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Old 02-28-2017, 05:21 PM
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YouTube TV - unlimited cloud dvr, etc.

https://youtube.googleblog.com/2017/...e-for-you.html

It's probably not for the die hard SageTV power-user. But it appears to offer a great user experience with fewer trade-offs of the other streaming TV offerings. And I'd rather trust a platform that serves a billion hours of video content per day.
  • SlingTV: DVR in limited beta with 100 hour limit
  • PlayStation Vue: only 28 days on recordings, geo-locked to your home IP
  • DirecTV Now: totally blows
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Old 02-28-2017, 06:39 PM
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Wonder if any of Jeff's tech is running the cloud dvr.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:43 PM
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This looks really promising if they can get Turner channels.
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:40 PM
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Interesting to see how all of this will play out. A year from now we should see some pretty solid offerings.

Hulu still has to release their streaming service. We'll see how it compares.
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Old 03-01-2017, 06:07 PM
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If I could rig it as a hardware tuner for SageTV to play with, I'd give it a shot.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:43 AM
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I'd consider switching ASAP if they had two options:
  1. I can fast forward throgh recordings; including commercials
  2. I could import my existing video library (or at least have some way of accessing it through the service)

The busier I get the less appetite I have for running a server and HD-PVRs, etc.
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:20 PM
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This looks really promising if they can get Turner channels.
I took a quick look at the articles/details about YouTube Tv and came away pretty much the same as all of the other streaming services. Each one seems to have some big (for me) gaping hole in the channels/networks they offer. And once you put in all the "add on" packages to get a more robust channel offering you start to approach Cable/Satellite pricing. And of course there are still those networks/channels that you don't even have the option of getting.

Believe me, I'd love to stop paying Comcast big $$ every month for TV, but *for me* none of the other options would work.

Streaming is doable right now, but as 4k content starts to become more available anyone like myself that watches much TV would quickly hit their ISP cap. (Comcast in my area still hasn't rolled out the 1tb/month cap)

I will say their initial offering in the DVR capabilities are head and shoulders above the other services offerings. Then again, nobody has seen their DVR in action yet. But since they are so heavily into streaming media through their years of YouTube service I'd bet it will be one of the best DVR's right out of the gate.

Another "elephant in the room" for me is COMSKIP, TV without COMSKIP is a non-starter!
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:06 PM
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This looks like the best plan I have seen so far. I can get the local stations with an Antenna and really only need sports from a Cable\Satellite solution. (ESPN\FS1\NBCSN) Anything else is just a bonus. Between local Networks, Netflix, Amazon and Hulu I have more good TV than I can really watch.

I am sitting on the $35 DirecTV Now deal right now but without the DVR it is not a long term replacement. (The $5 HBO also makes it compelling) I tried PlayStation Vue before DirecTV and I just can't stand the interface. I plan to try Dish and Hulu when they come out as well. YouTube TV sounds good but the interface and what devices I can put it on will make all the difference.

Ultimately I think that Plex DVR with one of the online services will replace SageTV for me. I can live with not having every show available to me immediately and they all seem to show up on one of the online options sooner or later.
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Old 03-06-2017, 11:42 AM
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This looks like the best plan I have seen so far. I can get the local stations with an Antenna and really only need sports from a Cable\Satellite solution. (ESPN\FS1\NBCSN) Anything else is just a bonus. Between local Networks, Netflix, Amazon and Hulu I have more good TV than I can really watch.

I am sitting on the $35 DirecTV Now deal right now but without the DVR it is not a long term replacement. (The $5 HBO also makes it compelling) I tried PlayStation Vue before DirecTV and I just can't stand the interface. I plan to try Dish and Hulu when they come out as well. YouTube TV sounds good but the interface and what devices I can put it on will make all the difference.

Ultimately I think that Plex DVR with one of the online services will replace SageTV for me. I can live with not having every show available to me immediately and they all seem to show up on one of the online options sooner or later.
FYI Sling is what Dish is putting out unless there is something else on the horizon. Hulu is the one I'm the most interested in, but it looks like viacom isn't interesting in streaming TV.

This is a pretty good article that I think sums up all of our reasons for sticking with sage.
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:30 PM
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Youtube TV / DVR

http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/5/151...iption-service

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Old 04-06-2017, 08:56 PM
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It's disappointing that they still haven't said anything about an Android TV app. Given lackluster adoption of Android TV, it would surprise me if they ultimately create a Roku app but ignore Android TV (since they seem to think castings is good enough).

But I still think this looks promising. If this rolls out in the DC area, and they create a Roku and/or Android TV app, and they get Turner and Viacom channels (at least TNT, TBS, and Comedy Central), I think there's a good chance I'd drop SageTV. Those might be big ifs, though.
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Old 04-07-2017, 06:15 AM
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I just got an email from Google that it is available in my area.

I just sent in a support ticket asking about Android TV. Their app is not supported on my Nexus Player, Mi Box, Asus Tablet, or Sony Smart TV. My only option would be to use my Samsung Phone and cast it to my TV.

I will let you know their response.
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Old 04-07-2017, 06:37 AM
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I just got an email from Google that it is available in my area.

I just sent in a support ticket asking about Android TV. Their app is not supported on my Nexus Player, Mi Box, Asus Tablet, or Sony Smart TV. My only option would be to use my Samsung Phone and cast it to my TV.

I will let you know their response.
I think this will ultimately be the failing of this service. Google not only needs to get the Android apps out there for existing Android devices, but it also needs to be working on iOS and Roku options as well.

Personally, this is where I think Netflix should be offer "as-a-service" additional TV offerings... ie, if I already pay for netflix, networks should be paying Netflix a cut to allow them to deliver their content over Netflix's infrastructure, as an add-on (ie, netflix bills me $35 and takes a cut of that from the networks). Netflix has figured out the content delivery problems, and they have players on every device imaginable. TV is their core business. For Google and Apple, TV is just another distraction, and I suspect google will throw in the towel on this as well.

In Canada, "Shomi" was a network TV offering that started up by one of the big 3. It was meant to compete with Netflix, and it cost the same. But, you could only watch it on your phone or computer, or cast it to the TV. No TV player support and they weren't interested in creating that either. They eventually shut down, which was a surprise to no-one except many Shomi. If there was a "Shomi" app for AndroidTV, I would have subsribed, since it has lots of shows that I couldn't get on netflix. But I wasn't going to subscribe to watch it on my laptop.

Device support is crucial for any of these types of services to survive and you'll quickly be able to see how serious google is with this by the number of devices they start to support.
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Old 04-07-2017, 07:33 AM
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The "unlimited" DVR sounds cool, but for me the 9 month limit on retention would be a deal breaker. I usually prefer to wait to watch a new show until I know it's been renewed for at least a second season. Plus certain shows and movies I like to keep indefinitely, so I can re-watch them if I want.
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Old 04-07-2017, 07:36 AM
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Device support is crucial for any of these types of services to survive and you'll quickly be able to see how serious google is with this by the number of devices they start to support.
Agreed, but I think that Android/iOS (both with Chromecast) and the web is a good place to start.

And there's reason to be optimistic considering the exhaustive device support that both YouTube and Google Play Movies has. The latter doesn't come up much in the streaming discussion but even it has support for the web, Android, iOS, Chromecast, Roku, Android TV, Apple TV, and both Samsung/LG smart TV platforms. I'd be surprised if YouTube TV doesn't follow suit given its higher profile and ambition.
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Old 04-07-2017, 09:04 AM
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I think this will ultimately be the failing of this service. Google not only needs to get the Android apps out there for existing Android devices, but it also needs to be working on iOS and Roku options as well.
I hope they realize this, too... Google has been reasonably good about offering its services on other platforms. When they don't, (e.g., no Google Play Movies on Apple TV), that seems to be due to Apple's policies on in-app purchases. This skirts that issue, assuming you can't buy individual episodes within the app.

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Personally, this is where I think Netflix should be offer "as-a-service" additional TV offerings... ie, if I already pay for netflix, networks should be paying Netflix a cut to allow them to deliver their content over Netflix's infrastructure, as an add-on (ie, netflix bills me $35 and takes a cut of that from the networks). Netflix has figured out the content delivery problems, and they have players on every device imaginable. TV is their core business. For Google and Apple, TV is just another distraction, and I suspect google will throw in the towel on this as well.
It's not clear to me that Netflix is better suited for this. Developing apps isn't the hard part- Google can certainly do that for other platforms. The business arrangements are the hard part. You need to play by the rules of other platforms (namely, Apple's in-app purchase policies). And more significantly, you need to negotiate with the content companies. Netflix might have good arrangements with the studios, but dealing with hundreds of different affiliates spread over the US is a completely different animal, and one where any company is going to struggle.

I suppose it's true that video is more of Netflix's core business, but selling video/music (as services or individual items) is a core part of Google's strategy for Android/Android TV/Chromecast/etc. I very, very strongly suspect Google wished the network affiliates went away and that they would rather deal directly with the networks/studios, but I'm guessing they reached a conclusion that isn't going to work anytime soon.

The key sign I'm looking for is whether they actually expand to other markets. The key thing about their initial markets isn't just that they're big cities- it's that the most of the big local stations are owned by the networks. I'm sure that greatly simplified the negotiations.
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