Schedules Direct EPG (integrated BETA)

[Shaw]

Originally Posted by EnterNoEscape

It's not random, but it might feel like it. It always runs again 24 hours after the last update finished. That means it moves a little forward with each run.

Gotcha, makes kinda sense. Not the way I would have coded a cronjob like event But I guess it works.

Originally Posted by graywolf

You can make it so that it starts same time each day.
Need the sagetv web ui installed
Then Windows task scheduler to run a bat file
Bat file does a wget to the sagetv web ui with the command to force epg update
Not at home so can't give the exact command

Well thats an interesting way to go about it! Please do share if you find it. I take it, the web ui is the only 'api' like interface for sagetv services? No telnet, or custom command event listeners?

(you'd think after this many years exclusively using sagetv, I would know more about it )

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Shaw

Gotcha, makes kinda sense. Not the way I would have coded a cronjob like event But I guess it works.

These are just the timing mechanics SageTV has always used for EPG updates. I believe the idea was to not have them happen at the same time every day to ensure the EPG server load was more evenly spread out. I would imagine that's also why you can't just set a specific time to run daily.

[Tahoe Girl]

Well, apparently the whole JSON EPG thing just had to get rolling. I now have an EPG through 8/7. So, all can say is sorry for wasting your time.

FWIW, I wonder if the message that STV displays regarding SD lineups might be a bit ambiguous. At least one other person that I saw further back in this forum seemed to be confused as to the requirement to have/not to have the lineup specified on the SD website. In any case thanks for you assistance.

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Tahoe Girl

Well, apparently the whole JSON EPG thing just had to get rolling. I now have an EPG through 8/7. So, all can say is sorry for wasting your time.

FWIW, I wonder if the message that STV displays regarding SD lineups might be a bit ambiguous. At least one other person that I saw further back in this forum seemed to be confused as to the requirement to have/not to have the lineup specified on the SD website. In any case thanks for you assistance.

I see what you're saying. I fear that making that more specific might just lead to more confusion because then it gets you thinking about things that aren't even on the screen in front of you and the more words, the less likely people will read the entire thing. It might be better to add a note about it in the wiki in the requirements section.

[graywolf]

C:\GnuWin32\bin\wget.exe "http://userid:password@sagewebserver:sagewebport/sage/GlobalCommand?command=ForceEpgUpdate"

Values to change/use
userid = userid for the sage web ui
password = password for the sage web ui
sagewebserver = ip or name of sage server
sagewebport = the port you have set for the web ui


just put the above in a bat file and have task scheduler execute it

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by EnterNoEscape

I see what you're saying. I fear that making that more specific might just lead to more confusion because then it gets you thinking about things that aren't even on the screen in front of you and the more words, the less likely people will read the entire thing. It might be better to add a note about it in the wiki in the requirements section.

I just updated it so that it's hopefully clear what I'm talking about now in the wiki. I forgot that there was a note in the wiki about this, but maybe it wasn't clear enough about what it was talking about.

[wnjj]

It wouldn't hurt to add a note to be patient for guide data and favorite scheduling after starting fresh setups. Many have taken several hours to fully populate the guide and get past the "next update in 0" message.

[Tahoe Girl]

Originally Posted by wnjj

It wouldn't hurt to add a note to be patient for guide data and favorite scheduling after starting fresh setups. Many have taken several hours to fully populate the guide and get past the "next update in 0" message.

I fully agree. Would save a lot of time pursuing non-issues.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by jimcgreen

I signed up for Schedules Direct and installed SageTVSetup_9.1.5.683.exe over the version 7 that I had been running. I updated my video sources with the Schedules Direct EPG lineup. I see that EPG data is showing now and my scheduled recordings look like they are scheduled.
I am now getting a system error that says "No EPG license key specified".
The message details say to go to Setup Video Sources > (select source) >EPG Lineup which will ask you for your license key.
So I do that but it doesn't ask for a license key. It just wants to do a channel scan.
How can I get this system message to go away?

You should be able to just delete the system message. If for some reason it comes back, it means that at least one of your sources is still configured to use the SageTV EPG provider, because that is the bit that needed a license key.

[bott3322]

I'm late to the party converting to SD EPG and I just deleted my V7 tuner configs and can't get past the EPG setup to re-add them.

I have two Silicone Dust tuners for antenna/broadcast reception. STV v9 doesn't offer me a STV setup option for SD EPG: only XMLTV, tvtv services, and Don't Use Program Guide. (See .jpg of EPG options.) I've read the EPG wiki, and believe I'm not dealing with a custom STV UI issue, (though not 100% positive). See Detailed Setup.jpg.

I registered for the 7-day trial at Schedules Direct, upgraded to v9.1.5.683 server on top of STV V7 on Windows 7 Home pretty much without a hitch.

Initially, I kept the two original STV V7 tuner configurations, but finally concluded from posts that I needed to delete both and re-add them as I'd tried everything else. As I mentioned, the tuner re-add fails because I can't get past EPG setup step, ie. still no SD EPG option presented.

I didn't find posts similar to my issue, but most folks are more experienced (I'm a long time STV user but configuration novice).

Things I've tried: 1) uninstalled all plug-ins; 2) Did multiple Repair installs of STV 5.683; 3) pulled out more hair, and I didn't have much to start with.

Now, I'm stuck without basic tuner functionality and my wife is not happy. Thanks in advance for any handholding!

[Tiki]

Originally Posted by bott3322

I'm late to the party converting to SD EPG and I just deleted my V7 tuner configs and can't get past the EPG setup to re-add them.

I have two Silicone Dust tuners for antenna/broadcast reception. STV v9 doesn't offer me a STV setup option for SD EPG: only XMLTV, tvtv services, and Don't Use Program Guide. (See .jpg of EPG options.) I've read the EPG wiki, and believe I'm not dealing with a custom STV UI issue, (though not 100% positive). See Detailed Setup.jpg.

I registered for the 7-day trial at Schedules Direct, upgraded to v9.1.5.683 server on top of STV V7 on Windows 7 Home pretty much without a hitch.

Initially, I kept the two original STV V7 tuner configurations, but finally concluded from posts that I needed to delete both and re-add them as I'd tried everything else. As I mentioned, the tuner re-add fails because I can't get past EPG setup step, ie. still no SD EPG option presented.

I didn't find posts similar to my issue, but most folks are more experienced (I'm a long time STV user but configuration novice).

Things I've tried: 1) uninstalled all plug-ins; 2) Did multiple Repair installs of STV 5.683; 3) pulled out more hair, and I didn't have much to start with.

Now, I'm stuck without basic tuner functionality and my wife is not happy. Thanks in advance for any handholding!

Did you try selecting the first choice ("Use US, Canada,...")? I can't remember for sure, but I think you pick that one and then the next screen gives you the choice to use Schedules Direct.

[wnjj]

Originally Posted by Tiki

Did you try selecting the first choice ("Use US, Canada,...")? I can't remember for sure, but I think you pick that one and then the next screen gives you the choice to use Schedules Direct.

No, the wiki shows a SD option below the US, Canada,... one.

Your setup screen looks nothing like mine. In fact it looks like maybe an older one or something. Mine doesn't have the revision or check or update. Plus debug logging was forced ON in V9. Are you sure your upgrade went OK?

The Windows installer will not automatically find the old install and assumes a path unless you change it using the options button on the first screen.

What shows up in the System Information screen for version? Mine shows V9.1.2.262 and the STV says 2017052101. Yours is definitely not V9.

[bott3322]

As far as I know, the v9 upgrade went ok, as did the Repair installs.

I confirmed the correct path via Options during install. V9 files installed to the original v7 SageTV location: C:\Program Files (x86)\SageTV\SageTV, and all the folders have today's time stamp.

System Info shows the new .683 build info. See attached.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by bott3322

I'm late to the party converting to SD EPG and I just deleted my V7 tuner configs and can't get past the EPG setup to re-add them.

I have two Silicone Dust tuners for antenna/broadcast reception. STV v9 doesn't offer me a STV setup option for SD EPG: only XMLTV, tvtv services, and Don't Use Program Guide. (See .jpg of EPG options.) I've read the EPG wiki, and believe I'm not dealing with a custom STV UI issue, (though not 100% positive). See Detailed Setup.jpg.

I registered for the 7-day trial at Schedules Direct, upgraded to v9.1.5.683 server on top of STV V7 on Windows 7 Home pretty much without a hitch.

Initially, I kept the two original STV V7 tuner configurations, but finally concluded from posts that I needed to delete both and re-add them as I'd tried everything else. As I mentioned, the tuner re-add fails because I can't get past EPG setup step, ie. still no SD EPG option presented.

I didn't find posts similar to my issue, but most folks are more experienced (I'm a long time STV user but configuration novice).

Things I've tried: 1) uninstalled all plug-ins; 2) Did multiple Repair installs of STV 5.683; 3) pulled out more hair, and I didn't have much to start with.

Now, I'm stuck without basic tuner functionality and my wife is not happy. Thanks in advance for any handholding!

For whatever reason, you do not have the current SageTV7.xml file. Current one should be from after November 2016 I think. The install and especially the subsequent repair should have brought that up to date for you.

Check the STV= entry in sageclient.properties

[wnjj]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

For whatever reason, you do not have the current SageTV7.xml file. Current one should be from after November 2016 I think. The install and especially the subsequent repair should have brought that up to date for you.

Check the STV= entry in sageclient.properties

Mine is from May of 2017.

[Brent94Z]

Originally Posted by wnjj

It wouldn't hurt to add a note to be patient for guide data and favorite scheduling after starting fresh setups. Many have taken several hours to fully populate the guide and get past the "next update in 0" message.

I 2nd this. I completed my upgrade from V7 to V9 and setup with SD. Everything acted liked it went smoothly until I went to the Guide and still had NO DATA. Even after waiting a bit and seeing that in the Information section it indicated the guide data was pulled it was still indicating NO DATA in the guide. I got frusted and gave up. Well, when I decided to look at it again (don't remember exactly how long it was but it was probably an hour or so) I was pleasantly surprised to see that I had like 60gb of shows recording in the next 48 hours and had guide data. WOOHOO!

I'd also like to say THANKS for putting this all together. I've used SageTV for for probably around a decade now and the program itself and the people who contribute to it make it one of my best ever software purchased... and now it's even FREE! haha!

[bott3322]

Originally Posted by wnjj

Mine is from May of 2017.

SageClient.properties: STV=C\:\\Program Files (x86)\\SageTV\\SageTV\\STVs\\SageTV7\\SageTV7.xml

The SageTV7.xml file has a 7/16/2017 time stamp, 13,226 KB.
There is also in this path the file: SageTV7.xml.2012031001 with the same 7/16 time stamp, 12,979 KB, along with three similar earlier files.

Apologies for delayed responses going forward. I'm on travel and won't be available for much of today.

[Shaw]

Originally Posted by EnterNoEscape

These are just the timing mechanics SageTV has always used for EPG updates. I believe the idea was to not have them happen at the same time every day to ensure the EPG server load was more evenly spread out. I would imagine that's also why you can't just set a specific time to run daily.

I never did pay much attention to it on my old htpc... it just sorta did what it did for years because I actually left it running 24/7 (because sleep and XP on that htpc never mixed well lol). It only came to my attention now due to the new htpc can handle sleep very well.

Its funny you mention the server load spread. We (where I work) have an external app that phones home for a small data file once a day at the exact same time that app was 'installed' (cannot be changed). Since its very rare the worldwide users all install at the same time, that was enough to spread the load. But its an interesting idea to have it update its check time based on 'end of last grab'.

[wnjj]

Originally Posted by bott3322

SageClient.properties: STV=C\:\\Program Files (x86)\\SageTV\\SageTV\\STVs\\SageTV7\\SageTV7.xml

The SageTV7.xml file has a 7/16/2017 time stamp, 13,226 KB.
There is also in this path the file: SageTV7.xml.2012031001 with the same 7/16 time stamp, 12,979 KB, along with three similar earlier files.

Apologies for delayed responses going forward. I'm on travel and won't be available for much of today.

The current one is here if you want to compare and/or replace yours. Not sure why you still have what looks to be an old one.
https://github.com/google/sagetv/tre...r/stvs/SageTV7

[bott3322]

Originally Posted by wnjj

The current one is here if you want to compare and/or replace yours. Not sure why you still have what looks to be an old one.
https://github.com/google/sagetv/tre...r/stvs/SageTV7

Thanks wnjj. I wouldn't mind giving that a try just to see. This install issue has me spooked, and I'm concerned what else is screwed up, how badly, and why. I'm on travel, so hopefully I can remote in this evening.