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Old 08-06-2018, 02:30 PM
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April Update - Now No USBUIRT Tuning

So my Sage server just ran the April 2018 update.... Post update, now my USBUIRT isn't tuning the channels on my Sat receivers. I still see it in the list of USB devices... Anyone else run into this? My HDPVRs are recording - just not from the right channels...




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Old 08-06-2018, 02:58 PM
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Problem seems to have fixed itself, whether due to the rest of the updates, or the 2 or 3 reboots associated with them...
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:17 AM
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Problem seems to have fixed itself, whether due to the rest of the updates, or the 2 or 3 reboots associated with them...
So are you saying that you have USBUIRT working on a Win10 64 bit installation? When I was upgrading my old Windows Home Server machine I really wanted to move to 64 bit, but that would have killed my Firewire tuning of my STBs.
I have a USBUIRT that I originally was using when I had a single STB and no FireWire port. But when I went to 2 STBs (and HD-PVR's naturally) I upgraded to a MOBO with FW ports and the tuning was flawless on both STBs for years.

When I was considering going back to the USBUIRT several things I read said it didn't work with Win8/10 and looking at their website the drivers hadn't been updates in MANY years. So I thought it was a non-starter and went with a 32 bit Windows OS so I could keep my FireWire STB tuning.

If people have working USBUIRT setups with Win10 64 bit I may try to make the move and use my USBUIRT for tuning. Being able to use 64Bit Java would probably help IMMENSELY with all the Java heap overruns I get in the 32 bit Java. Usually at least once a day on my main server and less frequently on my old backup server since it gets used for viewing so little. I just point my SageTV extender to the old backup machine to delete watched shows and make sure it is recording the right things.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:22 PM
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So are you saying that you have USBUIRT working on a Win10 64 bit installation?
USBUIRT works just fine on Win10 64 bit.
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When I was considering going back to the USBUIRT several things I read said it didn't work with Win8/10 and looking at their website the drivers hadn't been updates in MANY years.
Win 7/8/10 all use the same drivers. The fact that they haven't been updated recently doesn't prevent them from working, although installing on Win10 might complain a bit about driver signing (which can be ignored).
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Being able to use 64Bit Java would probably help IMMENSELY with all the Java heap overruns I get in the 32 bit Java.
SageTv is still a 32-bit app and requires 32-bit Java. Assuming you continue to use Windows, the greatest gain will be realized by switching from a 32-bit OS to a 64-bit OS.

Remember, any 32-bit version of Windows can only access a max of 3GB of memory. The OS + app(s) must all fit in that 3GB memory space. The Win7/8/10 OS itself eats about 1GB of that, leaving typically only 2GB for all applications. Pretty restrictive.

On the other hand, running a 64-bit version of Win7/8/10 means that any single 32-bit app **itself** can access up to a max of 4GB. While not massive, that's still a pretty big improvement as far as Sage is concerned. Under these conditions, it's possible to bump the Java Heap space up to 1GB.

Personal experience with supporting 4 different Sage systems running on Win7-x64 (with 8GB of memory) has been that (with one exception), the system is very stable and easily runs for 6 months at a time without needing to restart Sage or the OS. Caveat: none of these systems have any Sage extensions installed, which can be fairly heap-hungry.

My single biggest source of Sage instability used to be one system with 2 HD-PVR capture devices and 3 HD-200 extenders. After instituting a nightly power-cycle of the HD-PVRs, that system is also pretty stable now. It runs for months without needing to restart Sage or the OS.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:24 AM
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USBUIRT works just fine on Win10 64 bit.

Win 7/8/10 all use the same drivers. The fact that they haven't been updated recently doesn't prevent them from working, although installing on Win10 might complain a bit about driver signing (which can be ignored).


SageTv is still a 32-bit app and requires 32-bit Java. Assuming you continue to use Windows, the greatest gain will be realized by switching from a 32-bit OS to a 64-bit OS.

Remember, any 32-bit version of Windows can only access a max of 3GB of memory. The OS + app(s) must all fit in that 3GB memory space. The Win7/8/10 OS itself eats about 1GB of that, leaving typically only 2GB for all applications. Pretty restrictive.

On the other hand, running a 64-bit version of Win7/8/10 means that any single 32-bit app **itself** can access up to a max of 4GB. While not massive, that's still a pretty big improvement as far as Sage is concerned. Under these conditions, it's possible to bump the Java Heap space up to 1GB.

Personal experience with supporting 4 different Sage systems running on Win7-x64 (with 8GB of memory) has been that (with one exception), the system is very stable and easily runs for 6 months at a time without needing to restart Sage or the OS. Caveat: none of these systems have any Sage extensions installed, which can be fairly heap-hungry.

My single biggest source of Sage instability used to be one system with 2 HD-PVR capture devices and 3 HD-200 extenders. After instituting a nightly power-cycle of the HD-PVRs, that system is also pretty stable now. It runs for months without needing to restart Sage or the OS.
But Firewire tuning is still impossible with any 64bit system, yes?
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Old 08-14-2018, 08:17 AM
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But Firewire tuning is still impossible with any 64bit system, yes?
Correct. That's the one disadvantage of moving from 32-bit to 64-bit Windows.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:20 PM
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Correct. That's the one disadvantage of moving from 32-bit to 64-bit Windows.
More than anything, if I knew how to write code for these kinds of things, I’d update that FireWire, 32bit thing to 64bit. Who was that guy and where did he go? I realize 1394 isn’t used as much these days, but my new, Cox, Cisco set top box still has one, and it still works. And it works very, very well...
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:31 PM
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More than anything, if I knew how to write code for these kinds of things, Iíd update that FireWire, 32bit thing to 64bit. Who was that guy and where did he go? I realize 1394 isnít used as much these days, but my new, Cox, Cisco set top box still has one, and it still works. And it works very, very well...
The deal is the drivers themselves were originally written by, I believe, Panasonic for one of their D-VHS recorders. There were never 64-bit drivers written for those recorders since their use predates 64-bit Windows. Also, since it was a proprietary driver the source code doesn't exist in the wild. So, you'd have to write 64-bit drivers from scratch.

I don't even know where the technical specifications for the messaging protocols live.
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The deal is the drivers themselves were originally written by, I believe, Panasonic for one of their D-VHS recorders. There were never 64-bit drivers written for those recorders since their use predates 64-bit Windows. Also, since it was a proprietary driver the source code doesn't exist in the wild. So, you'd have to write 64-bit drivers from scratch.

I don't even know where the technical specifications for the messaging protocols live.
I still have a Sony DV Cam with 1394, and yes, had a couple of JVC D-VHS recorders too. Can we ask Panasonic to release the driver code into the wild? Would that help?
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But Firewire tuning is still impossible with any 64bit system, yes?
No - it works perfectly fine on unRAID Linux which is 64bit and other Linux variations as well.
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More than anything, if I knew how to write code for these kinds of things, Iíd update that FireWire, 32bit thing to 64bit. Who was that guy and where did he go? I realize 1394 isnít used as much these days, but my new, Cox, Cisco set top box still has one, and it still works. And it works very, very well...
The guy who got this all going was Tim M Moore - although his web page has disappeared.
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