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Old 10-14-2020, 04:56 PM
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Placeshift / Streaming Question

I find myself out my football market for a while.
I'm interested in the current state of affairs with accessing content from my server at home.

Searching for the old topic of place shifting reveals very old threads. I never used it in the past when it was a Sage thing.

I perhaps wrongly am assuming that things are better with version 9. But I dunno.

I tried streaming through the web admin "Sage Webserver version 2.43". because it's there... but on my side it states I don't have VLC installed - but I do.

Is there a sticky about this or is it just a waste of time. Server box indicates 10 megabit upload.

I read some threads from like 2011 about VPN'ing a client (pc client) to connect. But they were not very promising.
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Old 10-14-2020, 06:44 PM
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It's in Beta, but you might try a firestick 4K. I've been using it, and it's working pretty well for me although I am seeing halts which I believe is due to my paltry 6mbs DCL line at the remote location.

https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...87&postcount=1
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Old 10-14-2020, 07:51 PM
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Have you tried using SageTV Placeshifter on your remote PC? That is probably the best solution but it doesn't work so well for 1080i content.

I assume that you will be watching in realtime? If you are fine watching a bit delayed then you could use somthing like AirVideoHD as a client on an iOS device. You often have to reload the file every few minutes when you hit the end of the file - or at least the end of the file as defined by when you started watching the game.
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:04 PM
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It's in Beta, but you might try a firestick 4K. I've been using it, and it's working pretty well for me although I am seeing halts which I believe is due to my paltry 6mbs DCL line at the remote location.

https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...87&postcount=1
This is a client. I have a client on the PC with me.
Not sure what ports to forward.



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Have you tried using SageTV Placeshifter on your remote PC? That is probably the best solution but it doesn't work so well for 1080i content.

I assume that you will be watching in realtime? If you are fine watching a bit delayed then you could use somthing like AirVideoHD as a client on an iOS device. You often have to reload the file every few minutes when you hit the end of the file - or at least the end of the file as defined by when you started watching the game.
No. I assumed placeshifter is dead - and you'd have to have a license for it. I was thinking there was some awesome sauce built into v9.

I had limited success feeding the stream url link from the web server into VLC directly via 'open network stream'. It seemed to buffer / stutter HD content. If I paused it for a bit it would then play longer before the next hiccup.

My other option may be to use VPN and folk over some money to NFL.com and just stream it like I was in Finland or something.

Did that once when in Finland it was quite cheap at the time.
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:22 PM
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Placeshifter is not dead. See V9.2.1 here: https://bintray.com/opensagetv/saget...agetvwin/9.2.1

You haven't needed licenses since we went to Open Source.

I use Placeshifter all the time, but only on my LAN. For remote viewing Placeshifter should work better than Client.
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:27 PM
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The full Client is not meant to work remotely across a WAN. I think it needs to be on the same subnet as the server. The server does not transcode anything for a full Client - it just tells the Client where to find the file so the Client can play it back.

For remote viewing, I think the only options are the Placeshifter, an HDx00 extender, or the Android mini-client. All of these are built on the mini-client architecture and behave similarly (though each has its own way of handling the playback that is unique to its hardware platform).

There have been 2 or 3 web servers created for Sage. These were all unofficial, user-created add-ons and not part of a basic Sage install. I havenít tried any of these in a long time, but I think at least one of them provided a way to download (and possibly playback) a Sage recording. I could be wrong, but I think the playback relied on a specific version of VLC being installed and may not have worked if you were accessing from an iPhone or something.
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:31 PM
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This is a client. I have a client on the PC with me.
Not sure what ports to forward.

No. I assumed placeshifter is dead - and you'd have to have a license for it. I was thinking there was some awesome sauce built into v9.
Placeshifter is not dead; I have been using it remotely forever, and changed from the PC version to a spare HD-300 about a year ago (there is a V9 version downloadable, no license required); but now I'm using the firestick 4K because the image is much better. The downside is that it is a beta client so the settings are changing often. For ease, I'd recommend Placeshifter. Both the HD-300 and the miniclient use Placeshifter settings to authenticate the first time they're used.
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Old 10-15-2020, 07:49 PM
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So placeshifter is now working.

There is a hit on image quality - but it's responsive enough, and has niceties like comm skip breaks.

( I also tried no transcoding setting, no big improvement).

The VLC stream was full res - wonder if that would last for 3 hours.
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