter what with overlay
well then VMR 7 is out of the question
mine as well not make it available and make overlay default render

[mlbdude]

When I get off my real job I will upload a fixed version. I would guess that 1.1 did not have this issue though so that could get you by.

[kny3twalker]

oh I have no problem and I am running the beta
just wondered I will always take an update

[falchulk]

Heh, here is a fix before mlbdude gets to it........if you go back to the original stv and then copy his stv to this dir:

C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\STVs\OriginalV2

Then reselect it everything works fine.

[mlbdude]

Have you tried a Timeslot favorite yet? Once I get a second confirmation that that works I will bring it out of beta.

[kny3twalker]

oh no not yet
I was going to do sportscenter though
but I have not yet dicided which time slot to fill
I will look at it tonight though
maybe studio will be out soon, on a side note

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by falchulk
Heh, here is a fix before mlbdude gets to it........if you go back to the original stv and then copy his stv to this dir:

C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\STVs\OriginalV2

Then reselect it everything works fine.

OK, I checked and all background image locations are identical between the OrigionalV2.STV and the MlbDude.STV and I can't duplicate this at all.

One note from the post above, make sure you are always running my STV from the SageTV\STVs\OriginalV2 directory.

[edbmdave]

MlbDude:

I have installed the 1.3beta. I have two favorites set up that have multiple occurances daily.. (Simpsons & South Park) I did not see any difference in the display. What/Where should I be looking for the modification?

[mlbdude]

You can see it in the Detailed Favorite menu.

[Alex0230]

Originally posted by mlbdude
Have you tried a Timeslot favorite yet? Once I get a second confirmation that that works I will bring it out of beta.

Will do this right a way, will be great for "hannity and colmes".... I'll know if it doesn't record the 11pm showing tonight. (4 hours from this post). I've been doing manual records of this show for about 2 months.

Any chance this working for like only recording say like "Everyone loves Raymond" reruns at 9pm instead of 9pm and 9:30pm. These have seperate program ids, they are back to back reruns that get shown on the same channel out here. I only want to record the 9pm reruns, not both. Just curious... : )

EDIT
I saw the interface, it's not possible because the slots are hour intervals. I love the idea of the time intervals!! This studio stuff is just so powerful. How long does it take to make a change like this? It's really exciting to see how much we get to toy with the system.

[mlbdude]

I don't see a way to do it by half hour intervals but I will look into it.

[kny3twalker]

I would like to add a comment

I have trouble recording shows that are back to back sometimes
I would like an option to record every show even if it has the same info code or comes on the same day or whatever
record evershow would help as well
I remember the guy having issues with a miniseries as well over a couple of days

furthermore maybe an addition could be just record shows even when back to back
when the last Frasiers were on
Sage was not going to record the second one
until I made it but it would have sucked to miss it

these seem more like a malore addition until you added the time slot recordings
so maybe you can add this as well

oh and one other I like how you did TT launching when hitting play DVD

could you do the same for the music button and picture library as well

furthermore this seems more reasonable

Watch TV (jumps to liveTV no guide)
Guide (jumps to guide)
Library
DVD
Setup

Library would then have the following subcategories:
Shows (displays shows recorded with the tuners)
Movies (displays movies RECORDED with the tuners)
Archive
Music
Photos

for the menus except I hate the WatchTV button

I would do it

Sage Guide
Sage Library
Sage DVD
Setup

then the rest
on the main menu I like having Sage
or My or Something

Guide, DVD, Library, etc.... is too boring but the idea is great
but good idea, Brett



I can live without the sleepp tab as well as sage still does it when I hit the button

[kny3twalker]

just one thing about your time slot recording
why not only allow the time slots that the show airs
if you could do this then you could do half hour shows and shows that do not start at normal times
as well as if anything happened to the start time of that show it could still be adjusted by the guide

[theMixxMaster]

Switching from list to folder view in the Video Library Options causes Sage to freeze for me, is this happening with anyone else?

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by theMixxMaster
Switching from list to folder view in the Video Library Options causes Sage to freeze for me, is this happening with anyone else?

Try the latest beta I just uploaded. Have not seen this but I changed the function used to import images used by the Folder view so maybe it got fixed.

[mlbdude]

New Beta

1.3.1

New Features:
Video Library now supports ripped DVD's that are ripped to XXXXX_TS folders. [MovieName]\VIDEO_TS - put the folder.jpg in the [MovieName] folder.

A couple of new Mini-Guides that are available on the Main Menu. If you don't like them you can disable them. They can be configured with the Options menu on the Main Menu.

Upcoming Recordings - If there is no show currently recording this menu will display you upcoming recordings.

Currently Recording - This menu will be shown if something is currently recording. It will contain all currently recording shows.

Let me know if you find anything wrong!

Thanks!

[Brett]

Hey Mlbdude, Display Upcoming Recordings doesn't work. It will just hide the button for putting Sage to Sleep (which I like as well :)). On another note the currently Recording option does work, although as always I would perfer it would just jump straight to the LiveTV of it. Oh well.

When we get to play with a new themed skin?

-Brett

[Brett]

Couple of Request for the Browse Modes.

On Browse by Category it would be nice if it would remove categories that have no shows listed in there. Why? Well I have like 8gbs of Music so all these random categories appear such as 'Blues' which likely will never match a tv listing category. So if it has no shows that match, it is possible to not show the category?

On Browse by Station to the right of the AirTime for the shows it shows a little icon of the station or callsign. This seems to be redudent as you are browsing by stations so why have it? Also for the list (on the left) of stations such as 73 MTV it would be cool if it would use the icon if possible.

Finally could you either remove that icon notifcation on the main screen or make a little option to remove it.

Otherwise very impressive work Mlbdude, they should have hired you awhile back.

-Brett

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Brett
Couple of Request for the Browse Modes.

On Browse by Category it would be nice if it would remove categories that have no shows listed in there. Why? Well I have like 8gbs of Music so all these random categories appear such as 'Blues' which likely will never match a tv listing category. So if it has no shows that match, it is possible to not show the category?

On Browse by Station to the right of the AirTime for the shows it shows a little icon of the station or callsign. This seems to be redudent as you are browsing by stations so why have it? Also for the list (on the left) of stations such as 73 MTV it would be cool if it would use the icon if possible.

Finally could you either remove that icon notifcation on the main screen or make a little option to remove it.

Otherwise very impressive work Mlbdude, they should have hired you awhile back.

-Brett

I am getting ready to complete redo the Category browser. It will probably go down to a double pan display with Category then all the shows in that category coming up. The three panes is causing too many issues (including the one you mention).

The Station Browser I originally did had the logo's where you mention. In the release version I ended up sharing the same show listing code that Frey uses to keep all airing listings consistent. I may put it back to my own way.

Icon notification? Conflict icon? I was thinking of doing a configuration to hide that. Though the user will have to remember to go to the Recording Information menu once and awhile.

BTW, thanks for those catches with the min-browsers. The upcoming recordings one will only show up if there are not current recordings. That is fixed and I will upload a new beta tonight once I fix a couple of other issues I found.

[Brett]

Originally posted by mlbdude
The Station Browser I originally did had the logo's where you mention. In the release version I ended up sharing the same show listing code that Frey uses to keep all airing listings consistent. I may put it back to my own way.Yes, please change this back if you can :). And in the future if you want some feedback on early builds feel free to PM me a message I will always be glad to take a look at your work.

Keep up the great work,
-Brett

[xlr8shun]

im using the silver hauppauge remote, with girder, and stranger's gml file, i have disabled the 'volume up' and 'volume down' commands (13 and 14) as well as the 'left' and 'right' commands (2 and 3). instead i use 'right/volume up' and 'left/volume down' commands (51 and 52) this way my volume doesnt change while im navigating throughout the interface.

however when i use 'right/volume up' and 'left/volume i notice a small problem trying to adjust the volume. start sage, start live tv, press channel up/down, this brings up the mini-guide. now try to change the volume, while the mini-guide is up. here, the volume will not change.

if you manually close the mini-guide (pressing my guide key, which is mapped to the 'guide' command (18), then volume still will not change, pressing my volume up and/or down keys does not bring up the osd.

to be able to change the volume, i have to either A) let the mini-guide close by itself, or B) close the mini-guide, then press the 'info' button (24) to actually raise/lower the volume.

seems the mini-guide being up, and being closed manually messes up commands 51 and 52. i have checked this in 1.2 and 1.3, both exibit the same behavior on my box

[kny3twalker]

yeah the three pane window of browse by category crashed sage last night
I do not know why
but I was just looking through it and was getting close to the end and it crashed
I was using page down though because it kept starting at the beginning for some reason after I looked at a show
I do not mind if it starts at the beginning after I go back to the main menu/starting watching something but when I am still looking through it, it would be nice for it not to start over at the beginning every time

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by xlr8shun
im using the silver hauppauge remote, with girder, and stranger's gml file, i have disabled the 'volume up' and 'volume down' commands (13 and 14) as well as the 'left' and 'right' commands (2 and 3). instead i use 'right/volume up' and 'left/volume down' commands (51 and 52) this way my volume doesnt change while im navigating throughout the interface.

however when i use 'right/volume up' and 'left/volume i notice a small problem trying to adjust the volume. start sage, start live tv, press channel up/down, this brings up the mini-guide. now try to change the volume, while the mini-guide is up. here, the volume will not change.

if you manually close the mini-guide (pressing my guide key, which is mapped to the 'guide' command (18), then volume still will not change, pressing my volume up and/or down keys does not bring up the osd.

to be able to change the volume, i have to either A) let the mini-guide close by itself, or B) close the mini-guide, then press the 'info' button (24) to actually raise/lower the volume.

seems the mini-guide being up, and being closed manually messes up commands 51 and 52. i have checked this in 1.2 and 1.3, both exibit the same behavior on my box

Nice find. There was some bad debug items in there :). It is fixed and will be included in the next release.

[cgrey]

Originally posted by cgrey
mlbdude, your STV has made Sage 2 nearly perfect for me. I have two comments:

1 - I don't know if there's anything that can be done about this, but, the Enhanced OSD "guide" is active even while playing a DVD. This 'breaks' DVD Menu navigation, as the up/down buttons activate it, as opposed to maneuvering through the DVD's menu. Can it be made 'smart' enough to disable while in DVD mode?

Originally posted by mlbdude
#1 This is fixed and will be available in my next update.



mlbdude - I just downloaded the 1.3 update, and the OSD "guide" still pops up when using the up/down arrows while playing a DVD. Just wanted to report it in case you weren't aware.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by cgrey


mlbdude - I just downloaded the 1.3 update, and the OSD "guide" still pops up when using the up/down arrows while playing a DVD. Just wanted to report it in case you weren't aware. [/QUOTE]

I "re-introduced" that bug recently. It is fixed though and will come in the next release.

[theMixxMaster]

Originally posted by mlbdude
Try the latest beta I just uploaded. Have not seen this but I changed the function used to import images used by the Folder view so maybe it got fixed.

Sure, no problem will do that....Um, where is it?

[xlr8shun]

Originally posted by theMixxMaster
Sure, no problem will do that....Um, where is it?
there is a link to his stv page, in the first post of this thread, download links are towards the bottom

[mlbdude]

Beta 1.3.2 is up. Just bug fixes. You guys that reported those bugs with 1.3.1 let me know if those items are working now.

Just an FYI, the mine-guide for Currently Recording gets priority and will kick off the Upcoming Recordings mini-guide if you have both enabled. There just is not space for both.

I would like to put 1.3 to bed and work on the Category and Station browsers.

Thanks!

[lovingHDTV]

I just tried the new beta and it works with my ripped DVD! Yeah, looks really nice.

I did have a problem with browse by catagory. When I highlight the movie in the right hand window the details only appear if the movie is the first or last movie in the list. In my window there is room to show the name of three movies per catagory. I have to move the cursor down or up until the movie in question is either the first or last movie on the list, then I can see the details in the bottom window.

Thanks, I really like it :)

[xlr8shun]

Originally posted by xlr8shun
seems the mini-guide being up, and being closed manually messes up commands 51 and 52. i have checked this in 1.2 and 1.3, both exibit the same behavior on my box

^^ above problem fixed in 1.3.2

thanks mlbdude

EDIT>

actually, ff and rew buttons cant be used while the mini-guide is up either (8 and 9)...in live tv, or watching a recorded program. however the ff2 and rew2 can be (61 and 62)

EDIT2>

and the 'currently recording' thing is great..

[theMixxMaster]

Great job, it works pretty good for me! The only thing that would work better for the graphics on the video library, is a way for it to just use a .jpg in the folder, as opposed to having to rename the various .jpgs(which I name the same as the movie title) to folder.jpg.
Also, is it possible to be able to click on the graphic, and then go to another screen with plot synopsis, time, rating, director/starring, etc...like the way myHTPC and XLOBBY do(perhaps reading the .meta files)?

[Brett]

Mlbdude as always all good. My only strong complaint is that the "Currently Recording" should jump to LiveTV of that Show that is recording. This still is no easy way from the Sage Main Menu to just sit down and watch TV. This would be a simple fix that would make several users I think very happy :).

Eitherway Jeff should make the "current recording" and "miniguide" part of the standard distribution.

Oh and heres a feature request for when you get around to it (I asked Jeff but it got put off):

I think that when your watching something that is currently recording and want to change the channel the following should happen:
(1) If something is being "intelligent" recorded on a tuner it should automatically free that tuner for changing channels. The reason is that I have IR on and it trys to fill up most of the timeslots, but not always with the best material. If I am flipping channels it should not bother me to cancel "ir" suggestions.

(2) (the more practical request) If all tuners are tied up it should present a list of all shows recording and let you choose from that list which one to cancel instead of the current fashion of 5 different popups.

-Brett

[xlr8shun]

Eitherway Jeff should make the "current recording" and "miniguide" part of the standard distribution.

i agree, i wanna work on the miniguide a bit when studio comes out, try and get it you could move forward and backward in time, to see shows that were on, or are coming on, without necessarly going to the big epg.

but those 2 things are great. i like malore's delete all, watched all, dont like all options too ;) ;)

[davey_fl]

mlbdude. Good work. I'm happy with the changes, especially the ability to now see my ripped dvds under Imports. A have a couple of questions and a feature request....

1) What is the "F" with the Red circle around it on all my recordings now?
2) When I go to category view and choose movies it lists hundreds of movies, many of which have a date in the past or a date in the future (ie: 2 months from now). Is this correct?

Feature request: I notice automatic wrapping of lists no longer works. That is, in Sage Recording if I have 20 items on my list I can't press down once more and have it wrap back to 1. Will this be implemented in future releases?

thx

davey

[gplasky]

I believe the "F" is for First run.

Gerry

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by davey_fl
mlbdude. Good work. I'm happy with the changes, especially the ability to now see my ripped dvds under Imports. A have a couple of questions and a feature request....

1) What is the "F" with the Red circle around it on all my recordings now?
2) When I go to category view and choose movies it lists hundreds of movies, many of which have a date in the past or a date in the future (ie: 2 months from now). Is this correct?

Feature request: I notice automatic wrapping of lists no longer works. That is, in Sage Recording if I have 20 items on my list I can't press down once more and have it wrap back to 1. Will this be implemented in future releases?

thx

davey

1. It is to signify a "First Run". For now if you don't want to see it just delete the .png from the OrigionalV2 directory.

2. I am complete redoing this to a 2 pane view. Doing so will allow me to kill that long issue of showing old shows.

3. I don't like the wrapping in that menu so I got rid of it. I will not be putting it back but when Studio is available to you it is super easy to change.

[DougTea]

mlbdude,

Anyway to get iso images to appear in the media library? I have hundreds of DVDs ripped to iso images instead of vob files. I use d-tools (daemon tools) to mount the image and watch using the Sage DVD player.

Thanks and keep up the good work!
Doug

[mlbdude]

Do ISO's get loaded by the Sage media library normally? If they do then I may be able to.

[stanger89]

You should be able to add .iso to the list of library_import_file_extensions and Sage should import them, however something would need to be done in the library to realize that they are images and then call d-tools to mount the image and play it using the DVD player.

[kny3twalker]

could that be integrated into Sage?

[DougTea]

mlbdude & stanger89,

mlbdude, Yes, I have to mount the DVD ISOs externally. Once mounted the ISOs play as if I just inserted the DVD media into the player.

stanger89, hmmm...I never thought about having sage perform the mounting process... :)


Initially, I was inquiring about simply having all the ISO images show up within the media library. I would have 'dvdname.jpg' located in each DVD directory. This will allow the user to view which DVDs were available on the media server then mount the ISO image externally from Sage. Once mounted, the user will return to Sage and view the dvd from there. I didn't think it was possible for Sage to launch an external app ...but if this functionality is possible, the user could view the list of DVDs, mount the image and view without ever leaving the Sage interface. Now that would be sweet!!

Doug

[stanger89]

Well, here's what I'm going by:
ISOs should show up, since Sage will import just about anything into the video library.

Sage can launch external apps, as demonstrated by mlbdude's DVD launcher.

The only questions left are, can you launch a external process based on a file's extension and will you have to manually play the DVD or can Sage do it automatically, and of course there's dismounting as well.

[kny3twalker]

it would be nice if you could just automat something like this
It would make achieving to DVD nice and I also like using my DVD decoders to watch DVD and not my video and audio decoders I have set up for TV

[stanger89]

AFAIK, when you play a DVD, even one ripped in file mode, Sage can tell it's a DVD and treats it as such, you don't need to explicity play it through the Play DVD. You get the different DVD OSD for example, also, when I try to play one of my ripped DVDs with ffdshow selected in DVD options, I get errors, but change it to Sonic (with ffdshow still selected in Video options) it plays fine.

[lotusvball]

How do you get the OSD to be transparent, or is the a feature of Studio only?

[stanger89]

Enable 3D Accelleration (Detailed Setup->Advanced) and select VMR9 (Detailed Setup->Video) as your video renderer.

[mlbdude]

Final Beta 1.3 is up.

Items fixed include:

FF\REW in Enhanced OSD with min-guide enabled

Mini-guide will now default to first channel (instead of the last) when brought up unless the show is Live, then it defaults to the current shows channel.

Other items:

Though not complete yet the Browse by Category and Browse by Station are almost done. You can see the new versions in this release.

Thanks!

[Brett]

...made it to RC already?

The Browse By Station is MUCH better.

Only notes:
Browse By Station and Browse By Category should goto the detailed info screen for the show if I hit enter.

Browse By Category is still displaying several thousand music categories that have no matches for shows. If its possible to weed out the categories that have no matchines for them, can you do that?

Otherwise awsome as usual.

One last favor can you make custom button #1 launch Browse By Station that way I can map it to the guide button on the remote?

-Brett

[kny3twalker]

also can you in the miniguide that appears over a show you are viewing
can you make it so we can use right and left to go foward and backward in time
I can believe no one has asked this

one more it is ability to hit a channel number and the mini guide will go to that channel so I can see what is on it
and not have to up and down one at time till I get there

stranger are you sure it works like that
I added .vob and it plays them back like a normal video using the TV audio/video selection(TV viewing) I will try though to do it by video_TS
and see if it is different

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Brett
...made it to RC already?

The Browse By Station is MUCH better.

Only notes:
Browse By Station and Browse By Category should goto the detailed info screen for the show if I hit enter.

Browse By Category is still displaying several thousand music categories that have no matches for shows. If its possible to weed out the categories that have no matchines for them, can you do that?

Otherwise awsome as usual.

One last favor can you make custom button #1 launch Browse By Station that way I can map it to the guide button on the remote?

-Brett

The Browse menus are still in progress so the first point is coming. The second I have not been able to figure out how to do. I also don't like that is shows all categories in Sage and not just Airings categories. I will need Frey to fix that for me.

I will add custom commands directly into that menu.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by kny3twalker
also can you in the miniguide that appears over a show you are viewing
can you make it so we can use right and left to go foward and backward in time
I can believe no one has asked this

one more it is ability to hit a channel number and the mini guide will go to that channel so I can see what is on it
and not have to up and down one at time till I get there

stranger are you sure it works like that
I added .vob and it plays them back like a normal video using the TV audio/video selection(TV viewing) I will try though to do it by video_TS
and see if it is different

First personal version had left and right capability. It had some performance issues though so I killed it.

I will add the channel number jump to mini-guide.

[lotusvball]

Originally posted by stanger89
Enable 3D Accelleration (Detailed Setup->Advanced) and select VMR9 (Detailed Setup->Video) as your video renderer.


I only have VMR9 enabled. I will try enabling 3D Accelleration when I get home tonight.

Thanks Stranger89:goodjob:

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by lotusvball
I only have VMR9 enabled. I will try enabling 3D Accelleration when I get home tonight.

Thanks Stranger89:goodjob:

FYI with VMR9 selected and 3D Acceleration not, Sage drops down to Overlay. So don't think you were running VMR9 before :).

[DFA]

I concur in that I always thought the mini-guide would / should have the same navigational features as the main Guide: up, down, left, right, page-up, page-down, page-left, page-right, and number navigation. Page up/down would be something like 5 to 10 channels at a whack and page left/right would be something like 4 to 12 hour jumps. Just my thoughts. Too bad there is trouble with left / right movement.

As a minimum, number navigation would be convenient.

DFA

[lotusvball]

Originally posted by mlbdude
FYI with VMR9 selected and 3D Acceleration not, Sage drops down to Overlay. So don't think you were running VMR9 before :).

Noted. I will play around with it this evening and see what I get. Thanks for the help. :jump:

[lotusvball]

Originally posted by mlbdude
FYI with VMR9 selected and 3D Acceleration not, Sage drops down to Overlay. So don't think you were running VMR9 before :).


Ok, I set 3D Acceleration on and VMR9. Then I enabled Colored Keys. Went to main menu and tried to select Live TV and sage crashed. Is there something I am missing?

:confused:

[kny3twalker]

ok first choose a decoder that will do VMR 9
like the intervideo family (hauppauge one will do it)
then eanble 3d acceleration
go ahead and sleep sage rewake it and set VMR 9 sleep sage again then rewake it and go to a recording and play one

[kny3twalker]

First personal version had left and right capability. It had some performance issues though so I killed it.

well cool thanks for adding the number jump

but what if you added left and right but limited it to an hour and a half no farther

also what about hit the guide button once for mini guide
then hit it again for full guide
then third time would mini guide again
etc...
I believe there is an exit command
it could be used to exit the guide altogether

also oin the background image anyway you could modify it is the reduced main menu you made will fit the inside border

just thinking of cool tweaks

thanks again for the sweet skin

[lotusvball]

Originally posted by kny3twalker
ok first choose a decoder that will do VMR 9
like the intervideo family (hauppauge one will do it)
then eanble 3d acceleration
go ahead and sleep sage rewake it and set VMR 9 sleep sage again then rewake it and go to a recording and play one


Tried it and I am still getting the same thing. SageTV crashes.

:confused:

[mlbdude]

What video card do you have? Are you running the latest drivers for it? Do you have DX9 installed?

[lotusvball]

Originally posted by mlbdude
What video card do you have? Are you running the latest drivers for it? Do you have DX9 installed?


I have a AIW 8500 with TV out. Yes I have the latest drivers and yes I have DX9 installed. It only happens when I have both VMR9 and 3D Acceleration enabled together.

[mlbdude]

Look for any hs_err_pidXXXX.log files in your Sage directory. Since this is only going on when Sage is accessing DX9 you have an issue in that area somewhere :).

[lotusvball]

Thanks. I'll dig around a little.

[lotusvball]

Originally posted by mlbdude
Look for any hs_err_pidXXXX.log files in your Sage directory. Since this is only going on when Sage is accessing DX9 you have an issue in that area somewhere :).


Does any of this mean anything to you. Most of it is greek to me. :confused:

[lotusvball]

I think I just figured out my problem. (At least in this situation) I don't think that the AIW 8500 is DX9 compatible. I will have to get a new card. I am thinking of getting the 9600. I hear the bang for the buck is pretty good. Any thoughts. I really want to check out your skin to its fullest. What I have seen so far I really like.

[DFA]

I've had trouble using MlbDude's and Malore's STV in VMR9. However, I attribute that to the nVidia 3.0 codec. I suspect that if I used an alternate codec, the trouble would go away.

I have found the nVidia codec to be touchy while at the same time I like it's PQ the best. Figures. Perhaps the release version of the nVidia codec will be more tolerant.

Lotusvball: If using the nVidia codec (even 2.55) try a different one.

DFA

[lotusvball]

Not using the nVidia codec. I have tried a couple of different codecs with the same results. I went to ATI's website and the AIW 8500 has no mention about being compatible with DX9, but the 9600 does state that. Also the AIW 8500 is dicontinued, but the 7500 is still active. I think that alone tells me something.

[kny3twalker]

the problem is the ATI cyberlink decoder you are using
uninstall it and reinstall it the lastest version if possible and do not change the DVXA mode or deinterlacing mode from default
set it up with ATI cyberlink decoder for video use something else for audio decoding
turn on 3D acceleration and start up video
it never crashed sage before for me but I figured out not to change those two settings when using that decoder and VMR9

it works fine with my 9600 XT but the playback still skips during panning
The only decoders I could get to work well with VMR9 is elecard (did not like the deinterlacing) and intervideo (too much blurring)

if you are using TV out from the video card though it should be a different story

I can watch it skip and stutter on the computer monitor and playback perfect on a SDTV

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by lotusvball
Not using the nVidia codec. I have tried a couple of different codecs with the same results. I went to ATI's website and the AIW 8500 has no mention about being compatible with DX9, but the 9600 does state that. Also the AIW 8500 is dicontinued, but the 7500 is still active. I think that alone tells me something.

A video card does not have to support DX9 directly to work with VMR9. It just means that the CPU will have to do a little more work. Tons of people are running VMR9 with older nVidia and ATI cards.

[lovingHDTV]

mlbdue,
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but what is the red "F" on the sage recordings. I believe this was added when I started using your skin.

thanks,

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by lovingHDTV
mlbdue,
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but what is the red "F" on the sage recordings. I believe this was added when I started using your skin.

thanks,

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?postid=41046#post41046

[meekell]

I noticed in the video library that my folder titled 'Mt. Rainier' was displayed as 'Mt'. Is this something you're aware of?
________
Waterbongs (http://glassbongs.org/)

[mlbdude]

That is part of the Hide Extentions code. It looks for that "." at the end of the title and removes all after it. You can disable Hide Extensions and it will come back.

I will look into making sure that only does that on a file and not a folder.

[meekell]

That's what I was hoping, but it didn't work for me. It hid the extensions for the filenames correctly but had no effect on this particular folder name.
________
About69 (http://www.girlcamfriend.com/cam/About69/)

[rrussell]

I am still getting nasty ghosting with the 1.3.3 beta. Was there a fix for this?

[mlbdude]

No fix. Make sure you are loading the STV as per my instructions (not using the STV switcher in settings) and make sure it is in the right location.

Those parts of my STV are identical to the OrigionalV2 and I can't duplicate this.

[falchulk]

mlbdude, the way is to duplicate this is to save/select it outside of the C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\STVs\OriginalV2 directory. If it's ran in this directory, it's fine. BTW, thanks for the great work.

[mlbdude]

Yes, it must be stored in the same directory as the Frey STV. We both reference the background that is stored as a resource inside of the Sage libraries so it is very important that it stays in that directory.

[kny3twalker]

well cool thanks for adding the number jump

but what if you added left and right but limited it to an hour and a half no farther

also what about hit the guide button once for mini guide
then hit it again for full guide
then third time would mini guide again
etc...
I believe there is an exit command
it could be used to exit the guide altogether

also oin the background image anyway you could modify it is the reduced main menu you made will fit the inside border

just thinking of cool tweaks

thanks again for the sweet skin

I just wanted to repeat this because it probably got skipped cause of the VMR 9 issue

[rrussell]

Re: Ghosting. I'll try again.

I discovered I have TWO sage installs on my system, one on C: and one on D: and I don't know which one is "real." That may explain why the skins are confused.

Seems like there may be other things going on...

[JUC]

Awesome skin...the folder capabilities in imported media is worth it alone. Also, as mentioned above and in a way earlier thread--is there anyway to get back to the full Guide other than going through the menus. The suggestion that one click takes you to the mini guide, another click takes to to full is a good one. I am using ATI remote wonder and not being able to go into the full guide if I want to without doing the menu thing is difficult for the wife...
Thanks again
JUC

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by JUC
Awesome skin...the folder capabilities in imported media is worth it alone. Also, as mentioned above and in a way earlier thread--is there anyway to get back to the full Guide other than going through the menus. The suggestion that one click takes you to the mini guide, another click takes to to full is a good one. I am using ATI remote wonder and not being able to go into the full guide if I want to without doing the menu thing is difficult for the wife...
Thanks again
JUC

I may add it as a configuration parameter. I am trying to keep navigation consistent with the general Sage items (OSD come up with Info press, Info goes away with second Info press). However, since I have added the enhanced Back functionality to the OSD and mini-guide I may change my mind.

[JUC]

Anyone have a way to map one of the programmable buttons to the Full Guide? Or some kind of workaround?
Thanks
JUC

[mlbdude]

I am getting ready to put up the final 1.3. For now I will add the Full Guide link to the Custom1 command on the OSD. That should help for now.

[follower]

Mlbdude,
Does this include the new skin with the "recording now" on the home page?

Follower

[mlbdude]

Version 1.3 is up.

Check out this post as usual for the download info and instructions.

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?postid=38484#post38484

This includes the Recording Now functionality but not the new look and feel. I will post an "alpha" of that tomorrow.

Thanks all!

[Jack_PVR]

Thanks for your efforts on this, very nice.

Quick question does Studio allow you to change the menus, text, structure etc? I don't mind it how it is, but others here find it awkward, and would like something like this...

TV
Videos
Music
Settings

as the main menu, then move the related items to sub menus.

Just wondering if Studio will make that easy to setup?

Again thanks!

[kny3twalker]

hey I am not getting the currently recording screen on the main menu

[darksoul]

The sagetv default DVD player is no longer working. I get a bar across the top that appears after selecting Play DVD that reads ok after clicking select again the bar disappears and nothing happens. Also i've noticed that while watching a show and a second show begins the record progress bar appears and does not go away until you remove it by pressing info or the live TV button. Has anyone else had these problems with the new release?

Regards,

Thomas Sexton
tsexton@cincom.com
tsexton@lostclan.mynetwork.org

[lovingHDTV]

I just saw the same issue with the DVD player. I don't usually use it, but accidentaly clicked on it while playing with netremote and girder.

[danward79]

I don't get the currently recoding screen either,

I also can't get the progress bar away

[mlbdude]

You guys have enabled Currently Recording to show up? And you have something currently recording? I need more info to try and duplicate that.

I will look at the DVD stuff. I don't use it so I could easily have hosed something there. I may just fore it to go to the Frey OSD for non library DVD's.

[JUC]

Hey, I don't have the software in front of me know, but what/where is the Cutsom1 command on the OSD (in terms of using the full guide). Sorry for my lazy effort.
JUC

[mlbdude]

There are Custom1- Custom5 command available that you can bind to (remote, key, whatever). Set that up just like you would any other remote binding. They should be in the list of available commands to bind to.

[mlbdude]

Put up a new version that uses the Frey DVD player and also fixes the progress bar issue.

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?postid=38484#post38484

[mlbdude]

Just uploaded beta 1 of 1.4.

New feature exposed is a new Sage Recordings menu. Works similar to my old two pane style menu.

Enable it via Detailed Setup\Advanced\Use Enhanced Sage Recordings.

Make sure you try out all the grouping and sorting options. The group section and the airings section have their own sorting capabilities so be sure to try both. Bring up the options menu when on the group section to select options for the grouping, bring up the options menu when on an airing to select options for the airings.

Thanks!

[Deadbolt]

Can you post a picture of the Sage Recordings menu?

Thanks

[kny3twalker]

couple of bugs
when doing your new view of sage recording (this was my mouse)
there were a few issues not being able to go back the previous set of shows only foward and not being able to use the back arrow in the corner to get back the main menu

with remote it seems fine

[mlbdude]

Yeah I have not figured out how to get the left arrow to go yet. It looks fine in Studio but it does not work.

Attached is a screen cap.

[DFA]

MlbDude:

You were the discoverer of "videoframe/additional_video_filters=" for adding post precessors, in particular, ffdshow. A legendary find.

I think it was Stnger89 in that thread that suggested to Jeff that he make a seperate menu line item for the post processors added into "videoframe/additional_video_filters=".

Can this be done with Studio? Can it be that the post processors be shown and selected seperatly from the decoders? As you know, with the post processors listed with the decoders, one is not certain or have convenient control of decoder choice without using the aid of Radlight or something to set decoder merit. I'm not suggesting that Sage find and list the post processors; they would still need to be manually added to the sage.properties parameter line "videoframe/additional_video_filters=" but would be listed and chosen seperatly from the decoder list. Perhaps there should be a seperate properties line item for the post processors since "videoframe/additional_video_filters=" does have a purpose other than post processor listing.

I would be nice to see this post processor menu item edit to the OriginalV2 STV as well as the other custom STV's developed by yourself and Malore. This seems like something that should have been included as a fundamental capability.

Also, could Studio be used to make the Guide command a "toggle" type command or define one of the Custom commands to be a Guide toggling type command? The Info command is toggle type and sure wish the Guide command worked the same.

DFA

[mlbdude]

Fixed the left arrow mouse problem. Will be included in a release tomorrow.

DFA,

ffdshow
I don't see any way to do this. But would love to see it also.

Guide command could easily be set to a toggle. Since I added Custom1 as a command to take you to the LiveTV Guide in my STV I am also going to make the Custom1 command issue a Back command from within the LiveTV Guide. I use the Guide command in LiveTV guide to bring me back to current time so I don't want to change that.

[thatdude90210]

Anyone else see this? Using the beta 1.4 skin with enhanced osd, ff2 and rw2, the timeline display doesn't show up when using girder (with x10 lola) but will show up if I use keyboard to do the same function.

[DFA]

MlbDude:

Thanks. I just wanted to know if it was possible since I am trying to get some idea of what can and can't be done with Studio.

DFA

[Deadbolt]

Originally posted by mlbdude
Yeah I have not figured out how to get the left arrow to go yet. It looks fine in Studio but it does not work.

Attached is a screen cap.

Thanks mlbdude...so it doesn't show the list of series titles on the left? You have to scroll one by one on top?

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Deadbolt
Thanks mlbdude...so it doesn't show the list of series titles on the left? You have to scroll one by one on top?

Yes. I dropped the left and right two pane because there just was not enough space to show both items properly. By moving the title list to the top I am able to display the airings in their entirety. Plus I don't have any of the issues related to side by side tables.

[kny3twalker]

You guys have enabled Currently Recording to show up?

is there a line in the properties file to enable this?

because I am still not getting this

I still have sleep on the main menu also

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by kny3twalker
is there a line in the properties file to enable this?

because I am still not getting this

I still have sleep on the main menu also

You enable and disable it via the Options menu on the Main Menu.

[kny3twalker]

sweet forgot you could right click the main menu
thanks for the help

man I feel stupid when I read it
then wait until later to install it because things are recording then forget how to do it

[mlbdude]

Also added for the next release the ability to Select the current group in the new Sage Recordings menu to bring up a quick select pop-up menu.

[thatdude90210]

Originally posted by thatdude90210
Anyone else see this? Using the beta 1.4 skin with enhanced osd, ff2 and rw2, the timeline display doesn't show up when using girder (with x10 lola) but will show up if I use keyboard to do the same function.
Fixed... on this client, rw2 is mapped to F5 & ctrl+F7 and ff2 is mapped to F6 & ctrl+F8. Girder was using to F5 and F6 when the timeline display didn't show. After I changed girder to ctrl+F7 and ctrl+F8 for rw2 and ff2, the timeline display showed up.

[kny3twalker]

found a small bug
I was watching a chappelle's show ending at midnight
the main menu before I went to watch the show said chappelle's show recording like it should
I started watching the show about 10 minutes after it started and finished watching it about 12:10 am
When I finished watching the chappelle's show
I hit close file to get back to main menu without having to watch some women's comedy show
When I did this (I am getting to the bug)
the chappelle's show was still listed as recording but underneath the text that said overhaulin was the next upcoming recording later this afternoon
the text was layed over the old
I put sage to sleep and rewoke it and it was fine again

like I said small bug

[Capt Dean]

I've gotta be missing something here. I'm using the silver remote with my 350. The 3 pane view of sage recordings gets messy.... for instance I delete a show... Well it remains in the list. Sometimes I can't get to the "folder" pane on the left with the reomte. I must go get the mouse.

So, I want to use this STV. However, I can't get the sage recordings folder to change. I went to setup and enabled the enhaced sage recordings option. But, I don't see any changes. Still the clunky 3 pane view. Right click (options) only bring up the old video background settings.

What am I missing?

BTW: I really like where this STV is headed. Looks great.

Thanks

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Capt Dean
I've gotta be missing something here. I'm using the silver remote with my 350. The 3 pane view of sage recordings gets messy.... for instance I delete a show... Well it remains in the list. Sometimes I can't get to the "folder" pane on the left with the reomte. I must go get the mouse.

So, I want to use this STV. However, I can't get the sage recordings folder to change. I went to setup and enabled the enhaced sage recordings option. But, I don't see any changes. Still the clunky 3 pane view. Right click (options) only bring up the old video background settings.

What am I missing?

BTW: I really like where this STV is headed. Looks great.

Thanks

Sounds like you are still using the old left and right style recordings menu I did many months ago. I dropped development of that due to problems that came up that I could not fix.

You need to first edit your properties file and disable the old mlbdude recordings menu. Then the default menu will appear, and if you select enhanced it will appear instead.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by kny3twalker
found a small bug
I was watching a chappelle's show ending at midnight
the main menu before I went to watch the show said chappelle's show recording like it should
I started watching the show about 10 minutes after it started and finished watching it about 12:10 am
When I finished watching the chappelle's show
I hit close file to get back to main menu without having to watch some women's comedy show
When I did this (I am getting to the bug)
the chappelle's show was still listed as recording but underneath the text that said overhaulin was the next upcoming recording later this afternoon
the text was layed over the old
I put sage to sleep and rewoke it and it was fine again

like I said small bug

I have a request into Narflex to figure out a way to get the main menu to refresh itself. I see that sometimes too. In fact, I have dropped to just using one of the min-browsers because it annoyed me too much. In a way I am glad someone else sees this besides me.

[Jack_PVR]

Any way for us to increase the font size in the video list?

[mlbdude]

Nice that you mention it, in the next release it will include property settings for all font sizes in my video library.

[mlbdude]

1.4 beta 2 is up.

Check the changelog for changes.

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?postid=38484#post38484

[Jack_PVR]

Great changes!

I setup a more friendly main menu and made the video list font size bigger so it can be seen on a smaller tv here.

Thanks.

[Capt Dean]

Originally posted by mlbdude
You need to first edit your properties file and disable the old mlbdude recordings menu. Then the default menu will appear, and if you select enhanced it will appear instead.


That did the trick. Thanks.

[thatdude90210]

Just a small bug, the upper arrow for returning to main menu in the new Sage recording menu is acting like the left arrow for cycling thru the shows arrow.

Edit: clicking on the word Sagetv (next to the arrow) does go back to the main menu.

[xlr8shun]

ok, i found another issue with the 'mini-guide'

if you sleep sage, then start sage, and go directly to the tv guide from the main menu. then select a program to watch (live tv). sage switches to that channel, and starts showing you the current show. pressing channel up and channel down on my remote doesnt use the mini-guide anymore, it uses the default channel changing by sage.

also, if you sleep sage, then wake sage, and have the "currently recording" option enabled, scroll down to the "currently recording" option, select whatever program is currently recording, then select "watch now" changing channels again, uses sage default style. no mini-guide shows up.

---

<EDIT> im also seeing the 'old' (non enhanced menu) being used in some situations, i just noticed this, havent really narrowed it down to where/why/when, but i'll post back with some info if i can reproduce it

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by xlr8shun
ok, i found another issue with the 'mini-guide'

if you sleep sage, then start sage, and go directly to the tv guide from the main menu. then select a program to watch (live tv). sage switches to that channel, and starts showing you the current show. pressing channel up and channel down on my remote doesnt use the mini-guide anymore, it uses the default channel changing by sage.

also, if you sleep sage, then wake sage, and have the "currently recording" option enabled, scroll down to the "currently recording" option, select whatever program is currently recording, then select "watch now" changing channels again, uses sage default style. no mini-guide shows up.

---

<EDIT> im also seeing the 'old' (non enhanced menu) being used in some situations, i just noticed this, havent really narrowed it down to where/why/when, but i'll post back with some info if i can reproduce it

This behavior was introduced with 1.4 beta 1. 1.4 beta 2 should have fixed this. This is why I backed out the DVD changes as per the changelog.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by thatdude90210
Just a small bug, the upper arrow for returning to main menu in the new Sage recording menu is acting like the left arrow for cycling thru the shows arrow.

Edit: clicking on the word Sagetv (next to the arrow) does go back to the main menu.

Unfortunately this is expected. That upper left arrow issues a Left command. If you have the group area selected it will grab that Left. If you have an airing selected it will go to the previous menu.

Until I override that part from Frey it will do that. Since they don't have any menu's with a left or right scroll they probably never thought to use a Back command instead.

[xlr8shun]

Originally posted by mlbdude
This behavior was introduced with 1.4 beta 1. 1.4 beta 2 should have fixed this. This is why I backed out the DVD changes as per the changelog.
damn, and while i was writing that, i was like.. maybe i should check in the 1.4b2 rls just to be sure..

so i checked the changelog instead and didnt see anything reguarding it so i posted anyway.. (didnt realize at the time the regular osd was related to the channel thing also)

my fault.. checking out 1.4b2 now :) Thanks

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by xlr8shun
damn, and while i was writing that, i was like.. maybe i should check in the 1.4b2 rls just to be sure..

so i checked the changelog instead and didnt see anything reguarding it so i posted anyway.. (didnt realize at the time the regular osd was related to the channel thing also)

my fault.. checking out 1.4b2 now :) Thanks

No problem, that is what the forum is for :). Let me know if it is not fixed in beta 2.

[mlbdude]

Hopefully final beta for 1.4 is out (beta 3).

Couple of things changed so check the changelog.

Two-Pane Sage Recordings menu is back.

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?postid=38484#post38484

[Brett]

Mlbdude, any new skin this week?

-Brett

[mlbdude]

I am waiting for something going on at HTPCNews.com. I want to get it out soon though so I can start a new one.

[Capt Dean]

Noticed one thing.
With Sage recordings settings, default and horizontal work fine. But in vertical mode, the currently recording programs do not list. Well, specifically the "category" shows up in the pane, but the program itself doesn't show. It doesn't appear until the program has finished recording.

Again, this problem does not appear in the other modes.

[I was pining for the Studio prog.... but your work is including most of the "tweaks" I was eager to tackle. Thanks. ....Ok, still pining though :D ]

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Capt Dean
Noticed one thing.
With Sage recordings settings, default and horizontal work fine. But in vertical mode, the currently recording programs do not list. Well, specifically the "category" shows up in the pane, but the program itself doesn't show. It doesn't appear until the program has finished recording.

Again, this problem does not appear in the other modes.

[I was pining for the Studio prog.... but your work is including most of the "tweaks" I was eager to tackle. Thanks. ....Ok, still pining though :D ]

Nice find. This is fixed for next release.

[xlr8shun]

Originally posted by mlbdude
Two-Pane Sage Recordings menu is back.

thanks, best feature since the mini-guide ;)

<EDIT> and the regular osd thing, seems to be fixed in 1.4b2, and so far in 1.4b3.

[kny3twalker]

ok the back arrow in the mouse support issue again does not work with horizontal two pane
but It is awesome to have it back
looks very nice

[JasonJoel]

Ok, I feel stupid. Probably posted this somewhere already, but I looked and could not find it.

In the new Sage Recordings window, why do some of my recordings have little 'red circle with the letter F in it' next to the recording time? Some have it, some don't. Not sure why. They are all Favorite recordings, so that isn't it.. ;)

What does it mean, why is it there? Argh! :D Curious minds want to know.

EDIT: My wife pointed out the obvious.. It must stand for FIRST RUN (as opposed to RERUN). Correct me if I'm wrong. Cool.

Jason

[kny3twalker]

smart wife

[beyond]

I am waiting for something going on at HTPCNews.com. I want to get it out soon though so I can start a new one.

mlbdude, the new section is up and online. :) Still need to do some formatting, however it's all ready to go.. Has a comments system built in, screenshots are allowed, as well as the file for people to download (and a description).

[xlr8shun]

im noticing something else here, again with the mini-guide.

some channels, its not retrieving the program info, even when that info _is_ being stored somewhere in sage. the big epg shows the program title and has its episode information, as well as when the 'info' (command 24) button is pressed during recorded playback/live tv. see the screenshots below:

http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/mini-guide.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/big-guide.jpg

i seen this last night too, but didnt get a screenshot, it was on 2 channels lastnight, tonight its only on 1. it seems random as far as which channel it is. as when i exit sage and restart it, it either goes away or switches channels. for instance i just exited sage, and restarted it, and now its changed to channel 7 (missing info is on channel 6 in the screenshots above). see the screenshots below:

http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/mini-guide2.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/mini-guide3.jpg

[kny3twalker]

hey I saw that as well
it has the info, just do not hit left
when you hit left it disappears for some reason
I hope mlbdude adds where we can go right though and see the next show

if you hit right it will come back

[JUC]

Originally posted by mlbdude
There are Custom1- Custom5 command available that you can bind to (remote, key, whatever). Set that up just like you would any other remote binding. They should be in the list of available commands to bind to.

Would anyone be willing to hold my hand and lead me through this process? I am using ATI remote wonder and have the mini- guide set to the 'D' programmable button using the ATI remote plugin, but would like to either map the full guide to another programmable button or anyother button on the remote. I am not sure how to set the Custom commands to work with the remote. Thanks
JUC

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by xlr8shun
im noticing something else here, again with the mini-guide.

some channels, its not retrieving the program info, even when that info _is_ being stored somewhere in sage. the big epg shows the program title and has its episode information, as well as when the 'info' (command 24) button is pressed during recorded playback/live tv. see the screenshots below:

http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/mini-guide.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/big-guide.jpg

i seen this last night too, but didnt get a screenshot, it was on 2 channels lastnight, tonight its only on 1. it seems random as far as which channel it is. as when i exit sage and restart it, it either goes away or switches channels. for instance i just exited sage, and restarted it, and now its changed to channel 7 (missing info is on channel 6 in the screenshots above). see the screenshots below:

http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/mini-guide2.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/rt001/mini-guide3.jpg

Another nice find. This is fixed. Yes, it is a left over of me trying to get left and right navigation in there. It did not go well so I backed the changes out (most I guess :)).

[darksoul]

Is there a setting im missing somewhere? When I go to play stored videos they used to auto play, now I have to click on watch now?

Also could someone post the girder file for theater-tech dvd?

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by darksoul
Is there a setting im missing somewhere? When I go to play stored videos they used to auto play, now I have to click on watch now?

Also could someone post the girder file for theater-tech dvd?

No setting that is how video library works in my STV. I may change it someday - depends if I add the admin buttons I want to add.

[mlbdude]

Version 1.4 is up.

Check the changelog as usual.

http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthread.php?postid=38484#post38484

Other than bug fixes I am going to freeze this release for awhile. I know people have asked for a lot of items but I want to focus on new looks for awhile.

Thanks!

[samson]

Is there a way to get whats recording to show up on the main menu page with backround selected not windowed????

I am also having a problem getting the live tv window to show up in the main menu.

Like it does in the picture on htpcnews

am I missing somthing??

[mlbdude]

The one on HTPCNews is a different STV than this one. This one does not support the LiveTV Preview on the main menu's.

[mike_orst]

where on HTPCNews are you talking about?

[mlbdude]

http://htpcnews.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4071&hl=

This one is probably not ready for prime time but may be fun to play with. It is based on an earlier version of this STV so may not include all of these features yet. All of the standard Sage stuff is there though.

I will be hosting a new thread on this site soon. Just wanted to give HTPCNews a bit of an exclusive for being such a big help to people getting into HTPC's.

[mike_orst]

The interface on HTPCnews rocks!

[beyond]

also keep in mind you can link people directly to the file via the file manager. For example, http://htpcnews.com/forums/index.php?download=9

will take them directly to the screen with a screen cap and will also let you track how many people have downloaded your file, how many people have looked at it, as well as having a "comments" section.

So far i'm really liking the file Manager that we've added, just have a few little kinks to work out and it'll be complete. :)

If anyone has any suggestions for it, feel free to let me know. I'm still working on the formatting of it a little bit... but for the most part, the functionality is there.

[samson]

I cant seem to get ther download to work at http://htpcnews.com/

nevermind Its all the way at the bottom

[beyond]

Yea, I think i'm going to move that "download this file" link to the top and make it bigger. ;)

Still working on layout issues.. should be happy here in a day or 2.

[samson]

sorry to post this here but when I try to post a reply on the The
forum at http://htpcnews.com

I get this error

error returned was:

Sorry, you do not have permission to reply to that topic

I installed the folder from http://htpcnews.com and it looks great nice and clean the only problem is it still does not show what is being recorded on the main menu but I have all the new icons
is there a setting that i missed ?

[mlbdude]

Bring up the Options menu on the Main Menu. You can enable the mini-browsers from there.

[samson]

wow thanks for the quick reply this is my favorite so far cant wait till you add all the features :jump: Thanks for taking the time to make these improvments :goodjob:

[Snuffy2]

I can't seem to get the Sleep command to appear on the Main Menu. It was there in 1.4b3 but now it's not.

My properties:
ui/main_menu_livetv_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_livetv_text=LiveTV Guide
ui/main_menu_mlib_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_mlib_text=Media Library & DVD
ui/main_menu_schedrec_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_schedrec_text=Schedule Recordings
ui/main_menu_setup_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_setup_text=Setup
ui/main_menu_sleep_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_sleep_text=Sleep Mode
ui/main_menu_sr_enabled=true
ui/main_menu_sr_text=SageTV Recordings
ui/main_menu_tv_enabled=false


Also - Is there any way to switch between your new 1 & 2 paned views besides editing the property:
use_mlbdude_sage_recordings

Thanx

[mlbdude]

use_mlbdude_sage_recordings

This is an old setting that Frey uses. I don't use it. If you do use it you will get an old version that does not work very well.

To switch between Sage Recording version leave that to false and use the UI to edit the Detailed Setup\Multimedia\Sage Recordings Menu setting.

FYI if you have any of the mini-browsers visible on the Main Menu, Sleep is always hidden.

[xlr8shun]

Originally posted by Snuffy2
Also - Is there any way to switch between your new 1 & 2 paned views besides editing the property:
use_mlbdude_sage_recordings
dunno bout your sleep thing, but, for the recording menu, quit sage (not sleep) set use_mlbdude_sage_recordings to false. restart sage, go to setup>detailed setup>multimedia, last option in the right hand pane, sage recordings menu either default, two pane vertical, or two pane horizontal.

also if you change stv files within sage, you should quit and restart sage for your new stuff to take effect (hopefully this wont be the case when studio is released)

[Snuffy2]

Originally posted by mlbdude

FYI if you have any of the mini-browsers visible on the Main Menu, Sleep is always hidden.

Any chance of getting sleep to go on the main menu with the mini-browsers in a future version?

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Snuffy2
Any chance of getting sleep to go on the main menu with the mini-browsers in a future version?

Possibly. It is gone now because of space reasons. I may make it not there by default then let the user turn it back on if they want (but the mini-browser will cover it up unless you remove another item).

The new MlbDude2 skin I put out has more room for menu items so I was able to fit all of them on there.

[Brett]

cmasters, the new alpha version is missing 2 pane view.

[mlbdude]

Originally posted by Brett
cmasters, the new alpha version is missing 2 pane view.

The new look version is based off an older design. It may or may not incorporate features from my standard version. I am even considering doing all new ones based off the given Frey version to keep maintenance at a minimum.

[darksoul]

Please with the new skin keep the built in DVD player for sage, The WAF (wife approval factor) went down considerably when she couldn’t use the dvd player in the HTPC.

Regards,

Thomas Sexton
tsexton@cincom.com
tsexton@lostclan.mynetwork.org