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Old 02-19-2009, 09:45 AM
ralfeez ralfeez is offline
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Smile Newbie needs guidance (simplified)

I am trying to get up to speed with two things.
- First would be building my own Home Theater Personal Computer(HTPC).
- The second would be learning about SageTv.

Has anyone started a thread, a sticky, a wiki, or any documentation to help the newcomer. I have seen the FAQs on the main site and the FAQs on the SageTV software subforum. The use of SageTV should be more of a science and less of an art. These are merely physical components run by software. Does it need to be so complicated?

I am a Software Engineer, so hardware is a weak point for me, but there are a countless number of different variations here in software and hardware to accomplish the same task. I know, I know in my business I always get the guy that just wants me to "FIX IT", "whip something up", or "spend a couple of minutes on this one". Well, I realize that sometimes it is just not that simple.

I would love some simple step by step guidance on the why, when, and how of SageTV and recording your own. The key word is 'simple'. I don't want to rebuild my Operating System. I just want to have a Tivo with more control and more capacity (determined by me).

Please no flaming. I am a newbie, novice, beginner, and inferior in every way to yourself. Now that that is out in the open, please help.
Thank you,
Ralph

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Old 02-19-2009, 08:33 PM
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First of all, what do you want? Cable, Satellite, OTA, or a combination thereof? If, say, cable, do you want HD and/or premium content (HBO, etc.), or just standard analog SD? How many TVs connected to the system? How many PCs on which you might view content? What is your home TV watching usage (number of people in the house, how many shows might need to be recorded and/or watched simultaneously)?

If you are doing a "combination of sources" as mentioned above, and you "want HD", or "want premium content", do all of your sources need to be HD/premium-capable, or could you handle one, maybe two, capable tuners and the rest being SD, or "standard cable", or OTA locals?

With answers to these questions, you'll find that people on this board are very willing to help and very friendly, and frankly, the answers will be fairly simple.

It is admittedly hard to figure it all out on your own... don't worry, you're not the first.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:04 PM
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write it down

Someone needs to write down the formula. So, let's start here:
- The most simple system utilizing SageTv is...?
- You will need these exact components...
- You configure them in this way...
- You now have a system that will...

If you use cable, here is the formula. If you use Directv, here is the formula. If you want multiple TVs throughout the house you add this component, if you want HD add this, etc. etc. Step by step by step by step... Do you understand what I am asking? I don't believe that it needs to be that tough. We have many many good chefs cooking up their own super home systems, but there doesn't seem to be a recipe written on how to boil water... If I knew the simple answers, I would present them here myself to help the most simple minded among us (me)...
thank you,
Ralph
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:12 PM
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What pjpjpjpj is saying is that there are too many variables to detail every possible solution so the details of your situation would make it easier for people to help you.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:20 PM
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you aren't getting the question

Yes there are many many variables. You pick... Let's start by stating, if I came to you and said, build me a SageTV system that will record digital signals and play them back. What would you say has worked 90-100% of the time in the past? Someone somewhere has built this system at least once. We can add to it from there. This is not necessarily for me. My parts are arriving as we speak. This is for the next guy(gal).
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:24 PM
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No. If you're not willing to help us help you and you expect everyone else to do all of the work for you then you expect too much, imo.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:26 PM
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Well, I will give it a shot, but frankly, what you ask could fill a healthy 50+ page volume with diagrams, etc.

The most basic in my book
1) A TV tuner card popped into your PC's PCI slot, or hooked up to a USB port connected to your cable line to capture the shows
2) a PC (plenty of HD space and I would point you to Win XP)
3) a media software package (SageTV, Beyond TV, Windows Media Center, iTV, etc.)
4) a video card hooked up to your TV ... video card to vary depending on what you want for a connection (RGB, S-Video, DVI, HDMI, etc.), brand preference, perceived picture quality, etc.

Basic variations from there...
a) Direct TV/Dishnetwork => Need an HDPVR to act as your TV Tuner card to cature the recordings off your satellite box
b) Clear QAM off your cable provider or digital over the air TV ... if your TV tuner card does not support it => an HD Homerun
c) Don't want that noisy PC in the family room hooked up to your TV => Need a Sage HD Theater and can skip the fancy video card (assuming you go with the Sage TV media software) ... could opt for a cheaper Hauppauge MVP if you find one on e-bay, but will need to buy a license for the client and there is a give up on some key functionality
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:29 PM
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Thank you malbec. This is more of what we need to have for people to look at when they first come to the sage site.
Thank you,
Ralph
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Well, I will give it a shot, but frankly, what you ask could fill a healthy 50+ page volume with diagrams, etc.

The most basic in my book
1) A TV tuner card popped into your PC's PCI slot, or hooked up to a USB port connected to your cable line to capture the shows
2) a PC (plenty of HD space and I would point you to Win XP)
3) a media software package (SageTV, Beyond TV, Windows Media Center, iTV, etc.)
4) a video card hooked up to your TV ... video card to vary depending on what you want for a connection (RGB, S-Video, DVI, HDMI, etc.), brand preference, perceived picture quality, etc.

Basic variations from there...
a) Direct TV/Dishnetwork => Need an HDPVR to act as your TV Tuner card to cature the recordings off your satellite box
b) Clear QAM off your cable provider or digital over the air TV ... if your TV tuner card does not support it => an HD Homerun
c) Don't want that noisy PC in the family room hooked up to your TV => Need a Sage HD Theater and can skip the fancy video card (assuming you go with the Sage TV media software) ... could opt for a cheaper Hauppauge MVP if you find one on e-bay, but will need to buy a license for the client and there is a give up on some key functionality
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:34 PM
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Well, I will give it a shot, but frankly, what you ask could fill a healthy 50+ page volume with diagrams, etc.

The most basic in my book
1) A TV tuner card popped into your PC's PCI slot, or hooked up to a USB port connected to your cable line to capture the shows
2) a PC (plenty of HD space and I would point you to Win XP)
3) a media software package (SageTV, Beyond TV, Windows Media Center, iTV, etc.)
4) a video card hooked up to your TV ... video card to vary depending on what you want for a connection (RGB, S-Video, DVI, HDMI, etc.), brand preference, perceived picture quality, etc.

Basic variations from there...
a) Direct TV/Dishnetwork => Need an HDPVR to act as your TV Tuner card to cature the recordings off your satellite box
b) Clear QAM off your cable provider or digital over the air TV ... if your TV tuner card does not support it => an HD Homerun
c) Don't want that noisy PC in the family room hooked up to your TV => Need a Sage HD Theater and can skip the fancy video card (assuming you go with the Sage TV media software) ... could opt for a cheaper Hauppauge MVP if you find one on e-bay, but will need to buy a license for the client and there is a give up on some key functionality
Now we are assuming that the most basic system that you are describing will work the first time with SageTV? If so, then we will need more specifics. Exactly which SageTV software product needs to be purchased? Which tuner card should be used to guaranty success? How much disk space to start with? You get what I mean...
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:38 PM
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You're still not getting it, there are too many tuners and too many OS choices and too many HW/SW options that can all work in various combinations...
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:52 PM
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The software you need ... assuming Sage TV is your choice ... is the Sage TV Media Center (for whatever you will be running ... Windows, Mac, Linux). Again, I would point to Win XP as Vista seems just too tempramental and Sage is/was a Windows product first.

Of course, before you buy, I would advise you download the trial.

Which tuner card? This gets to be a bit of dicey question as everybody has their preference. Also, do you want a card that goes in a PCI slot in your PC? A PCIe slot? Or something that connects via USB? IF you will make me choose, I guess I would point you to the Hauppauge HVR-1600 ... pops in a PCI slot which I think most motherboards still have, and it has both an analog tuner and a Clear QAM/ATSC tuner. Hauppauge has a long, solid history in this stuff. Sage has a bundle pack in their store to boot.

Hard drive size? How much TV do you watch? General rule of thumb I would give you ... plan on about 3.2 GB per 1 hour of analog recordings and roughly double that for digital recordings. I have 2.2 terabytes of storage ... the new 2 terabyte Western digital drives look interesting, but Seagate appears to have worked the bugs out of their 1.5 terbayte drives.
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