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Old 02-26-2016, 11:42 AM
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UHD Blu-ray is supposed to have Copy & Export. We'll see how that works out.
Where did you hear this? Neither my UHD Blu-ray player nor any of the UHD disks that I've purchased to date have "Copy & Export". In fact, they're locked down so tight, the manufacturer of the Blu-ray player had to add a second HDMI audio only output so that the audio channel could be sent to the 99.9% of AV receivers that currently don't support the new copy protection scheme (HDMI 2.0a). However, to be fair, it's important to note that all the disks did contain a code for a digital copy of the movie that can be streamed or downloaded. However, this digital copy is only the HD version, not the UHD Blu-ray version of the movie.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:09 PM
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In any case, some industries HAVE figured out that, just as you stated, the number of potential pirates are inconsequential to the mass market, and they've concluded that hurting the mass market consumer in an effort to prevent the minor pirate is a net loss for the industry. DRM has pretty much vanished from the music industry, because it was restricting the way the mass market of consumers were able to consume the content. It was the direct result of cheap mp3 players, both portable and automotive, that couldn't handle the DRM becoming so popular that got them to move away from the concept. This would already be the case with video content, if it weren't for the fact that MOST video capable playback devices are supplied BY the content distributors
We were fortunate with audio. The "digital" cat was already out of the bag by the time the music companies tried to lock it up. CDs never had protection, and there was already an industry that built up around unprotected audio. You could just build products based on open standards without the approval of anyone.

The real problem with video is that the cat never got out. DVD was protected, you had to go through DVD CCA to get a license to make players. So there was never a chance for an ecosystem to develop around portable digital video.

Of course I agree entirely that the DRM on discs (DVD, Blu-ray, UHD Blu-ray) has done, and will continue to do more harm to the overall market than good. There shouldn't be only one legal (ie licensed) option for a movie jukebox, and it shouldn't have to cost $30k

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Where did you hear this? Neither my UHD Blu-ray player nor any of the UHD disks that I've purchased to date have "Copy & Export".
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...d-bluray/26595

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In fact, they're locked down so tight, the manufacturer of the Blu-ray player had to add a second HDMI audio only output so that the audio channel could be sent to the 99.9% of AV receivers that currently don't support the new copy protection scheme (HDMI 2.0a).
HDMI 2.0a isn't a copy protection scheme, that's HDCP 2.2. And the second HDMI port isn't just about copy protection, it's about supporting HDR and WCG without forcing people to buy new AVRs just to pass it through. The same thing happened with the first 3D BD players, AVRs didn't support the 3D signaling so they added two HDMI ports so you could skip the AVR for video and have 3D work without needing a new AVR. And that had nothing to do with copy protection.
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Old 02-26-2016, 04:00 PM
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HDMI 2.0a isn't a copy protection scheme, that's HDCP 2.2. And the second HDMI port isn't just about copy protection, it's about supporting HDR and WCG without forcing people to buy new AVRs just to pass it through. The same thing happened with the first 3D BD players, AVRs didn't support the 3D signaling so they added two HDMI ports so you could skip the AVR for video and have 3D work without needing a new AVR. And that had nothing to do with copy protection.
That's correct. HDCP 2.2 is the copy protection definition and can utilize interfaces other than HDMI. However, with respect to UHD/HDR Blu-ray disks, the only commercially available playback mechanism that I'm aware of uses HDMI and requires both HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on all devices in the video transmission chain for full resolution output. I know because my AV receiver is HDCP 2.2 compatible; it's just not HDMI 2.0a compatible and I cannot watch a UHD/HDR video at full resolution if the video signal passes through my HDCP 2.2 compatible AV receiver. It may not technically be copy protection but it is a significant restriction and why I focus more on HDMI 2.0a than HDCP 2.2.
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Old 02-26-2016, 04:58 PM
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That's correct. HDCP 2.2 is the copy protection definition and can utilize interfaces other than HDMI. However, with respect to UHD/HDR Blu-ray disks, the only commercially available playback mechanism that I'm aware of uses HDMI and requires both HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on all devices in the video transmission chain for full resolution output. I know because my AV receiver is HDCP 2.2 compatible; it's just not HDMI 2.0a compatible and I cannot watch a UHD/HDR video at full resolution if the video signal passes through my HDCP 2.2 compatible AV receiver. It may not technically be copy protection but it is a significant restriction and why I focus more on HDMI 2.0a than HDCP 2.2.
My point is, the reason you can't watch UHD or HDR isn't because it's "locked down", it's because your AVR doesn't support those features. It's like complaining you can't watch 3D because it's "locked down" to 3D capable devices.

The up side is the industry realized there would be a transition period and the first players all have dual outputs so you're not suck having to buy a new AVR right away. That's what I'm doing now, my SSP and Video processor are only HDMI 1.4, so I'm just bypassing them for the video.
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Old 02-26-2016, 10:30 PM
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I think I read somewhere that Anydvd should continue to work until new blurry discs come out with new encryption keys. But I just tried with The Martian and it refused to copy, saying it couldn't connect to Slysoft's server. Anyone know what the deal is?
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:00 PM
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I think I read somewhere that Anydvd should continue to work until new blurry discs come out with new encryption keys. But I just tried with The Martian and it refused to copy, saying it couldn't connect to Slysoft's server. Anyone know what the deal is?
There's some talk about that over on their forums (yes, they're still active... for now) and workarounds for that issue are being discussed.
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Old 02-27-2016, 04:28 AM
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Better link then the possibly virus infected link I found. Thanks.
Source SlySoft Forum:

It's available elsewhere to download. On the following link, it is digitally signed by SlySoft, Inc. so has not been tampered with:
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/468-anydvd.html

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http://files01.techspot.com/temp/SetupAnyDVD7690.exe

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Old 02-27-2016, 06:11 AM
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My point is, the reason you can't watch UHD or HDR isn't because it's "locked down", it's because your AVR doesn't support those features. It's like complaining you can't watch 3D because it's "locked down" to 3D capable devices.
I make a distinction between hardware and software limitations. If it was the case where the hardware was physically incapable of supporting the video signal, as in your 3D example and in some cases with UHD/Blu-ray discs, I'd agree with you. However, when it's relatively new hardware that is fully capable of supporting a UHD/HDR video signal and the only reason it doesn't is because of an artificial software limitation that can be removed by an upgrade, I consider it locked down.
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:27 AM
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A number of AVR/SSP manufacturers are working on firmware updates for the HDMI 2.0a (HDR) signalling. Further, UHD Blu-ray didn't add any new audio features, but utilizes HDMI 2.0 which is different hardware than "99.9%" AVRs support. HDMI 1.4 only supported 340MHz signalling (10.2Gbps), where as HDMI 2.0 increased that to 600 MHz (18Gbps).
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:33 PM
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Source SlySoft Forum:

It's available elsewhere to download. On the following link, it is digitally signed by SlySoft, Inc. so has not been tampered with:
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/468-anydvd.html

Direct link:
http://files01.techspot.com/temp/SetupAnyDVD7690.exe

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Old 02-27-2016, 03:10 PM
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A pity. I purchased a lifetime license of AnyDVD years (decade?) ago and it has been a consistent and reliable piece of software. I have nothing but good things to say about my Slysoft experience.
What I will really miss from AnyDVD is the ability to decrypt DVD/BD on the fly. Sometimes my kids doesn't want to wait until I rip a new purchased movie into the file server so they put the disk into the DVD reader of the STV server and watch from the extenders straight away, something that you can't do with DVDFab or MakeMKV, I guess.

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Old 02-27-2016, 03:29 PM
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What I will really miss from AnyDVD is the ability to decrypt DVD/BD on the fly. Sometimes my kids doesn't want to wait until I rip a new purchased movie into the file server so they put the disk into the DVD reader of the STV server and watch from the extenders straight away, something that you can't do with DVDFab or MakeMKV, I guess.

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I use Slysoft's Virtual Clone Drive as well and it just works. Many years ago I got pissed that Daemon Tools was bundling in 3rd party software and looked around for an alternative. I found Virtual Clone Drive and never looked back.
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Old 02-27-2016, 04:21 PM
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What I will really miss from AnyDVD is the ability to decrypt DVD/BD on the fly. Sometimes my kids doesn't want to wait until I rip a new purchased movie into the file server so they put the disk into the DVD reader of the STV server and watch from the extenders straight away, something that you can't do with DVDFab or MakeMKV, I guess.

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I think PassKey (DVDFab product) will do that.

http://www.dvdfab.cn/passkey-for-blu-ray.htm
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Old 02-27-2016, 06:27 PM
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I don't consider the ad supported content on their pages to be a 'streaming service'. A 'streaming service' would be the likes of amazon, hulu, netflix, etc - that is an actual paid for service - which don't have ads. And in those cases, PlayLater recordings support comskip just as well as traditionally recorded content, so for a sage user it isn't much different.
I believe my cable subscription gets hit for 3gb for every hour of 1080 content I watch online, regardless of who the provider is. Not sure I can see a difference whether I'm streaming content from Netflix or CBS' servers. But if the barometer is that you must be paying for it to classify as 'streaming', then we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one
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Old 02-27-2016, 07:33 PM
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I use Slysoft's Virtual Clone Drive as well and it just works. Many years ago I got pissed that Daemon Tools was bundling in 3rd party software and looked around for an alternative. I found Virtual Clone Drive and never looked back.
It looks like you can still get it here:

https://www.elby.ch/en/products/vcd.html
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:59 PM
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I believe my cable subscription gets hit for 3gb for every hour of 1080 content I watch online, regardless of who the provider is. Not sure I can see a difference whether I'm streaming content from Netflix or CBS' servers. But if the barometer is that you must be paying for it to classify as 'streaming', then we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one
I think it's more you were comparing and replying to comment on vudu as a replacement for cable which does not include commercials....Basically we are comparing streaming replacements for cable not cable "add on" free streaming.
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I think it's more you were comparing and replying to comment on vudu as a replacement for cable which does not include commercials....Basically we are comparing streaming replacements for cable not cable "add on" free streaming.
actually, I was referencing that the streaming services I use DO have commercials. I realize you were referencing Vudu. I wasn't. Should have made that clear I guess. I use the 'cable add ons', as you call them, to view missed or unrecorded episodes. And when streaming those, commercials are present, which is irritating when you're used to Sage or TiVo.
But seeing this is a thread about DVD ripping software vanishing, I guess both points are moot.
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I use makemkv as well works great for blurays and dvds.

If that goes away I will probably go vudu as that isn't subscription base and the picture is the best I have found in streaming (very close to bluray quality sometimes hard to tell difference at all)
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Good point but if we don't put a stop to data caps even that not going to be a much of an option before long.
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Ya data caps scare me and why I still have cable vs buying over vudu. Hoping they go away sooner rather than later but thst doesn't seem to be the case.

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But seeing this is a thread about DVD ripping software vanishing, I guess both points are moot.
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my comment was about movies in vudu as a replacement for ripping. but not that any of this matters I just took your original comment in context to mean commercial during movies on streaming and thats where my comments fell. cheers but to be fair I threw cable in there so that was my fault even though I never record movies from TV.
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my comment was about movies in vudu as a replacement for ripping. but not that any of this matters I just took your original comment in context to mean commercial during movies on streaming and thats where my comments fell. cheers but to be fair I threw cable in there so that was my fault even though I never record movies from TV.
one thing's for sure - when cable co's. start charging for bandwidth cap overages, we'll be back to renting dvd's again....
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Old 02-28-2016, 06:45 PM
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one thing's for sure - when cable co's. start charging for bandwidth cap overages, we'll be back to renting dvd's again....
sadly many of them have already started.I known locally at&t chargers $10 every 50gb over your data cap.its going to get worse before it get better thats for sure.
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