How to get HDHR QAM working with v6.2

[dwalton22]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Silicon Dust has depreciated the use of the remap file in the latest version of the BDA driver. You now have to use the HDHR Setup program. From the Lineup tab enter your information and then use the Channel Editor to do the scans. It will create fake channels in the process. Use these fake channels as the destination to remap existing real channels in your SageTV lineup. It was a rather easier process than creating the remap file.

Is there an updated set of instructions for the new BDA drivers? I tried what you described and can tune the channels with the HDHR setup program but can't tune them with sage.

[Taddeusz]

It appears that their instructions for setting up SageTV for the HDHR still use the old network mode. The instructions I followed loosely were the newer ones for MCE here:

http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdho...ions/mce_cable

I hope that helps explain things a little.

Really though, the only part of that I followed was the part about doing the channel scan with the setup utility. I'm not sure if it matters or not but you may have to select each channel as "normal" in the dropdown. The rest of it was pretty straightforward remapping the cable channels in my existing lineup to the new virtual channels created by the Channel Editor.

[kevine]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

It appears that their instructions for setting up SageTV for the HDHR still use the old network mode. The instructions I followed loosely were the newer ones for MCE here:

http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdho...ions/mce_cable

I hope that helps explain things a little.

Really though, the only part of that I followed was the part about doing the channel scan with the setup utility. I'm not sure if it matters or not but you may have to select each channel as "normal" in the dropdown. The rest of it was pretty straightforward remapping the cable channels in my existing lineup to the new virtual channels created by the Channel Editor.

Yeah, this did not work. By virtual channels, did you mean the channels in the left column? Because it has the frequency with my regular channel next to it. Then there is a channel column 10.1, 10.2, etc. Then there is a Trigger column 1 though whatever. I have tried all of these combinations though. None work. I have noticed that even after installing the latest HDHomeRun beta that my SageTV connection tab is missing, so I can't even try network encoders again. Uninstall and reinstall does not fix this either.

Lastly, the tuner in Sage reports "network encoders=true". I would think that would need to change before BDA would work. No? I tried to delete the tuner and readd it but no luck.

[carlgar]

Yes, you need to get network encoders=false to be using the BDA stuff. You probably have the wrong tuners configured. When you go into the source setup, you should see 2 sets of tuners for the HDHomerun. You want the one that start with the name Silicondust, I believe the ones for network encoding start with HDHomerun.

[Taddeusz]

The fake channels are the ones in the Trigger column.

FYI, I started using the BDA driver for my HDHR from day one so I have no idea how the network encoder part works. Other than a few timeline issues every once in a while I haven't had any major problems. I think the timeline issues have been continually ironed out more as new SageTV beta releases and new HDHR drivers are released.

[kevine]

Thanks for the help. I will give your suggestions a try tonight or tomorrow. I'll let you know.

[kevine]

I have solve the tuning problem. In Vista, you need to shut off UAC. Just running it as a service or as Administrator is not good enough. I actually discovered this by mistake. I forgot to run as administrator 1 time and had to run through the wizard again. This pissed me off so I disabled UAC. Then just tried the HDHR and it worked.

Now I just have the stuttering problem that others report. No audio stutter. Just video. Every half second it jumps. Hardly noticeable unless you watch a streaming ticker at the bottom of a news program. Then it stands out like a sore thumb. Any suggestions? Happens in HD and SD channels.

[carlgar]

You should make sure you have turned off superfetch. This is a problem I encountered with Vista when playing HD programs. I don't recall the exact symtoms but it was studdering of some sort.

[kevine]

Originally Posted by carlgar

You should make sure you have turned off superfetch. This is a problem I encountered with Vista when playing HD programs. I don't recall the exact symtoms but it was studdering of some sort.

Yes, I read your previous post or I think it was yours. I tried that and it did not help. Installed new display drivers. I have an ATI x800 card. Rebooted. Still happening.


I also still cannot get BDA to work.
Latest Sage Release Canidate 6.2.6.148
Latest Silicondust beta drivers
In HDHR Setup:
Diabled SageTV Tuner Conifguration (for network encoders)
Enabled Lineup, Connect to the Silicondust lineup server
Set lineup to Digital Cable, scanned for channels using their setup
Stopped the HDHR Manager from running, removed from startup.
Created empty QAM_FRQ_CACHE.ENABLE text file in the Sage program folder
I understand I should be able to scan for QAM now.

Does not work. It still says "Network Encoder: true"

Any thoughts?

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by kevine

Yes, I read your previous post or I think it was yours. I tried that and it did not help. Installed new display drivers. I have an ATI x800 card. Rebooted. Still happening.


I also still cannot get BDA to work.
Latest Sage Release Canidate 6.2.6.148
Latest Silicondust beta drivers
In HDHR Setup:
Diabled SageTV Tuner Conifguration (for network encoders)
Enabled Lineup, Connect to the Silicondust lineup server
Set lineup to Digital Cable, scanned for channels using their setup
Stopped the HDHR Manager from running, removed from startup.
Created empty QAM_FRQ_CACHE.ENABLE text file in the Sage program folder
I understand I should be able to scan for QAM now.

Does not work. It still says "Network Encoder: true"

Any thoughts?

That technique (the stuff in red) is for tuner cards like the HVR 1600 and not the HDHR. As far as I know (or this is what I got to work) you still need a .remap file in the root of the C: drive. QAMMapper was a good utility for that but it's been replaced by the Channel Editor. My problem is the latest software version creates a lineup.xml file and not a remap file. You may need to create it yourself manually if you don't have one. Silicondust should have some instructions on their site.


Gerry

[carlgar]

Kevine what is the name of the tuners used by the HDHomerun shown by the recording schedule? When you go into source setup do you see two different names of tuners for the HDHomerun?

[kevine]

Originally Posted by carlgar

Kevine what is the name of the tuners used by the HDHomerun shown by the recording schedule? When you go into source setup do you see two different names of tuners for the HDHomerun?

No. There are only 1 set (1 for each port) using network encoder method. When I try BDA there are none.

I think Gerry maybe correct. I will try this and report back in a little while. Thank you both.

[carlgar]

Gerry, have you upgraded to the 8/15 drivers yet? Besure to note line 4 of the changelog below. The channel editor only uses the lineup.xml which it creates.
Change log from 20070726 to 20070815:

Windows: Install latest VLC release (0.8.6c) if VLC is not installed.
Windows: Automatically detect the number of tuners per device.
Windows: Add advanced option to view remap numbers in channel editor.
Windows: Deprecate use of hdhomerun_bda.remap file - use lineup.xml.
Windows: Fix crash in Live Messenger.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by carlgar

Gerry, have you upgraded to the 8/15 drivers yet? Besure to note line 4 of the changelog below. The channel editor only uses the lineup.xml which it creates.
Change log from 20070726 to 20070815:

Windows: Install latest VLC release (0.8.6c) if VLC is not installed.
Windows: Automatically detect the number of tuners per device.
Windows: Add advanced option to view remap numbers in channel editor.
Windows: Deprecate use of hdhomerun_bda.remap file - use lineup.xml.
Windows: Fix crash in Live Messenger.

Yes I did upgrade to the latest. Actually there is a 20070820beta1 software in one of the posts that is suppose to help with a SageTV buffer issue. Unfortunately it doesn't appear (at least for me) that SageTV is looking for the lineup.xml. It only works for me if I have the hdhomerun_bda.remap file in place.

Gerry

[thatdude90210]

I've been trying to get BDA drivers to work last couple of days, with similar results to Kevine. With 20070815 driver:

-did the channel scan, channel editor, checked on the channels I wanted (got a trigger list with 1-11 channels), pressed "Save" but don't see a lineup.xml (even searched for it) anywhere. No new files in C:\, Sage folder, nor the hdhomerun folder.

-No Hdhomerun manager running.

-Go to Sage tab in HDhomerun setup, disable both tuners.

-In sage properties file, remove every tuner in the ignore list. (yes, shutdown sage, and no service mode)

-Start Sagetv, removed Hdhomerun network encoders from video source. Go to add new source, only the 2 HDhomerun network encoders available.

- Did these many times, same results. Tried 20070820beta, same results except it locks on "disable" for the Sagetv tab so I couldn't even go back to using the network encoders. So went back to 0815 driver and I'm currently using the manager again.

Edit: I found the lineup.xml per a post in the silicondust forum:
http://www.silicondust.com/forum/vie...=4031&start=15

[carlgar]

When you run HDHomeRun Setup, does the system page show the Windows BDA as Installed?
When you go into the lineup->Channel Editor can you view your channels using the VLC?

[thatdude90210]

Originally Posted by carlgar

When you run HDHomeRun Setup, does the system page show the Windows BDA as Installed?
When you go into the lineup->Channel Editor can you view your channels using the VLC?

Yes to both, even did the "reinstall" in the support tab - tools section.

[carlgar]

This is probably my last suggestion, since I do not not for sure what causes the Silicondust tuner to appear as sources. You should check the sage properties file and insure that the mmc/encoders/XXXXX/100/0/encode_digital_tv_as_program_stream option is set true. I consider this a longshot but I did have it set false when I was using network encoders. Sage support had me set them to true when I had some problems with the BDA drivers when they first came out. I think there are two of these for each tuner.

[thatdude90210]

Thanks for the suggestions. No change, Sage just won't see the hdhomerun unless manager is loaded.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by thatdude90210

Thanks for the suggestions. No change, Sage just won't see the hdhomerun unless manager is loaded.

Did you install the Silicondust software in the SageTV directory? By default it wants to go in Program files. (If on Windows XP)


Gerry