Why I won't use Sage still...

[justme]

OK, so then your issue comes down to getting someone to modify the SageTV STV so that on sleeping it would call myHTPC to focus. Correct? I'm just trying to simplify this. Form what this meager mind knows from using Studio this should be possible.* The question is getting someone to do it, who has the correct knowledge/skill/time. I personally feel I'm lacking in the area of properly handing focus back. I'm not sure of exactly want .exe and parameters to call from Studio, since I'm a Girder idiot. Anyway I gotta get some sleep. I'll look at this thread later.

EDIT:*One other thing is that this would be a change that would have to be a customization, not a general change in Sage's behavior. Since even though such a change would help you(maybe others), it would likely cause many other people's existing Girder configs and even some custom user apps to break. This is because they are expecting focus to be in a different state, just like it is now. I'm not saying someone shouldn't try to do this, just that there is more than one way to set an HTPC up. And depending on how you built things, a change can be good or bad.

Best of luck.

[debennett2]

In my case, it is actually Meedio (H2) , which I am not at liberty to talk about other than that I am using it. In other cases it is mostly myHTPC. I appreciate your concern with the issue at hand even if you aren't sure how to fix it though! Thanks a bunch!

[debennett2]

Another possible way to fix this is to open open Studio to me (i'm not sure who I would need to talk to) so I can fix the problem for everyone involved (provided it can be done). I'm at work, but I don't plan on doing much since it's Friday...at least that is the plan. Let's hope the 100+ computers and network hardware/software agree with me though....)

[mlbdude]

The problem lies in the fact that SageTV does not properly give back focus. Whatever goes on when minimized to the tray needs to be fixed really.

This is not a problem with Sage it is a problem with Windows. Any application that minimizes to the tray will do it. You can also configure Windows to not allow the task bar to steal focus.

[debennett2]

This is not a problem with Sage it is a problem with Windows. Any application that minimizes to the tray will do it. You can also configure Windows to not allow the task bar to steal focus.

Firstly, that is very untrue. I have been a longtime user of Snapstream and have NEVER had this issue with Snapstream. It minimizes to the tasktray. Also, it is not the task bar that is stealing focus as I have "keep taskbar on top of other windows" unchecked in Windows.

[mlbdude]

SS does not minimize to the task-tray. It closes the full screen interface completely. That icon is always in the task tray.

[debennett2]

Moot point however.

[mlbdude]

The point is if you are going to use Sage and are waiting for a "fix" to that problem rather than solving it yourself you will be waiting forever.

At least until Windows source code is released.

[debennett2]

No one has given me any suggestion that there is a way to fix it in my situation that i am aware of. Suggesting that I am too lazy to fix it myself is rather rude at best. Consider the fact that I am rather new to this forum overall as well as to Sage. Reason-being that I am so new anyhow is because of Sage's poor support efforts in the past (Directv serial port control specifically). Now I am almost being attacked for complaining about another shortcoming?

[mlbdude]

I think you get attacked because of your confrontational attitude and the general nonconstructive nature of your posts. A persons first reaction will always be to attack back.

Just try and slow down and do the research before you post something. Posting inaccurate information with your above mentioned tone just makes it worse.

[debennett2]

I apologize if I come across as confrontational. Maybe I am by nature. I jsut think for the cost of the product that these little things should have been taken care of. I could care less about DVD playback, Studio, picture viewers, or any of that...especially if little things like focus and, until very recently, serial control don't work. That makes and breaks the software in my case. Once again, I apologize for sounding like a jerk, I would just like to get to the bottom of this.

[jominor]

Originally posted by debennett2
I apologize if I come across as confrontational. Maybe I am by nature. I jsut think for the cost of the product that these little things should have been taken care of. I could care less about DVD playback, Studio, picture viewers, or any of that...especially if little things like focus and, until very recently, serial control don't work. That makes and breaks the software in my case. Once again, I apologize for sounding like a jerk, I would just like to get to the bottom of this.

But perhaps this isn't an issue for some of us. I used SS from 3.3 and 3.4. It stuttered. It failed consistently to change channels when I invoked the EPG over the tv, the picture wasn't as clear as Sage, and it didn't support multiple tuners. I had the myHTPC and SS setup, also.

To me, for my money, those were much bigger than whether or not something got focus when moving to the iconbar when I was done watching.

[debennett2]

I did not say that one product was superior to another and I'd like to avoid that type of discussion. My problem is that I would like to finally use Sage now that the serial control issue has been resolved and a "final" release has been issued of the product. I paid for it QUITE some time ago and have not used it. It's time to start getting what I paid for but I'm not about to create a button on my remote JUST to close Sagetv (or "sleep" as some would put it) nor am I going to grab a keyboard to do so. Any suggestions, tips, or tools would be greatly appreciated.

[stanger89]

OK, I think it was me that started this whole Sleep/Close discussion as well as the rest of this thread, and I appologise, it was not my intention to attack you or anything, but I think it was your choise of thread title as much as anything, not using an app that meets your needs because of the way one button is named seems kind of silly, but thats me.

Anyway, here's a GML that should handle the returning of focus to myHTPC (you'll have to change the target to whatever you are using)

[kny3twalker]

hey stranger can I have a copy of all the gml's you use in your setup of Sage/ I am guessing HTPC/ TT if you use it etc....

[stanger89]

I would but my GML is kind of a mess, I generally only use Sage and foobar2000, haven't found a frontend I really like for music yet.

[debennett2]

stanger, thanks for the gml. I understand how it is suppose to work and all but when I go to change the group (with the browse button) that it is looking for, girder goes crazy and highlights the last command in the command group you sent..not letting me make the group change. Any ideas what that is all about? Thanks.

[gplasky]

Disable the group that looks for task switching ot task create. Then go and make your changes. Don't forget to re-enable the group when you want to test it.

Gerry

[stanger89]

Originally posted by debennett2
stanger, thanks for the gml. I understand how it is suppose to work and all but when I go to change the group (with the browse button) that it is looking for, girder goes crazy and highlights the last command in the command group you sent..not letting me make the group change. Any ideas what that is all about? Thanks.

Just hit F9 to disable the input device (stops girder from recieving events/executing commands). Then just hit F9 again when you're done to re-enable it.

[Opus4]

Originally posted by debennett2
I'm talking about when Sagetv is minimized to the tray, whatever frontend one is using does not get [focus] back...the frontend is there but one would have to alt-tab or click in order to get one's remote to work again.

I tried this & you are right: By default, SageTV is not doing whatever it needs to do in order to give up focus when placed into the systray when put to sleep. Try this: exit SageTV & edit your Sage.properties file. Search for & set:

dispose_windows=true

Restart SageTV. After I did this, SageTV gave up focus upon sleeping, which then returned to the previous window that had it. One warning: I have no idea whether this setting has any other effect on SageTV. I haven't noticed anything bad happening, but be sure to let us know if you see something unexpected.

- Andy