HdHomeRun - Our Answer to QAM?!

[Goodspike]

Originally Posted by Keenan

Is there any disadvantage to not setting this property if both tuners are being used with a cable feed?

If the only tuners you have are the HDHR, and you have them both set to QAM, I can't see what the advantage would be.

[Keenan]

Originally Posted by Goodspike

Within SageTV I'm getting the OTA HD channel number (39 for what would be Channel 7 if it were SD), even though it's the QAM recording. The HDHR manager is reporting it as recording 86-2--the QAM assignment (within Comcast it would be 107).

Okay, so you're seeing the same thing I am. Apparently there is no PSIP channel number support with the HDHR. It would be nice to have, but certainly not a drawback, or a necessity.

On the merit setting, makes sense, I was just curious.

[Polypro]

This is just personal preference but...if you can get QAM, what you get OTA, I would just use QAM for both tuners. That's what I'm doing because OTA for me, is the problem child (Even 100% channels wig out sometimes because someone in the control booth hit the wrong switch). QAM comes in at ~100% for everything. If you're doing 1 & 1 (OTA & QAM) it seems like you would have a doubling up in the guide (44 ABC-DT OTA & 82-3 ABC-DT QAM) and would need to set merit so both tuners don't record the same thing. Sage does need to be started for this to record...that's one of the advantages of service mode...you don't need to run the UI. My QAM channels are re-mapped to what the CLI HDHR app said they were.

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[Goodspike]

Originally Posted by Polypro

This is just personal preference but...if you can get QAM, what you get OTA, I would just use QAM for both tuners. That's what I'm doing because OTA for me, is the problem child (Even 100% channels wig out sometimes because someone in the control booth hit the wrong switch). QAM comes in at ~100% for everything. If you're doing 1 & 1 (OTA & QAM) it seems like you would have a doubling up in the guide (44 ABC-DT OTA & 82-3 ABC-DT QAM) and would need to set merit so both tuners don't record the same thing. Sage does need to be started for this to record...that's one of the advantages of service mode...you don't need to run the UI. My QAM channels are re-mapped to what the CLI HDHR app said they were.

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But I have one Fusion tuner that doesn't do QAM, so it's a bit different. Also, as I mentioned above, I'm not getting a double guide. Everything is showing under the OTA guide.

[Polypro]

Okay, I think I get it. The Fusion (I missed that part) and 1 HDHR are OTA. They will use the OTA line-up provided by Sage. The QAM HDHR would use the "Digital Cable" line-up in Sage, but just the ATSC channels will be selected..they're numbered virtually in the 200's in my area, and re-mapped to the actual channel the HDHR CLI or GUI app give you. Now, someone else will have to help out if you're using that "Digital Cable" lineup for your analog tuners and controlling an STB (Sage can't control "Line-up Per Tuner"...yet). I just run analog straight from the wall.

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[Goodspike]

Originally Posted by Polypro

Okay, I think I get it. The Fusion (I missed that part) and 1 HDHR are OTA. They will use the OTA line-up provided by Sage. The QAM HDHR would use the "Digital Cable" line-up in Sage, but just the ATSC channels will be selected..they're numbered virtually in the 200's in my area, and re-mapped to the actual channel the HDHR CLI or GUI app give you. Now, someone else will have to help out if you're using that "Digital Cable" lineup for your analog tuners and controlling an STB (Sage can't control "Line-up Per Tuner"...yet). I just run analog straight from the wall.

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Not quite. Only the Fusion is OTA. But the QAM channels for the two HDHR tuners don't show up in the programming guide (it doesn't duplicate). But when a program is to record from the OTA guide, it records on the HDHR if necessary.

I was expecting it to duplicate, but it didn't. BTW, I'm using the Digital Comcast for Seattle selection, and then selecting basic cable, not extended basic.

[Goodspike]

Originally Posted by MTuckman

1. I am running Sage as a service / client on the same PC, and whenever I am recording an HD program from the HDHR, the SageTVService starts eating up close to 100% of the CPU. It doesn't have to do with the HDHR encoder, as that is running on another PC and writing out to the shared drive on the server..

Anyone have any suggestions???

Are you running Zonealarm? As I mentioned, I'd submitted a bug report regarding excessive CPU use while using Service. It got worse with HDHR, but the cause was more apparent. Without ZoneAlarm my CPU use is less while watching HD and recording two streams, than it was before just watching one and recording. It's still not as low as without service, but it's lower.

[Goodspike]

To answer my own question above, HDHR will recover with just Sage Service running.

[Polypro]

GS,

For the HDHR via QAM, you should choose the Mac Daddy/Kitchen Sink "Digital Cable" line-up that lists everything. That should have all the HD channels a cable box could get in it. Usually they are in the 2-700's. Re-map those to 81-3, 92-1, etc (whatever the QAM scan gave). Then you should have that guide and the OTA guide integrated.

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[MTuckman]

Originally Posted by Goodspike

Are you running Zonealarm? As I mentioned, I'd submitted a bug report regarding excessive CPU use while using Service. It got worse with HDHR, but the cause was more apparent. Without ZoneAlarm my CPU use is less while watching HD and recording two streams, than it was before just watching one and recording. It's still not as low as without service, but it's lower.

Nope - No Zonealarm, no antivirus, nothing. I have since removed the Sage server, which I hated to do as every once in a while the sage UI has to be killed / reloaded. CPU usage is still pretty high, but performance is much better little stuttering, and little thread-hang messages and UI lock ups.

And I also submitted a bug report and sent in my log files showing the HUGE number of "AWTThread Hang Detected" messages. I wish there was a way to drop back to version 5 for now and have my Wiz.bin file converted back.

[Keenan]

What is the "wiz.bin" file? When I went from 6 back to 5 I used Windows Add/Remove app to remove Sage 6. When I reinstalled 5 it apparently retained the settings I had originally made as it had the encoders already set up, so I'm guessing that some of the original info is retained. I didn't check to see if the whole Sage directory had been removed so that's probably the case.

[justme]

This is off the current thread of this post, and is just a follow up to an earlier post of mine.

I'm just posting an update on my decision to spend my Xmas gift's cred to get one of these. Anybody who has one and has it working is so lucky. Mine is appearantly lost in some bizarro shipping limbo. I'm in contact with the both 9th Tee and UPS about getting this sorted out. I'm sure it will work out, since others have had such good results. With my luck it'll come right after Xmas.

Peace and I hope you all enjoy your toy, while I suffer.

/justme

[Goodspike]

Well, UPS didn't even ring the bell when they left mine on the front porch. I'd heard others complain of that, but in the past they've always rang and then left it on the side porch, not the front porch. So I'm lucky I have mine!

[thomaszoo]

They've stopped ringing my bell for deliveries, too. But I knew it was coming and was actively keeping an eye (ear) out for it.

I suppose someone sued them for disturbing the peace.

Wayne

[MTuckman]

Originally Posted by Keenan

What is the "wiz.bin" file?

Keenan, The wiz.bin file stores all of the schedule information, recordings, favorites, watched shows, etc. for SageTV. Downgrading from 6 to 5 should have replaced that file and resulted in your previous show settings removed.

Any of the settings that are stored within the sagetv.properties file would be retained, including encoders, channel lineups, etc.

[Keenan]

Originally Posted by MTuckman

Keenan, The wiz.bin file stores all of the schedule information, recordings, favorites, watched shows, etc. for SageTV. Downgrading from 6 to 5 should have replaced that file and resulted in your previous show settings removed.

Any of the settings that are stored within the sagetv.properties file would be retained, including encoders, channel lineups, etc.

Thanks, none of that is important to me at this stage, so loosing that info is not a big deal. So apparently, when doing an Add/Remove of Sage the properties file is retained, and that would explain why all my encoders/channel lineups were already setup. Good to know.

[bhyman1]

I'm able to watch Live TV perfectly, but recordings are a mess. Blocky picture in spots, pops in the audio, etc.

I'm able to playback HD recordings from my Fusion5 Lite perfectly on the two HTPC's I tested this on, but not from the Homerun. I tried in both SageTV and VLS with the same results.

Are you guys running RC1 yet? I'm going to upgrade to it to see if it solves the problem.

edit: now live tv isn't working either, for a standard def tv show!

I'll just reset the whole thing and see if that resolves the issue.

[bhyman1]

Quick update. I shutdown Sage and unplugged the HDHomeRun for an hour and let it sit. I HomeRun was a little on the warm side from sitting on top of a cable box (duh!) so I moved it off to the side where it could stay cool.

After firing everything back up it working again with LiveTV.

Hopefully it will continue to stay cool and work well.

[autoboy]

So I installed MagikDHCP, and now I can't reach the internet. I can do anything local, i'm remote desktoped into it now, but it seems like the DNS is missing or something because internet explorer just times out. I like the fact that the HDHR now does not load my network, but i'm gonna need some internet. Any ideas?

[ToxMox]

In the Network Connections window go to the Advanced menu then click on Advanced Settings then put you network card that has internet access at the top of the list. See if that helps.