HD200 Stock

[Naylia]

18. What is the definition of an “IT Pro?”
IT Professionals plan, install or configure, deploy, integrate, manage and support the technology infrastructure for their organization and its end users and may be either employees of the organization or employees of a vendor hired to perform the relevant IT services for it. Positions held and/or functions performed by IT Pros include: Help Desk Technicians, Desktop Technicians, Desktop Administrators, Server Administrator, Database Administrator, IT Manager, and Infrastructure Specialist.

Sounds like what I do for my family, a collection of people and animals which could easily be construed as an organization.

[wrems]

Yikes, I just timed my cold boot time to get into standalone mode. I pulled both power and cat5 from the back to ensure that it only would go into standalone mode and it took 2 minutes 14 seconds to get to the main menu.

Does anyone have any ideas of what could be causing this? It's always been that way and have just gotten used to it and thought that is the way it was supposed to be. There seems to be no settings to adjust as far as I can tell.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Naylia

Sounds like what I do for my family, a collection of people and animals which could easily be construed as an organization.

Sure, that's fine.. however, the other part of the terms talk about the usage of the license. Only for evaluation/testing purposes, not production/live use. In the end, as mentioned earlier, using TechNet to get cheaper licenses for your home computers is no more legal than simply downloading a pirated version. You have no legal right to the license, if you are not going to use it within the bounds of said license.

[ChaOConnor]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Sure, that's fine.. however, the other part of the terms talk about the usage of the license. Only for evaluation/testing purposes, not production/live use. In the end, as mentioned earlier, using TechNet to get cheaper licenses for your home computers is no more legal than simply downloading a pirated version. You have no legal right to the license, if you are not going to use it within the bounds of said license.

I'm am truly sorry for having brought this up... My apologies to all.

For what it's worth, I own a OEM version of WHS and a retail version for Windows 7... the Tech Net is for testing as I do code work in my "free time" and it's easy to test on various VM for different OS's, plus the other apps. Wouldn't anyone thinking I'm super-software-pirate over here!

[gplasky]

ANd not to throw another monkey wrench into this whole licensing discussion but according to the terms of the license and Microsoft your OS is licensed to the machine you purchased. (If you bought a machine with the OS preloaded) In no way can you take that OS and install it on another machine. Even if you destroy that original machine. The license of the OS goes with the hardware. So I'm not talking about purchasing an OEM version. (Sorry for the continued derail.)

Gerry

[Naylia]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Sure, that's fine.. however, the other part of the terms talk about the usage of the license. Only for evaluation/testing purposes, not production/live use. In the end, as mentioned earlier, using TechNet to get cheaper licenses for your home computers is no more legal than simply downloading a pirated version. You have no legal right to the license, if you are not going to use it within the bounds of said license.

Oh yes, I understand that. I just thought it was hilarious that the definition of IT Professional pretty much defines every person here I know that I've definitely been a phone based Help Desk / manage & deploy networks / etc...

[Bikeman]

Originally Posted by gplasky

ANd not to throw another monkey wrench into this whole licensing discussion but according to the terms of the license and Microsoft your OS is licensed to the machine you purchased. (If you bought a machine with the OS preloaded) In no way can you take that OS and install it on another machine. Even if you destroy that original machine. The license of the OS goes with the hardware. So I'm not talking about purchasing an OEM version. (Sorry for the continued derail.)

Gerry

Gplasky,

That's not entirely correct.

There are 4 major ways one can purchase a Microsoft OS.

1) OEM - this is the version that is attached to the machine, technically the motherboard. If you change the motherboard in the machine, one needs to buy another copy of Windows, with the exception of a manufacturer's authorized replacement motherboard. i.e. exact replacement or the manufacturer's authorized replacement for a discontinued motherboard.

2) Retail - this version can be installed on a single machine. One can transfer the OS to a new machine as long as the old one is erased/destroyed. In the case of multiple versions in the box/sleeve, i.e. 32 bit or 64 bit, only one can be installed on one machine.

3) Volume License - this version is primarily for business, one basically pays a monthly/yearly fee to MS for each user/machine.

4) Refurbisher License - this is a relatively new version is primarily for charities/non-profits/schools/government. One can register as a refurbisher and purchase blocks of licenses to install an OS on a donated machine, similar to an OEM version, the license follows the motherboard.

Of course MS has many other ways of selling their products (educational and government come to mind) and is sometimes very,very confusing.

Jeff

[darcilicious]

Interesting little side-note in this post: http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...54&postcount=5

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by Bikeman

Gplasky,

That's not entirely correct.

There are 4 major ways one can purchase a Microsoft OS.

1) OEM - this is the version that is attached to the machine, technically the motherboard. If you change the motherboard in the machine, one needs to buy another copy of Windows, with the exception of a manufacturer's authorized replacement motherboard. i.e. exact replacement or the manufacturer's authorized replacement for a discontinued motherboard.

2) Retail - this version can be installed on a single machine. One can transfer the OS to a new machine as long as the old one is erased/destroyed. In the case of multiple versions in the box/sleeve, i.e. 32 bit or 64 bit, only one can be installed on one machine.

3) Volume License - this version is primarily for business, one basically pays a monthly/yearly fee to MS for each user/machine.

4) Refurbisher License - this is a relatively new version is primarily for charities/non-profits/schools/government. One can register as a refurbisher and purchase blocks of licenses to install an OS on a donated machine, similar to an OEM version, the license follows the motherboard.

Of course MS has many other ways of selling their products (educational and government come to mind) and is sometimes very,very confusing.

Jeff

Here is what I got from Microsoft as an OEM.

What is the difference between OEM product and Full-Packaged Product (FPP)?

ANSWER. OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before the end user purchases the product. They are “shrink wrapped” and do not come in a box like the retail products do. Full-Packaged Product (FPP) is boxed with CD(s), manuals, and the EULA and is sold in retail stores in individual boxes. The End User License Agreements (commonly referred to as “EULAs”) for OEM and FPP products are slightly different. One main difference is that an OEM operating system license (such as the license for Windows) cannot be transferred from its original PC to another PC. However, the FPP version of Windows may be transferred to another PC as long as the EULA, manual and media (such as the backup CD) accompany the transfer to the other PC. Also, when a customer purchases an OEM product, the OEM license requires the OEM to provide support for the product.


Can I transfer my operating system license from an old PC to a new one?

ANSWER. Not unless it was purchased as a Full-Packaged Product from a retail store (i.e., Windows in a box). Current OEM licenses for all Microsoft operating system products are not transferable from one machine to another. The End User License Agreement (EULA) governs the terms for transfer of licenses. Some EULAs for copies of certain older OEM operating system products (i.e., MS-DOS®, Windows® 3.1, and Windows for Workgroups 3.1) distributed in 1995 or earlier may permit transfer of the OEM operating system software license under limited circumstances. (See Software Product Transfer section of your End User License Agreement.)

If I “retire” a PC with an OEM license on it, can I use that software on a new PC?

ANSWER. No. To put it simply, OEM product is “married” to the original PC on which it was installed. Current OEM licenses are not transferable from one machine to another. The software cannot be moved from PC to PC, even if the original PC it was installed on is no longer in use. This is true for all OEM software - operating systems and applications.

Gerry

[rrhorer]

Originally Posted by gplasky

Here is what I got from Microsoft as an OEM.
Gerry

Having purchased a couple of OEM OS's (MCE 2005 and Windows 7) from NewEgg, I've researched this a bit. There are a lot of opinions on how Microsoft handles licensing issues for individuals; so, I would not settle with one Microsoft representative's view as being the last word on the subject. For instance, if "OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before the end user purchases the product", why would NewEgg even be allowed (if not actually encouraged) to sell OEM OS's? Answer: first and foremost, Microsoft is in the business of making money. I buy MCE 2005 OEM for a fairly lack-luster system; then, I build a much improved system and purchase an upgrade versioin of Vista (a piece of crap, BTW). In theory, the EULA does not allow this; but Microsoft has no problem because they are making money. NewEgg sells Windows 7 Home Premium OEM for $99.99 and Windows 7 Home Premium Full for $180.93. For an HTPC that I build myself, I'll go with OEM and worry about transfer issues if and when the need arises.

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by wrems

Are you guys saying the initial cold boot time for myself and MCE Refugee are not normal?

I started another thread about this issue a while ago & nobody contradicted my assertion that the HD200 takes literally minutes to start up from power on. http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47147

I am amazed that people here say their HD200s only take 15 seconds. Mine has been like that ever since I purchased it a couple of years ago.

[sleonard]

I just timed a cold boot. It took 50 seconds from inserting the power cable to Sage main menu. In an earlier post I timed a warm boot at 14 seconds. My question is why does cold boot time matter? You should be leaving it plugged in and use the power button on the remote to start it up.

S

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by rrhorer

Having purchased a couple of OEM OS's (MCE 2005 and Windows 7) from NewEgg, I've researched this a bit. There are a lot of opinions on how Microsoft handles licensing issues for individuals; so, I would not settle with one Microsoft representative's view as being the last word on the subject. For instance, if "OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before the end user purchases the product", why would NewEgg even be allowed (if not actually encouraged) to sell OEM OS's?

Because of the disclaimer they provide when selling it. Newegg knows their customer base. And some are pseudo-OEMs. Not officially licensed OEMs thru Microsoft but that OEM-type of customer. The info I provided was from Microsoft's FAQ from their System Builder OEM doumentation I received when I became a MS OEM.

From Newegg's website on every OEM MS OS product

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Professional Version OEM Disclaimer: Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended for pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM System Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support for the Windows

Gerry

[bcjenkins]

So when can we get back to speculating about HD200 Stock and the super secret HD Extenderator 3000. (Wow! Wow! Wubbzy! Reference)?

[gplasky]

How about now.

Netgear NeoTV or HD300+ ?

Nothing but speculation.

Gerry

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by heffneil

Fuzzy what do you use for IR? How are you controlling this box? When do you think you will have this setup and running? Also what iSCI device are you using for the OS?

Edit: Also what video card are you using? I didn't see that listed? But I see that the board has video in VGA and HDMI but I don't see which card is that? None is listed?

IR is via an old USB-UIRT i had collecting dust. Got the setup finalized yesterday. I just wanted to get it up and running, so I threw an older laptop hdd I had (laptop GPU was bad) in there, installed win7-32, and fired it up. System works great, even have it turning the TV on and off (RS-232) with the sage screen saver (I'll have to publish that import here in the next day or so). I still plan on attempting the netwoprk booting, as an experiment more than anything.

The video card (if you call it that) is the intel i3 cpu. It contains all the GPU tasks inside, and works perfectly fine when coupled with an intel H55 or H57 motherboard (supports HD Audio passthrough, as well). HTPC'ers dream cpu/chipset combo, really...

[heffneil]

So you have this functioning as a extender and its working 100% Do you have a kill-a-watt? Just curious if you saw wattage draw.

I am thinking of building a box and using an SSD. I want DTS to work with my bluray rips.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by heffneil

So you have this functioning as a extender and its working 100% Do you have a kill-a-watt? Just curious if you saw wattage draw.

I am thinking of building a box and using an SSD. I want DTS to work with my bluray rips.

honestly, if you've already got an HD extender, it'd probably be better to buy a cheap home theater system to get your DTS. I definitely wouldn't recommend using an SSD. It'd be a pointless expense. A sage client doesn't use much to any harddrive access, so an SSD won't gain you anything.

[heffneil]

The HD200 wont decode DTS?

Which version of Win 7 are you running?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by heffneil

The HD200 wont decode DTS?

Decode? no, it won't.. but it will pass the untouched DTS core out the SPDIF or HDMI ports to be decoded by a receiver.

Originally Posted by heffneil

Which version of Win 7 are you running?

Win7 Home Premium. nothing complicated.. its currently a win7 pc, with a usb-uirt controlling sage, and sageclient set to run on boot.