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Old 04-23-2013, 10:17 AM
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Phoenix 2 Information Thread

Phoenix 2

As we approach a private and then public beta of P2, here's a high level overview.

Background
Phoenix 2 (P2) started as an effort on my part to update the weather on the original Phoenix release, and do a few minor tweaks to the UI. I quickly determined that given how the last few years have gone, my time to work on Phoenix is limited, and I needed to simplify it. Thus, from the ashes, P2 was born.

A lot of stuff has been removed from P2 that you might have liked in the original release. In order to support P2 in the future, as well as add new features as appropriate, this is a sacrifice that had to be made. P2 and Phoenix will coexist easily on the same system - so if there is something you really liked in the original release that didn't make the P2 cut - stay with Phoenix.

Simplifying the UI had some benefits of course. Features were hit and miss between all of the UMB variants in the original release. Same thing for the Landing Zones - there were so many of them adding a feature required touching a lot of screens and implementing, in a lot of cases, the same thing over and over again. And that didn't happen .

Landing Zone
There is a single landing zone in P2, although you can switch between two 'navigation' modes. Horizontal (the default) is very similar to the old Metro landing zone. Vertical is similar to the default UI's navigation.

Weather (current conditions and 4 day at most forecast) is shown on the landing zone only.

The global options menu from the original release is gone. So there is a SETTINGS menu in the landing zone now that has quite a bit of admin or setup related items.

The Landing Zone menu has been updated to allow up to 3 levels of menus. The top most level has to be a MENU (as opposed to a menu ITEM) but submenus are supported at the second level. You can see an example of this in the SETTINGS menu.

Options Menus
The Option menu in P2 slides out from the right side, shifting the current screen to the left to make room.

The first option in the options menu is 'Customize this screen' - this contains the settings you can use for UI changes relative to the current screen. Weather / Fanart Backgrounds, navigation modes, EPG display options (rows, columns, etc).

If a media item (music or video) has focus when options is pressed, you get a section of playback controls and other controls to do on that item (archive, watched, delete, metadata, fanart management, etc).

In the Landing Zone there are some general settings that you can access from the options menu also - weather configuration, global UI options, etc.

Media Browser
There is only one media browser, and it is list based. It is most similar to Inline UMB from the first release. Banners are displayed when appropriate (for folders containing a TV show), and then posters for individual items.

In the media browser there is a section of the options menu for Sorting, Filtering, Grouping. These are sticky, so when you come back to a view it will still be sorted / grouped how you left it last. Filtering is NOT sticky, so if you filter a view down to only UNWATCHED items, the next time you come back to that view it will not still have that filter applied.

Quick Navigation in the media browser is using the 'Starts With Alpha' method - you select a letter and the list is filtered down to items starting with that letter. This is somewhat intelligent in that it tries to pick the right metadata field to do the filter on - Show Title, Episode Title, Artist, Album, etc depending on the context.

Music browsing is now incorporated into the one and only media browser. There isn't a second or different experience for browsing music.

Playlists
There are two types of playlists supported in P2.

Audio : this is the basic audio playlist that SageTV core supports. You can add tracks, entire albums, or entire folders (ie multiple albums) into a new playlist or an existing playlist. When browsing playlists you can start Shuffle, Start from the beginning, or start from a particular track. Re-arranging the order of the playlist, or deleting items from the playlist, is NOT currently supported. You can tweak audio playlists in the default UI if you want to.

Video : Selecting 'Play' or pressing play on a folder that has video files queues them all up into a video playlist to be played back to back. These playlists can't be saved. Channel UP/Down on the remote advances to the next/previous item in the video play list.

Mixed playlists (supported in the SageTV core) are not supported in P2. I have no clue what will happen if you tried to play one.

Items Still Under Development
  • uPNP support
  • Customized Photo Screen Saver
  • Support for 3rd party apps to put a text message on the screen (Caller ID for instance)
  • More robust Auto Comskip
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:25 AM
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This forum needs a "Thanks" button! Been following your updates on G+. Getting excited for the release!

Thanks for all of your hard work.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:52 PM
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Can't wait to put this version on!

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Old 04-27-2013, 03:45 PM
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So far, LOVE IT!

Is it possible to reuse my vfs and menus I created?
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Old 04-27-2013, 03:47 PM
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Vfs yes, should be automatic. Menus will have to be recreated.
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Photo Menu?

Really enjoying Phoenix 2! However one feature I have used Sage for over the years is for displaying my catalog of photos on my NAS (a Sage import directory). I can't seem to find a way in the new Phoenix 2 interface that allows the navigation to these photos. Am I missing something obvious, or are photos simply not the intent of Phoenix 2?

Thx again!!!
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I left out the link to the picture browser (in the default UI). More of an oversight than anything. I'll add it back for the next release.
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I left out the link to the picture browser (in the default UI). More of an oversight than anything. I'll add it back for the next release.
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Awesome...thanks bialio. Again, great stuff you've done here, and very much appreciated by the Sage community.
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In the menu for TV, there is tv shows and archived shows. How do you get both in one list like the original Phoenix?
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Family Video folder

One more question. On my server in the SageTV application I am able to set the Family video folder under UI options. I am able to do it on the server because I can type the characters using my keyboard, such as:

\\NAS_NAME\family_videos

However this setting doesn't seem to get rolled out to the extenders like other Phoenix 2 settings appear to do. If I try to set this path on the extender directly, the virtual keypad available doesn't offer the characters I need (i.e. '\\').

I notice that in the SageClient.properties file that the path is there. Like:

phoenix/homevideos/folders=\\\\NAS_NAME\\family videos

However in the Sage.properties file there is no entry for homevideos. This behavior seemed backwards to what I was seeing, but I may not understand the purpose of the properties files completely.

What is the best way to get the homevideos path defined for the extenders?

Thank you again for all your work here...very much appreciated!
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In the menu for TV, there is tv shows and archived shows. How do you get both in one list like the original Phoenix?
In the Landing Zone the 'All TV Shows' menu item is hidden by default. Goto 'Edit Landing Zone' to change it.
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I am trying to create a Crafts submenu under the video menu that would point to a specific folder on my drive that has crafts videos. Can this be done with P2?
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