SageTV V4.1.7 Beta Is Available - Now with Placeshifting!

[Narflex]

The issue with the dynamic rate not working very well in placeshifting is fixed for 4.1.8 which should be out today.

[wheelrandolph]

Hi All,
I have Placeshifter installed and can bring up my home Sage system from work but get NO Video--the sound works fine. This also happens at home from my laptop on my local network. Does my work PC (or my laptop) need any special software, etc. to display the video?
Thanks for any help.
Randy

[Matt-CV]

I am confused as well about the licensing issue with place shifting.
I have used Sage Client from work over my cable modem to the home server and except for the noticeable packet loss while trying to watch a video because the server is streaming @ 4-5Mb/s and my upstream is in the 1.5Mb/s range all else works fine. I can move through the menu's play music etc... ( playing video it is seen but clipping and stuttering is so bad because of the limited bandwidth I really never watch it) only 3 forwarding ports need to be setup on your NAT box.
I have recorded shows at a very low bit rate and can watch them better but I like the better quality when home so I keep it at 'great'.

So.. I was thinking place shifting would be an option with either the client or server software, so not sure why a media extender needs to be used... Lets just assume you do... BUT I do have a client license and yet I may need to get another MVP license ??
I carry the same laptop that i use in the house to work, so the same client license is on it.

Dont get me wrong, this new feature may need to be charged for, but I see it as an incremental on the client.
Before I go further into this, maybe someone can explain the details...

MH

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Narflex

Howdy all! SageTV 4.1.7 Beta is now available.

SageTV V4.1.7 Release Notes 2/20/06

18. Fixed WMV import bug with not detecting the title correctly.

Well, It helped. It seems that .wmv's with no titles display under the filename in the proper subfolder. However, .wmv's with a title display under the titlename, and in the home import directory.

[ben_95sl1]

Originally Posted by Matt-CV

I am confused as well about the licensing issue with place shifting.
I have used Sage Client from work over my cable modem to the home server and except for the noticeable packet loss while trying to watch a video because the server is streaming @ 4-5Mb/s and my upstream is in the 1.5Mb/s range all else works fine. I can move through the menu's play music etc... ( playing video it is seen but clipping and stuttering is so bad because of the limited bandwidth I really never watch it) only 3 forwarding ports need to be setup on your NAT box.
I have recorded shows at a very low bit rate and can watch them better but I like the better quality when home so I keep it at 'great'.

So.. I was thinking place shifting would be an option with either the client or server software, so not sure why a media extender needs to be used... Lets just assume you do... BUT I do have a client license and yet I may need to get another MVP license ??
I carry the same laptop that i use in the house to work, so the same client license is on it.

Dont get me wrong, this new feature may need to be charged for, but I see it as an incremental on the client.
Before I go further into this, maybe someone can explain the details...

MH

I'll keep reiterating the same statement....client licensing should all be the same IMO. If sage refuses to do this, then maybe there can be some discount for someone with a sage client licence. Basically, it sounds like a client licence is becoming obsoleted now...the only difference being built in local DVD playback on the client vs the placeshifter which does more at the same price and can also be used with mvp as long as not concurrent.

[lotusvball]

Originally Posted by ben_95sl1

I'll keep reiterating the same statement....client licensing should all be the same IMO. If sage refuses to do this, then maybe there can be some discount for someone with a sage client licence. Basically, it sounds like a client licence is becoming obsoleted now...the only difference being built in local DVD playback on the client vs the placeshifter which does more at the same price and can also be used with mvp as long as not concurrent.

I concur. I have a client license that I have not used since the MVP came out and now I have to buy another MVP license instead of using my client license that I already own. Just doesn't make any sense. I didn't do an update to an MVP license when first offered because I had to by the MVP anyway.

[chrysek]

Originally Posted by Narflex

Here's a download link to a zip file that has all the files you need for a Windows Placeshifter:

http://download.sage.tv/SageTVPlaceshifter.zip

There's no actual install for them, just put them all in the same directory and run it. You do need to have Java installed on that system (that is the only requirement). We will be creating an installer for it as well (and will still also provide an install-less version).

Now...you say you're happy just running the UI of the Placeshifter without any video. Well that can be done on any platform that supports Java. Just copy the MiniClient.jar file http://download.sage.tv/MiniClient.jar to that system and from the command line run this in the same directory that you put the MiniClient.jar file:
java -cp MiniClient.jar sage.miniclient.MiniClient

That'll run the SageTV Placeshifter. Everything will work except for music/video playback.

Why do I see trial on my screen trying to access this Placeshifter ? do I need to purchase it? Or it is part of Sage? Thanks.


Chris

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by chrysek

Why do I see trial on my screen trying to access this Placeshifter ?

From the release notes in the first post of this thread:

Originally Posted by Narflex

4. IMPORTANT: The licensing for the Placeshifter is done on the server. It uses the same licensing as the SageTV Media Extender. They share the same trial period as well. After the trial is up you will need to have a Media Extender license installed on the server for each simultaneous connection you want to have for either a Media Extender or a Placeshifter.

- Andy

[chrysek]

Originally Posted by Opus4

From the release notes in the first post of this thread:

- Andy

But I do own Sage Server, I am running beta 4.1.8 where I am trying this so why do I get this? I have 1 SageCleint licenses. I do not use my Client License at all sine I dont need it. I then do not understand why it is giving me trial then.

Where could I purchase it or what do I need to fix that? I realy would like to use that feature since I love it so much.


Ah, I do remember at some point sage was offereing to convert sage client licenses to media extender or something, is that still going on? Can I convert my client license still?

Thanks..

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by chrysek

But I do own Sage Server, I am running beta 4.1.8 where I am trying this so why do I get this?

The media extender licensing is done on the server -- meaning they are entered on the server, not that you only need a server license. See the option to enter a license in Start -> All Programs -> SageTV

Where could I purchase it or what do I need to fix that?

The SageTV store has a software item for the extender... but it looks like it calls it an MVP license.

Ah, I do remember at some point sage was offereing to convert sage client licenses to media extender or something, is that still going on? Can I convert my client license still?

That offer expired a while back.

- Andy

[chrysek]

Originally Posted by Opus4

The media extender licensing is done on the server -- meaning they are entered on the server, not that you only need a server license. See the option to enter a license in Start -> All Programs -> SageTV


The SageTV store has a software item for the extender... but it looks like it calls it an MVP license.

That offer expired a while back.

- Andy

Does it mean that I need a separate server license to use placeshifting other than what I have my server license? or my client license? I did purchase Sage Client but I do not know if this is exactly the same as media extender license. This is confusing. If those are two separate licenses can I replace my cleint license with this one that will work for placeshifting ? I dont use my client license anyway and this would work for me perectly well.

Thank you so much for your help.

Chris

[Opus4]

They are all different licenses: server, client, and media extender. In your case, you would need to add a media extender license to use the Placeshifter.

- Andy

[mattsm]

Originally Posted by Opus4

They are all different licenses: server, client, and media extender. In your case, you would need to add a media extender license to use the Placeshifter.

- Andy

That is what the release notes should have said. It was a little confusing for me at first also. Especially the fact that if you have already used your MVP trial you can not trial the Placeshifter.

-Matthew

[Keith]

Originally Posted by mattsm

That is what the release notes should have said. It was a little confusing for me at first also. Especially the fact that if you have already used your MVP trial you can not trial the Placeshifter.

-Matthew

For me that's a broken feature. If they're seperate licenses they shouldn't affect each other. This whole license thing has me so turned off I'm not even interested in trying the placeshifter any more.

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Keith

For me that's a broken feature. If they're seperate licenses they shouldn't affect each other. This whole license thing has me so turned off I'm not even interested in trying the placeshifter any more.

Its not a separate license. The same license allows you to use one MVP or one placeshifter client at a time.

[Keith]

OK. That makes sense. Finally. Thanks.

[mayamaniac]

I think they will eventually make all client licenses the same, whether its for MVP Extender client, Placeshift client, or SageTV client. At least there has been enough complaints from users about it ever since the MVP Extender licenses were introduced. So we'll see how SageTV LLC will handle this...

[bcjenkins]

I was talking about the licenses with a co-worker. (We're both Sage users) and a a rare thinking moment happened for me ;-) Perhaps the reason the client license is different is because there are royalties paid for the decoders, etc., in the client license.

B

[Keith]

Originally Posted by bcjenkins

I was talking about the licenses with a co-worker. (We're both Sage users) and a a rare thinking moment happened for me ;-) Perhaps the reason the client license is different is because there are royalties paid for the decoders, etc., in the client license.

B

Well that brings up a good point. In the MVP, royalties - if any, are paid by Hauppauge since the decoding is done in their hardware (Divx notwithstanding).

As to the Placeshifter, that bundles an open source decoder. So where would royalty payments go?

I think the licenses are different "because they can be".

[PGPfan]

I'm not sure there would be any royalties paid if using the MVP. I'd assume that you're referring to royalties for DVD playback, but it can't do that by design so no royalty fee payment is needed. What other royalties might be tied to the MVP?

-PGPfan