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Old 02-25-2016, 11:45 AM
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Ya data caps scare me and why I still have cable vs buying over vudu. Hoping they go away sooner rather than later but thst doesn't seem to be the case.
and, with streaming, we have to sit thru commercials. Sage isn't going away from my living room anytime soon
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:14 PM
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MakeMKV can't rip Blu-ray
actually it can rip bluray but the files are huge and full size video - to shrink the files requires some other program like handbrake to make the file smaller


As for DVDFab last I read was they had to remove blu-ray ripping in their software to people in the U.S.A

http://www.myce.com/news/dvdfab-remo...-blufab-70914/
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:16 PM
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actually it can rip bluray but the files are huge and full size video - to shrink the files requires some other program like handbrake to make the file smaller


As for DVDFab last I read was they had to remove blu-ray ripping in their software to people in the U.S.A

http://www.myce.com/news/dvdfab-remo...-blufab-70914/
You can buy the decryption separately and since it is now hosted in China it can't be taken down but the downloads could be blocked by ISPs potentially. Also you may not be able to pay for it which would effectively put them out of business.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:20 PM
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Thanks BobPhoenix!!!
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:37 PM
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actually it can rip bluray but the files are huge and full size video - to shrink the files requires some other program like handbrake to make the file smaller


As for DVDFab last I read was they had to remove blu-ray ripping in their software to people in the U.S.A

http://www.myce.com/news/dvdfab-remo...-blufab-70914/
Ture but there are other ways to get it round that
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:13 PM
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and, with streaming, we have to sit thru commercials. Sage isn't going away from my living room anytime soon
IDK what "streaming services" you are refering to there are no ads in Vudu content TV or movies...Also no ads in netflix or amazon content. Hulu has ads but idk anyone that even uses that service.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:51 PM
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While I've owned a lifetime AnyDVD license for a while, i will say that I haven't used it in quite some time. I've been much happier using MakeMKV for ripping my blurays. At one point i had it automated on insert, but lost that setup in a system change, and simply haven't gone through with continuing it. I purchase so few discs anymore, it hasn't been an issue. If MakeMKV ends up going away as well, however, I will likely not be purchasing any more ever again, and will end up just recording movies aggressively. Those that i can't get that way, will likely just be 'acquired' elsewhere. Good job on that one MPAA.
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:25 PM
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. At one point i had it automated on insert,
Exactly the reason I like makemkv. Got it automated to rip and name folder on insert of disc then eject it. So easy my wife and kids can do it with movies they aquire.

I also agree it just forces people to "aquire" it elsewhere.

Wait me and fuzzy agree and twice....something is not right in the universe. It seems titled and shifted and no longer in balance.....
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:22 PM
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If MakeMKV ends up going away as well, however, I will likely not be purchasing any more ever again, and will end up just recording movies aggressively. Those that i can't get that way, will likely just be 'acquired' elsewhere. Good job on that one MPAA.
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I also agree it just forces people to "aquire" it elsewhere.
It doesn't force people to to do anything, that's just a rationalization. It seems to me that if that's all it takes to drive someone to piracy, that they really never cared much about respecting copyright in the first place and were just looking for an excuse to not pay from the outset.

I'm not saying I don't get the reaction, I had a similar thoughts initially: "That will be the last disc I buy", etc.

But after taking a minute to calm down and think a bit, I realized a few things:
  • Quality and reliability is of utmost importance,
  • I'm not willing to stop enjoying content, or to obtain it illegally
  • My distaste for the usage limitations is outweighed by the enjoyment I get from the content.


Having my movies and purchased TV on my server is cool, and I like it greatly. But that's just a convenience, and it's predicated on what's on my server being of the highest quality obtainable. When I couldn't play lossless audio on my rips, I used the discs instead. Heck, I've already stopped ordering Blu-rays (SW7 specifically) in anticipation of a UHD BD release, and there's no guarantee those will ever be ripable (though I hope so).

Recording movies isn't an option because they're pretty much universally butchered for TV. Most channels don't broadcast OAR, nobody broadcasts lossless audio. Most channels put overlays and logos on the screen, not to mention the quality (compression), and commercials.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:39 PM
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I own a lifetime license to AnyDVD HD and it's installed on my system, but I didn't keep the last executable. Anyone have the latest one in case I need to reinstall?
Video help still has an active link:
http://www.videohelp.com/download/SetupAnyDVD7690.zip
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:04 PM
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It doesn't force people to to do anything, that's just a rationalization.
That is a valid point but most things people do or don't do are rationalized but very valid point.

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  • Quality and reliability is of utmost importance,
  • I'm not willing to stop enjoying content, or to obtain it illegally
  • My distaste for the usage limitations is outweighed by the enjoyment I get from the content.

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I agree with this and it's what leads more towards VUDU. Their quality and is top notch. Saw they are even launching 4k with Dobly Atmos. But it's like a standoff with cable companies and their stupid data caps.

What I hope (very wishful) is cable will start eliminating streaming sites from their data usage (much like tmobile does or one of the carriers). But that is a long shot. I am afraid data caps are here to stay and will only get worse and more expensive.

To me disc are not an option. I don't want to store them in my living room nor do I want to go back to having my kids handle disc and get them scratched all the time.

Wth ever happened to managed copy??
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:34 PM
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Video help still has an active link:
http://www.videohelp.com/download/SetupAnyDVD7690.zip
Better link then the possibly virus infected link I found. Thanks.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:41 PM
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That is a valid point but most things people do or don't do are rationalized but very valid point.



I agree with this and it's what leads more towards VUDU. Their quality and is top notch. Saw they are even launching 4k with Dobly Atmos. But it's like a standoff with cable companies and their stupid data caps.

What I hope (very wishful) is cable will start eliminating streaming sites from their data usage (much like tmobile does or one of the carriers). But that is a long shot. I am afraid data caps are here to stay and will only get worse and more expensive.

To me disc are not an option. I don't want to store them in my living room nor do I want to go back to having my kids handle disc and get them scratched all the time.

Wth ever happened to managed copy??
The other major issues with 'just using discs'.. is I've not owned a DVD or BluRay player in at least 10 years.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:49 AM
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IDK what "streaming services" you are refering to there are no ads in Vudu content TV or movies...Also no ads in netflix or amazon content. Hulu has ads but idk anyone that even uses that service.
abc, cbs, nbc, tbs to name a few. all with ads
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Old 02-26-2016, 03:06 AM
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abc, cbs, nbc, tbs to name a few. all with ads
I don't consider the ad supported content on their pages to be a 'streaming service'. A 'streaming service' would be the likes of amazon, hulu, netflix, etc - that is an actual paid for service - which don't have ads. And in those cases, PlayLater recordings support comskip just as well as traditionally recorded content, so for a sage user it isn't much different.
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That is a valid point but most things people do or don't do are rationalized but very valid point.
It just sort of bugs me when I hear "well I can't use it how I want, so I'm just going to download it illegally instead". As if not being happy with the product's limitations is a valid justification for not paying to use it.

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I agree with this and it's what leads more towards VUDU. Their quality and is top notch. Saw they are even launching 4k with Dobly Atmos. But it's like a standoff with cable companies and their stupid data caps.
Too bad it's not lossless audio. And I've had terrible luck with Vudu. Now I suspect it was an issue with my Roku 4, but regardless I had frequent buffering issues and other glitches, and that's the sort of experience that is just not acceptable in my HT, especially when I have guests over.

I've never had that problem with discs, and even Vudu's best isn't up to what you can get on a Disc.

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To me disc are not an option. I don't want to store them in my living room nor do I want to go back to having my kids handle disc and get them scratched all the time.

Wth ever happened to managed copy??
UHD Blu-ray is supposed to have Copy & Export. We'll see how that works out.
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It just sort of bugs me when I hear "well I can't use it how I want, so I'm just going to download it illegally instead". As if not being happy with the product's limitations is a valid justification for not paying to use it.
Sort of passive aggressive. When you don't agree with something, you show your displeasure in a non-agressive way. I think it's a natural response to many things.

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Too bad it's not lossless audio. And I've had terrible luck with Vudu. Now I suspect it was an issue with my Roku 4, but regardless I had frequent buffering issues and other glitches, and that's the sort of experience that is just not acceptable in my HT, especially when I have guests over.

I've never had that problem with discs, and even Vudu's best isn't up to what you can get on a Disc.


UHD Blu-ray is supposed to have Copy & Export. We'll see how that works out.
Sadly (or not)... i think discs are going the way of vinyl. I ripped a buch of discs the other day, and they were scratched badly (I have no idea how/why it happened), and I ended up with one disc that I couldn't rip at all

I get what you are saying about audio and video quality... but I'm not sure there is enough audio/video philes out there to sustain the industry. Majority of people are really don't care as long as it sounds "good enough" and looks "good enough" (I'm probably in that camp as well). I ripped some DVDs this week, watched them, and I thought they looked fine.

I also have zero faith that the industry will do anything worthwhile with "Copy and Export". Most of these things are simply the industry trying to 'show' that it has consumers in mind, more to stave off govt intervention, and very little to do with actually providing something consumers want.
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Sort of passive aggressive. When you don't agree with something, you show your displeasure in a non-agressive way. I think it's a natural response to many things.
Yeah, but it's a similar thought process (terribly, terribly different result) to rioting. I don't like what happened, so the law and morals don't apply to me anymore (let's be clear, I'm not even remotely equating the two actions).

Now if the sentiment was: "I don't like the restrictions of discs, so I'm going to boycott and not buy any anymore." I could totally get behind that. At least if I thought there were enough people to do it that it would have an effect.

Unfortunately this is a no win situation. Those of us who appreciate unrestricted use discs aren't even a drop in the bucket, if we all stopped buying discs it wouldn't even register on the studios balance sheets.

On the contrary, if there's a rise in piracy (there probably won't be, same as above, I'm sure the number of folks ripping purchased discs pales in comparison to the number of folks illegally downloading), the studios would just see that as confirmation that they need more security, and clamp down further. They'd never connect the dots that their restrictions are causing it (frankly they probably aren't, I'm sure most illegal downloaders don't even know there's encryption on discs).

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Sadly (or not)... i think discs are going the way of vinyl. I ripped a buch of discs the other day, and they were scratched badly (I have no idea how/why it happened), and I ended up with one disc that I couldn't rip at all

I get what you are saying about audio and video quality... but I'm not sure there is enough audio/video philes out there to sustain the industry.
I don't know, Laserdisc had a long and successful life. Lots of folks seem to think that a format needs to get major mass-market adoption to be successful. The truth is quite the contrary, there's room for niche formats. They're still pressing vinyl today, and Laserdisc was a success as well.

If UHD Blu-ray ends up a repeat of Laserdisc, I think I'll be happy, it doesn't need to replace DVD/Blu-ray or streaming IMO.

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Majority of people are really don't care as long as it sounds "good enough" and looks "good enough" (I'm probably in that camp as well). I ripped some DVDs this week, watched them, and I thought they looked fine.

I also have zero faith that the industry will do anything worthwhile with "Copy and Export". Most of these things are simply the industry trying to 'show' that it has consumers in mind, more to stave off govt intervention, and very little to do with actually providing something consumers want.
I'm not expecting anything there either, but we'll see.
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Unfortunately this is a no win situation. Those of us who appreciate unrestricted use discs aren't even a drop in the bucket, if we all stopped buying discs it wouldn't even register on the studios balance sheets.

On the contrary, if there's a rise in piracy (there probably won't be, same as above, I'm sure the number of folks ripping purchased discs pales in comparison to the number of folks illegally downloading), the studios would just see that as confirmation that they need more security, and clamp down further. They'd never connect the dots that their restrictions are causing it (frankly they probably aren't, I'm sure most illegal downloaders don't even know there's encryption on discs).
illegal downloaded also don't know there's encryption on the discs because there are things like AnyDVD and MakeMKV removing it for them.

In any case, some industries HAVE figured out that, just as you stated, the number of potential pirates are inconsequential to the mass market, and they've concluded that hurting the mass market consumer in an effort to prevent the minor pirate is a net loss for the industry. DRM has pretty much vanished from the music industry, because it was restricting the way the mass market of consumers were able to consume the content. It was the direct result of cheap mp3 players, both portable and automotive, that couldn't handle the DRM becoming so popular that got them to move away from the concept. This would already be the case with video content, if it weren't for the fact that MOST video capable playback devices are supplied BY the content distributors (Fire TV, AppleTV, etc). The growth of non-provider devices in the market is happening, with small Kodi type systems and such, so we may see things change in the future, but it will take time. For now, internet speeds are such that for the mass market, download then play is not all that preferable to just stream, so the non-storage streaming boxes are still king, but that may not be the case as storage continued to cheapen, and speeds continue to increase.

I will say I have more than once 'acquired' a movie that I've owned, because it was far simpler than ripping it would have been, and frankly, could be downloaded faster than it could be ripped.
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Back when AnyDVD was new it was possible to add AACS and BD+ keys to your local AnyDVD library. If that feature still exists, then AnyDVD should continue to work for new discs if you know the key. Although I don't know why anyone would continue to use it over the other options.

While I still have a bluray player (and HD-DVD and laserdisc players) it's automatic for me to rip any new disc to my Sage library since the playback controls are far superior. I've used my laserdisc player more recently than my bluray player.
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