HD300 24p playback?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by stanger89

I think most DLPs still run at at top of 60, but the better ones, like my planar, actually slow down to 48Hz refresh for 24Hz material (same effect as 120Hz).

Maybe in the front projection space, but I think all of samsung and mitsubishi's RPTV's form the last couple years all used the same 120Hz wobulated, checkerboard DLP in them. That 120Hz checkerboard is the basis for the 3D display as well.

[Suntan]

Hmmm... smooth as PS3 huh? For the limited time I had the HD200 in the basement (after I finally got it to run native 24p) it still didn't seem to be as smooth as the PS3 at 24p even on a PJ running FI.

I'm stoked.

While we're getting expectations jacked up beyond reality, any reason to believe that the HD300 will handle any and every forced sub possible to author onto a commercial disc? (Avatar forced subs not showing up or staying on screen for minutes after they are past, I'm looking right at you.)

-Suntan

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Suntan

Hmmm... smooth as PS3 huh? For the limited time I had the HD200 in the basement (after I finally got it to run native 24p) it still didn't seem to be as smooth as the PS3 at 24p even on a PJ running FI.

I'm stoked.

While we're getting expectations jacked up beyond reality, any reason to believe that the HD300 will handle any and every forced sub possible to author onto a commercial disc? (Avatar forced subs not showing up or staying on screen for minutes after they are past, I'm looking right at you.)

-Suntan

In my opinion yes it is as good and I leave my AFI off

As for the forced subs I had a couple of bug reports during early testing of the hd300 but as of late avatar has been playing good for me with subtitles showing correctly

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Maybe in the front projection space, but I think all of samsung and mitsubishi's RPTV's form the last couple years all used the same 120Hz wobulated, checkerboard DLP in them. That 120Hz checkerboard is the basis for the 3D display as well.

Front projectors are the only way

Either way I bought into front project last year and it is amazing what $2k can buy these days as far as projectors go.

[impro]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Yes and it is also allot easier to tell issues on 110" than a smaller tv. Needless to say I am pleasantly pleased with the picture quality after adjusting my projector to match it. The 200 never looked right especially @ 24fps and fast motion scenes like you stated.

Is your projector 120hz Projector?

[impro]

AGAIN I need to repeat:
HD100 and HD200 are excellent for BD 24p playback except certain medium speed horizontal pans
I see the same issues with PS3 but not as much.
I tried the 23 in the property file instead of 24 but it was even worst.

It sucks I do not live in PAL country anymore!

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by impro

AGAIN I need to repeat:
HD100 and HD200 are excellent for BD 24p playback except certain medium speed horizontal pans
I see the same issues with PS3 but not as much.
I tried the 23 in the property file instead of 24 but it was even worst.

It sucks I do not live in PAL country anymore!

They are good yes, but like I stated the hd300 provides a better overall picture. I done know much about this stuff chip wise but the hd300 just seemed to calibrate better to the my screen overall and provides a better picture IMHO.

And for refernce I don't see the horizontal panning on my ps3 or hd300. So either I don see it or my projector it handling it better

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by impro

Is your projector 120hz Projector?

Yes it is.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by impro

Is your projector 120hz Projector?

FWIW, you don't need a "120Hz" for 24p to be handled right. JVC's handle it right with their 96Hz panel refresh. Many DLPs (Planar, Runco, BenQ, etc) do it by switching to 48Hz refresh.

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Yes it is.

Wild curiosity, what is it?

[impro]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

They are good yes, but like I stated the hd300 provides a better overall picture. I done know much about this stuff chip wise but the hd300 just seemed to calibrate better to the my screen overall and provides a better picture IMHO.

And for refernce I don't see the horizontal panning on my ps3 or hd300. So either I don see it or my projector it handling it better

It is there. PS3 has it as well.

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Yes it is.

For some reason it never looked OK for me on 120HZ.

Originally Posted by stanger89

FWIW, you don't need a "120Hz" for 24p to be handled right. JVC's handle it right with their 96Hz panel refresh. Many DLPs (Planar, Runco, BenQ, etc) do it by switching to 48Hz refresh.

On plasma displays 48khz shows flicker in white arias.

[impro]

I use to work for a event/ live concerts company.
We played Blue Rays on this Panasonic projector as big as the trunk of my car.
DO not remember the model.
All I can say is WOW.
In my evaluation for 24P screens my reference point is the movie theater
for 15 years before I left my country I watched 4-5 movies for free every week.
I have watched more Cinema then TV... maybe.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by impro

On plasma displays 48khz shows flicker in white arias.

Plasmas, like CRTs have phosphors that have a decay time. They need sufficiently fast decaying phosphors so as to not create blur at more normal refresh rates (60Hz), so like when you run a CRT at a refresh too slow, I'm not surprised a plasma a 48Hz flickers.

Projectors work differently, they don't decay (well excluding CRT projectors). They are active for the entire refresh period. So when you run projector at 48Hz, there's no decay, no flicker, it's just the image is logically updated less often.

In fact on a DLP, even if it's operating at "48Hz", in reality the image is still being refreshed much faster, probably 240Hz on the higher end models. DLPs typically refresh at 5-6x the refresh rate these days.

And just curious, if you said I think I missed it, but is there any device through which you haven't seen this motion issue?

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by impro

It is there. PS3 has it as well.

You say that but how do you know it is the ps3 and not the tv/projector it is being viewed on. I haven't seen it on mine nor have I seen it any any reviews of the ps3.

[impro]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

You say that but how do you know it is the ps3 and not the tv/projector it is being viewed on. I haven't seen it on mine nor have I seen it any any reviews of the ps3.

yes it is the PS3.
I owned 2 24 capable pana plasmas and see it on both tvs.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by impro

yes it is the PS3.

well, I guess that answered that question...

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

well, I guess that answered that question...

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by impro

yes it is the PS3.
I owned 2 24 capable pana plasmas and see it on both tvs.

Have you ever not seen it?

[impro]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Have you ever not seen it?

Only in movie theaters and from the computer on Lacie 22 CRT direct output from my Premiere CS5 and NVIDIA gtx 285 running mercury engine. Crt runs at 120HZ 1920X1200.
And Yes I know 120hz on lcd does not mean anything.
LCD for me does not mean anything.
NEver owned one.
I never got used to it. I still have 2 dying CRTS the Lacie and Viewsonic PF22 professional. Other then brightness and contrast fading everything is amazing.

BTW I watched Crazy Heart yesterday on the HD200 and V10 and there was no problem at all!!!!
The entire movie has very slow pans.
I guess the DP was treating the camera as a FILM camera.
Nowadays DPs move the cameras any way
they want as fast as they want.

[Suntan]

Originally Posted by impro

Only in movie theaters and from the computer on Lacie 22 CRT direct output from my Premiere CS5 and NVIDIA gtx 285 running mercury engine. Crt runs at 120HZ 1920X1200.
And Yes I know 120hz on lcd does not mean anything.
LCD for me does not mean anything.
NEver owned one.
I never got used to it. I still have 2 dying CRTS the Lacie and Viewsonic PF22 professional. Other then brightness and contrast fading everything is amazing.

Seriously dude, you’re not impressing anyone. Do you actually have an issue that you want resolved, or do you just want to feel superior?

-Suntan

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by impro

Only in movie theaters and from the computer on Lacie 22 CRT direct output from my Premiere CS5 and NVIDIA gtx 285 running mercury engine. Crt runs at 120HZ 1920X1200.

Then I would lean seriously toward the issue being your display. CRTs and Cinemas work very differently.