3.0 a few weeks away? (unofficial announcent discussion)

[Enormous]

Originally Posted by Crashless

I'd be surprised if there was a mass exodus because Studio wasn't included.

After all the time I've put into getting my setup just right, I'm too lazy to "jump" any "ships".

[MTuckman]

Dan Kardatzke wrote in Announcements/SageTV In The News 4/13/2005
Keep an eye out for more in the near future as well as an update about version 3.0 due out in beta in the coming weeks.

Can this be true??? Can we really be coming down to the wire and version 3.0 is getting ready for primetime?

And what if Studio was released as part of this???

One can only wait, hope, and see...

[GbrNole]

i highly doubt we'll see studio but here's hoping 3.0 adds cd playback at least.

[ukmgranger]

Originally Posted by GbrNole

i highly doubt we'll see studio but here's hoping 3.0 adds cd playback at least.

I second that one!!

[turak]

Originally Posted by Crashless

I'd be surprised if there was a mass exodus because Studio wasn't included. Sure there might be a couple, but remember: Frey never said it would be included. So for people to go huffing away because it isn't, would be kind of childish.

It seems that those that are truely interested in contributing to the community, have been given Studio. So I would say (disclaimer:I'm not a frey employee) that it takes more than 50 posts, and whining to earn the trust of Frey (or anyone for that matter).

That said, there are a number of things we CAN expect with 3.0, like native MVP support, and a built-in web server. Those are things that we've been told are planned to be in by 3.0's release.

Originally they said it would be included with the release of 2.0. Studio would be nice to have, but I've pretty much given up on getting it. SageTV is a good product without studio and as long as Nielm keeps pumping out slick modules, I'm happy.

[GbrNole]

i'm really quite happy with sage. if i had an order of importance for things i want added it would be this:

1. cd playback
2. hdtv card support
3. full screen exclusive vmr9

although where #3 is concerned i have thought about switching back to an ati card to curb that problem.

native mvp is nice but i'd much rather have a thin client that is actually worth a darn. the mvp is kinda lousy.

[leo]

I would like to add some remarks from someone living outside the US about SageTV (hope my english is passable) :

I'm involved in http://www.homemedia.fr, a website dedicated to all medias connected at home (htpc, media center...) and in march we released a 30 pages mediacenter roundup (myhtpc, meedio, xlobby, geexbox, windows MCE, mediaportal and sageTV). you can get it here

I assume almost no one speaks french so I sum up the conclusion for you : Although SageTV is my favorite one's it didn't win. Why ?

1. Only the lucky guys owning Studio can customize and add plugins to SageTV...What for ? I can understand that Microsoft prefers keeping its code secret as it sells MCE as a whole product (soft+hard) through OEMs, but Frey is not Microsoft.

2. SageTV is the only one without a french speaking dedicated website. I think it's the same for most of european countries. French translation began in january 2005. It's not only a matter of language, but for example you can get on french meedio website lots of plugins/supports which help you to fix local issues (e.g. about xmltv grabber...) in spite of meedio is not free like xlobby or mediaportal (maybe meedio relies too much on external plugins makers...). SageTV is designed by, and maybe too much, for american people.
Why doesn't Frey look after european partners as meedio did with Wska ?

3. what about cd playback (it's a pity sageTV is able to read music formats only on hdd)

Be careful, I've pointed out the main SageTV drawbacks, but I use it daily as a PVR + DVD player (the very best in my opinion), and I won't change it. But I will include it in Meedio (with meediosage, thanks to mostlyfodder !) which gives additional functionalities.

[ukmgranger]

any word on 3.0 yet?

[Crashless]

I knew a post like that was overdue.

I just checked, and there was nothing new in the annoucement forum.

Maybe next week.

[Fluffdaddy]

Yep next week for sure

[dbfresh23]

Is anyone really expecting any jaw dropping changes? From the sounds of it the biggest change is going to be linux support, which we end users wont really see unless we buy a prebuilt box. I for one have no interest in the other *BIG* one which is a Frey MVP plugin. If existing STVs are going to work then I'd assume that means the GUI hasn't changed too much either. Am I just missing something here?

[dvd_maniac]

If existing STVs are going to work then I'd assume that means the GUI hasn't changed too much either.

Is this documented somewhere? I am worried about not being able to use Cayars STV for External Player feature and 3.0 not being able to play Nero AVC or have a built in external player feature...
I am almost done converting my entire 1000+ dvd collection to a mixture of Nero ASP and AVC and love Sage as a front-end. I'd hate to lose this functionality!

[dbfresh23]

What OPUS leads me to thing in this post is what made me say that....

http://forums.freytechnologies.com/f...postcount=3401

[dvd_maniac]

If something is fixed/changed in the core, you never know if something might have to be changed in an STV, but the STV concept itself isn't going away.

This would be bad for Cayars given that he is MIA and it probably would not be fixed...

[flashbacck]

Originally Posted by dbfresh23

Is anyone really expecting any jaw dropping changes? From the sounds of it the biggest change is going to be linux support, which we end users wont really see unless we buy a prebuilt box. I for one have no interest in the other *BIG* one which is a Frey MVP plugin. If existing STVs are going to work then I'd assume that means the GUI hasn't changed too much either. Am I just missing something here?

yeah, at least from what we know it doesn't sound like much is changing. Which makes me wonder why it's being called 3.0 rather than 2.5 or something. But who knows, maybe Sage's been totally revamped

[PGPfan]

Guys, I can't believe what I'm hearing. First we bitch and moan about no developement from Frey. Then we start to bitch and moan about the possibility that they might totally 'revamp' Sage only they better not change anything to do it? WTF?

Simple concept - Jeff/Dan, bring on a totally new Sage (with customization features comparable to the competition if not better), who cares if our 2.x .stv's are broken. That's life. If it's better to change the core now, DO IT!
We will recover from the pain!

I remember working for MS awhile ago and always seeing people talk about how the move from Windows x.x to Windows x.x sucks because look at how bloated the OS is. Well, not one person was able to describe a way to add features WITHOUT adding code! In the same light, Sage MUST CHANGE! That's is the only way it can possibly improve.

We just need to collectively stop whining about it and let the developement to do what they do best.

-PGPfan

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by PGPfan

Guys, I can't believe what I'm hearing. First we bitch and moan about no developement from Frey. Then we start to bitch and moan about the possibility that they might totally 'revamp' Sage only they better not change anything to do it? WTF?

Get used to it

[TerryMathews]

I've got my fingers crossed for full MCE Remote support (WM_INPUT in specific), so that I can finally stop using Girder.

[ukmgranger]

Originally Posted by ukmgranger

any word on 3.0 yet?

he, he, I knew that that would kick up the dust!!

The forums were getting a little dull - that had to be the question to get things going again!!

[Fluffdaddy]

"Online Scheduling will be available for any SageTV 3.0 product"

Hummm Hummm Good