HD200 Stock

[cat6man]

yes, and md5 file so we know the text wasn't edited after the fact

[Chriscic]

Just my two-cents: I can't imagine a HD300 on the near-horizon. I don't see how it would make any sense for Sage. Developing/supporting a new unit takes resources, and how much functionality is there to add right now other than HD sound? (I suspect other users will straighten me out here though : ) )

For what it's worth, I recently email Sage about fixing my HD100 and they said alternatively they'd give me $20 off the HD200 when it cam eback in stock.

[Bizarroterl]

If the HD300 came out it'd take about a week before someone complained that it didn't support 3D. Hmm, maybe the HD300 will be 3D.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by Bizarroterl

If the HD300 came out it'd take about a week before someone complained that it didn't support 3D. Hmm, maybe the HD300 will be 3D.

The HD200 plays back 3d afaik

[QueOnda]

Originally Posted by Chriscic

For what it's worth, I recently email Sage about fixing my HD100 and they said alternatively they'd give me $20 off the HD200 when it cam eback in stock.

Maybe it's a HD200.5

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Brent

The HD200 plays back 3d afaik

That would depend on the format. Left/Right half resolution would work.. but that's assuming your display can accept that as an input format.

[Suntan]

Originally Posted by Chriscic

Just my two-cents: I can't imagine a HD300 on the near-horizon. I don't see how it would make any sense for Sage.

It makes some sense. Personally, I have no plans to buy a player that doesn’t support HD audio bitstreaming. I’ll take my money elsewhere. I’d buy an HD300 with that support as soon as they announced it, but if they just announce that they have more HD200s in stock, I’ll go get one of those new Dunes that are price competitive with the HD200, but with better playback support for Blu Ray material.

Personally for me, I would like to have another Sage player for the basement so the interface is the same as the other TVs, but for the basement better Blu Ray playback support is more important than being able to schedule TV recordings.

Feel free to continue prancing around declaring that you don’t have a desire for an updated extender, that’s fine. Just don’t assume that the rest of us feel the same way. The reality is that there is a large market for media players and it is growing day by day. Support for HD audio bitstreaming is a mandatory requirement for a lot of people now.

-Suntan

[Fuzzy]

Yeah, how DARE you specifically include Suntan in your post... Honestly though.. the percentage of people who even have a single HD reveiver in their homes is limited. Those that have one at every set is probably far less than 0.1%. Now, that doesn't mean they need to get DTS downmixing working on the HD200, but I don't see he overwhelming need for the HD300, other than market parity.

[HelenWeathers]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Yeah, how DARE you specifically include Suntan in your post... Honestly though.. the percentage of people who even have a single HD reveiver in their homes is limited. Those that have one at every set is probably far less than 0.1%. Now, that doesn't mean they need to get DTS downmixing working on the HD200, but I don't see he overwhelming need for the HD300, other than market parity.

Well, I have 4 HD TVs and 4 HD200s in my home. To make my BD movies work at every TV I have to include an AC3 track with every movie or have an AV receiver at each location. A lot of work for me (or more money and wasted space for receiver/speakers where not really needed)

If Sage could downmix DTS with the HD200 I think they already would have.

We need an extender that does downmix. That would be an HD300 I think.

I'll be buying 4 when they become available.

[Naylia]

Agreed, I could see myself upgrading and selling my old one just for this capability. I hate having to remix an AC3 track on my Blu-rays. I'd like to just leave them completely untouched. I don't even need lossless, (but it would be nice), just the ability to at least playback the core DTS track would be enough to make me happy.

[Suntan]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Yeah, how DARE you specifically include Suntan in your post...

Ha Ha's aside, a quick read through the various (non-sage) forums shows that there is a big desire for streamers and media players, most people won't even entertain the notion of the Sage extenders when they hear that they don't support HD audio, let alone regular DTS.

Anyway, the comment was how someone didn't see how it would make any sense for Sage to release an HD300. The reality is that there is a market for an updated streamer with DTS decode bare minimum, full HD audio preferably.

-Suntan

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by HelenWeathers

Well, I have 4 HD TVs and 4 HD200s in my home. To make my BD movies work at every TV I have to include an AC3 track with every movie or have an AV receiver at each location. A lot of work for me (or more money and wasted space for receiver/speakers where not really needed)

If Sage could downmix DTS with the HD200 I think they already would have.

We need an extender that does downmix. That would be an HD300 I think.

I'll be buying 4 when they become available.

Sage already has the components to be able to do this in the sage server (SageTVTranscoder). It would be a matter of them developing a method for transcoding the audio, while leaving the video untouched (copy mode in ffdshow). Ever notice that DTS files play fine in placeshifter mode? DTS wasn't a 'real' issue until BluRay's became more common, because prior to that, DTS was always just an 'extra'.

[Smiley]

Originally Posted by cat6man

can we get a clarification of exactly what george said?

@HelenWaters and cat6man:

What George litterally 'said' was:

'We should have more HD Extenders this month if everything goes well.'

I assumed this to be HD200's.

# Smiley

[HelenWeathers]

Originally Posted by Smiley

@HelenWaters and cat6man:

What George litterally 'said' was:

'We should have more HD Extenders this month if everything goes well.'

I assumed this to be HD200's.

# Smiley

Thanks, Smiley. That gives me hope for an HD300. Now we continue to wait.

[bialio]

I'm hoping for an HD400.

100 - 200 - 400 - 800. Seems like it makes more sense to double

[Brent]

Originally Posted by bialio

I'm hoping for an HD400.

100 - 200 - 400 - 800. Seems like it makes more sense to double

I'm thinking that HD1000 will be pretty sweet. Holograph-ready and all.

[Naylia]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Sage already has the components to be able to do this in the sage server (SageTVTranscoder). It would be a matter of them developing a method for transcoding the audio, while leaving the video untouched (copy mode in ffdshow). Ever notice that DTS files play fine in placeshifter mode? DTS wasn't a 'real' issue until BluRay's became more common, because prior to that, DTS was always just an 'extra'.

I don't think they would take this approach. One of the huge benefits of the HD200 is that there is no transcoding on the server.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Naylia

I don't think they would take this approach. One of the huge benefits of the HD200 is that there is no transcoding on the server.

Transcoding the audio only is not much work at all. It's certainly a better solution than the silence DTS rips contain on the HD200 now.

Keep in mind, i don't own an HD200, not just because of the DTS issues - My bluray rips DO play back with sound just fine on my MVP though... ;-)

either way, a 'proper' server-client system would communicate some sort of capabilities from the client to the server (like whether it can decode DTS, Ac3, or just stereo sound), and the server would selectively transcode the required portions to make playback 'just work'.

For instance, 'SageTVTranscoder.exe -i SleepingBeauty.m2ts -vcodec copy -acodec ac3 SleepingBeauty.mkv' Will transcode JUST the audio, leaving the video untouched. On my Sage Server (Phenom II 550), it transcodes at about 330fps, over 13x realtime, meaning on my system, on the fly transcoding of the DTS to AC3 would result in about 8% extra CPU usage on a one of my two cores... Hardly a major hit to system performance.

[Suntan]

I don't think any of us would be opposed to the DTS transcoding fix that has been asked for for a long time. The fact remains that it has not been supported.

And with no hint of it in v7, it doesn't look likely any time soon.

-Suntan

[Naylia]

That's because the fix isn't in v7...it's in the soon to be released HD300

Said HD300 probably also includes support for the DRM required by CableLabs and Netflix and everything else magical on the wishlist for Christmas.