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Old 10-13-2015, 04:47 AM
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End of the Road for Phoenix UI

Phoenix was started by a number of people. Towards the end there were 3 of us, then 2, and now just me, and I'm not a STV developer.

Phoenix is comprised of a set of APIs and a UI. The APIs will continue to live on for some time, since they are used BMT, my Android Apps, Gemstone, and possibly other plugins as well.

But, since the people that Worked on the Phoenix UI is no longer engaged, then I'm starting to transition myself from Phoenix UI to Gemstone.

I'll obviously continue to answer questions about Phoenix, but, you shouldn't expect any fixes to the UI.

I someone else want to pick up the torch to maintain and update Phoenix 2 (or create a Phoenix 3) then I'll definitely work with you on the API side.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:40 PM
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I'd be interested to know how your transition to Gemstone goes, from the perspective of a Phoenix user. I'm still using the original Phoenix UI and there's a chance I'd update it with some tweaks (I have a few on my todo list) but I'm not an STV developer either.
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:34 PM
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Thank you for your lead and contributions to the Phoenix all these past years. It was and still is a great addition to the SageTV 7 customization choices. You have a bucketful of good Karma for all your work.
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Thank you for your lead and contributions to the Phoenix all these past years. It was and still is a great addition to the SageTV 7 customization choices. You have a bucketful of good Karma for all your work.
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I'd be interested to know how your transition to Gemstone goes, from the perspective of a Phoenix user. I'm still using the original Phoenix UI and there's a chance I'd update it with some tweaks (I have a few on my todo list) but I'm not an STV developer either.
There's good and bad... and different, which is usually worse than bad But overally, it's going well.

When I first installed it, I was thinking, ok, this is pretty much the same as the default stv, except blacker But after talking with Jusjoken, I got the multi-day forecast back on the main screen, along with a widget to show upcomming recordings, so that was good.

Initially my changes to widgets were not showing up (ie, I added weather and upcomming recordings, but they never showed up on the main menu). I existed the HD300 and came back, and they were there.

My Next challenge was to get a TV view of Unwatched TV shows grouped by Show (not season) and ordered by aired date, descending. This is really where Gemstone shines compared to Phoenix. I probably could have imported my existing Phoenix view, since if I recall, Gemstone uses phoenix views under the hood, but I opted to do it all from the UI. After looking through all the view layouts, the "Simplified" was the one that most closely matched Phoenix. I then configured it to group on show, only show unwatched, and order by airdate descing. All very quick and intuitive and all done from the UI. The one challenge was how to get this new view to show up under the TV section, and Jusjoken pointed me to the Menu Manager, where I was able to add the flow as a menu item.

Likewise, I tend to order all my movie views by date added, descending, so I went into the various Video views and just added a sort order to the views. I also created an "Unwatched Movies" that added the unwatched filter.

All of this was setup previously in Phoenix, but admittedly, in Phoenix I hand crafted each view at the Xml level (which is fine for me). The thing that impresses me most about Gemstone is the fact that all this configuration stuff is handled in the UI. The effort to do that is pretty vast.

I'll give it a run for bit and see how it goes. Some of the flows feel a little sluggish, but nothing that I can't live with. Bottom line is that if you are on Phoenix, you can probably get Gemstone to do what you what need.
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:49 AM
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There's good and bad... and different, which is usually worse than bad But overally, it's going well.

When I first installed it, I was thinking, ok, this is pretty much the same as the default stv, except blacker But after talking with Jusjoken, I got the multi-day forecast back on the main screen, along with a widget to show upcomming recordings, so that was good.

Initially my changes to widgets were not showing up (ie, I added weather and upcomming recordings, but they never showed up on the main menu). I existed the HD300 and came back, and they were there.

My Next challenge was to get a TV view of Unwatched TV shows grouped by Show (not season) and ordered by aired date, descending. This is really where Gemstone shines compared to Phoenix. I probably could have imported my existing Phoenix view, since if I recall, Gemstone uses phoenix views under the hood, but I opted to do it all from the UI. After looking through all the view layouts, the "Simplified" was the one that most closely matched Phoenix. I then configured it to group on show, only show unwatched, and order by airdate descing. All very quick and intuitive and all done from the UI. The one challenge was how to get this new view to show up under the TV section, and Jusjoken pointed me to the Menu Manager, where I was able to add the flow as a menu item.

Likewise, I tend to order all my movie views by date added, descending, so I went into the various Video views and just added a sort order to the views. I also created an "Unwatched Movies" that added the unwatched filter.

All of this was setup previously in Phoenix, but admittedly, in Phoenix I hand crafted each view at the Xml level (which is fine for me). The thing that impresses me most about Gemstone is the fact that all this configuration stuff is handled in the UI. The effort to do that is pretty vast.

I'll give it a run for bit and see how it goes. Some of the flows feel a little sluggish, but nothing that I can't live with. Bottom line is that if you are on Phoenix, you can probably get Gemstone to do what you what need.
Yes, gemstone uses the phoenix vfs views as the source of it's content, and then displays it with the gemstone flows. Most things can be configured in the UI, though you can still tweak the views in the xml if you like (I, for instance, have my TV split into 4 different views based on user-category, which I had to set up in the xml).
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One other thing.. That I haven't figured out, is comskip. In Phoenix, the comskip seqments show up in the timebar, but in gemstone they do not. I have comskip installed. Is there another comskip plugin that I need to install specific for Gemstone to get the behaviour that I had in Phoenix?
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There's a comskip UI Mod that needs to be installed, and no, it isn't specific to gemstone, it is the one for the default STV.
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