Windows 11 announcement

[phelme]

Still early of course, but discovered using the Windows PC Health checker that my server won't be able to run Windows 11, as the AMD A10 processors won't be supported (and I doubt the motherboard in there does TPM 2.0 anyway).

Maybe this will get me to upgrade to something of this era.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by phelme

Still early of course, but discovered using the Windows PC Health checker that my server won't be able to run Windows 11, as the AMD A10 processors won't be supported (and I doubt the motherboard in there does TPM 2.0 anyway).

Maybe this will get me to upgrade to something of this era.

I did the Check and not of my PC's came back able ... My Intel i7 i5 ... So i would not put much stock in that Health Check.

[Telecore]

I read that the CPU requirement is not a "hard requirement" and most decent CPUs can run Win 11 - check and see if your BIOS has “PSP fTPM” (AMD) or "PTT" for Intel and enable it and re-run - those are effectively a built-in TPM. I can't seem to find a list for Intel but I read that almost all CPUs since Gen 4 have PTT.

[nyplayer]

This came back as unsupported ....

[Telecore]

The official Win 11 CPU list indicates an 8th generation or newer Intel CPU is required - It looks like the software is factoring in the "soft requirement" of the CPU - I'll try my 9th gen when I get home and post - this morning the health checker said my core i5 9600K was not ready either, but I have since learned about turning on PTT in the BIOS, which I am fairly certain is currently off

Update: After turning on PTT, my PC is now Windows 11 ready - conclusion: PC Health App is checking for TPM/PTT and checking the CPU list

[stuckless]

I think if history has taught us anything, then Windows 11 will be a dud, Windows 12 will fix everything wrong with Windows 11, and not to fret, because the Linux PC Health Checker says that it'll run on your old hardware just fine.

[wayner]

The announcements didn't talk too much about what is advancing on WSL. Presumably the Android emulator on Win11 will use WSL. WSL is becoming more and more useful and I have been using it a fair bit and it has added a lot more functionality. You can now get at least three Linux distros as well - Ubuntu, Kali and Suse.

It will be interesting to see if the Win11 Android emulator will run the SageTV Android client.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Telecore

The official Win 11 CPU list indicates an 8th generation or newer Intel CPU is required - It looks like the software is factoring in the "soft requirement" of the CPU - I'll try my 9th gen when I get home and post - this morning the health checker said my core i5 9600K was not ready either, but I have since learned about turning on PTT in the BIOS, which I am fairly certain is currently off

Update: After turning on PTT, my PC is now Windows 11 ready - conclusion: PC Health App is checking for TPM/PTT and checking the CPU list

You can find the list of supported CPUs here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Many people will not be able to run Win11 as this is a pretty high bar in terms of having a fairly new PC.

From TheVerge:https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...e-requirements

Originally, Microsoft noted that CPU generation requirements are a “soft floor” limit for the Windows 11 installer, which should have allowed some older CPUs to be able to install Windows 11 with a warning, but hours after we published this story, the company updated that page to explicitly require the list of chips above. We’ve reached out to Microsoft to clarify its CPU requirements and support, and we’ll update you accordingly.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by wayner

You can find the list of supported CPUs here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Many people will not be able to run Win11 as this is a pretty high bar in terms of having a fairly new PC.

From TheVerge:https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...e-requirements

There are already videos on installing on any hardware.

[Tiki]

Originally Posted by wayner

You can find the list of supported CPUs here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Many people will not be able to run Win11 as this is a pretty high bar in terms of having a fairly new PC.

From TheVerge:https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...e-requirements

That page only lists the intel processors. There is another page for amd:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...amd-processors

[Malfunction]

Originally Posted by phelme

Still early of course, but discovered using the Windows PC Health checker that my server won't be able to run Windows 11, as the AMD A10 processors won't be supported (and I doubt the motherboard in there does TPM 2.0 anyway).

Maybe this will get me to upgrade to something of this era.

I just tried that on my desktop. The site says it's "coming soon".

[nyplayer]

Install on older hardware.

https://www.theverge.com/22644194/mi...essors-changes

[Malfunction]

Originally Posted by Malfunction

I just tried that on my desktop. The site says it's "coming soon".

If there are still flashes available, there may be hope. I just got my SageTV and my desktop box up to speed. The desktop is running an ASUS B360 Prime Plus Intel LGA 1151 ATX motherboard and just needed a new flash with no other adjustments. I had to do mbr2gpt on the SageTV box running the ASRock B450M Pro4 motherboard.

The ASUS is 3 years old and the ASRock is 2.

[Malfunction]

I got Windows 11 on my SageTV box today. No issues of note. It wanted an update on Java, so I gave it one. The new Start menu is not as bad as Windows 10, but not very useful either. The search taskbar icon is more useful than the start button. That's how you get to settings.

It adds a startup sound that I disabled and about 3 different useless taskbar icons, chat and other bloat. It seemed to load my bulky SageTV install with less hiccups than I'm used to.

It also changed my optical drive back into D:. Oh to heck with it, I will leave it as D: now.

OpenShell works fine on this, good thing.

[hoosierengineer]

Originally Posted by Malfunction

I got Windows 11 on my SageTV box today. No issues of note. It wanted an update on Java, so I gave it one. The new Start menu is not as bad as Windows 10, but not very useful either. The search taskbar icon is more useful than the start button. That's how you get to settings.

It adds a startup sound that I disabled and about 3 different useless taskbar icons, chat and other bloat. It seemed to load my bulky SageTV install with less hiccups than I'm used to.

It also changed my optical drive back into D:. Oh to heck with it, I will leave it as D: now.

OpenShell works fine on this, good thing.

Do captions (subtitles) work?

[t4runnr]

Good thing I upgraded to Win11 on a HTPC that is no longer being used for anything (Shield TV replaced it).

Anyway, Win11 is fine but it broke my v9 client software. It wouldn't start. So I un-installed and tried to re-install but it crashes when trying to access/write a registry key: \SOFTWARE\Frey Technologies\Common\DSFilters\AudioDec.

I ran a registry cleaner after un-installing and before re-installing. Anyway, the install won't work so I don't think I'll try to upgrade to 11 on my server anytime soon.

[Galaxysurfer]

I personally think the hubaloo about TPM has to do with internet security & the shift to Digital banking. Alot of the older hardware has security bugs. Most people ( meaning the non tech minded) won't know or bother with security patches for their hardware. If you are using a dedicated server for SageTV then it probably isn't an issue. The setup only talks to internet for software updates & updates to epg. The defense on that is what firewall etc security is in use to deal with any potential hacking breeches to setup.


Of course the other factor is the Hardware makers & Microsoft want to keep their control of the tech world as much as possible. If you can keep using your existing hardware, no need to update. That hurts their bottom line. Built in obsolescence for the hardware market.


There is the practical part that older hardware just can't process to the same abilities as newer current stuff. Some of the older hardware with security issues can't be fixed by software patches. Why do you think they are starting to encroach on the Linux world? They are probably using the motto of " If you can't beat'em join'em". They will then try to stage a coo from within for dominance. We have already seen some evidence of that with the Linux kernels. It is all about Business protecting their profits & control of the realm. The end user is the one screwed at the end. Mafia tactics at it's worst or best depending on your prospective.

[Galaxysurfer]

IMO I think this has more to do with the shift to a digital economy & having data encrypted & locked down. Most of the older hardware doesn't meet that requirement. Sure, there is a bonus for the vested interests if we all need to upgrade to newer hardware specs as well. I am currently running WIn 10 on older hardware that wasn't officially supported by Microsoft either. I think it will run, with the caveat that your data wont be secure with those added hardware features & requirements found on the newer boards. Just dont use that pc for anything that needs to be secured. Running a media server won't be a deal breaker. Just take precautions so you don't infect anything else on network that does need to be secure. Meaning isolate it from the rest of your network.

Galaxysurfer