HD100: What can it play (bluray rips,x264,subtitles)

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by lobosrul

Theres two types of seamless branching. Some BD's have multiple cuts of the film on them (ie Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind), and have the movie spread over many (50+ I think) m2ts files. I haven't seen any of those, and I think they're very rare.

Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay is like this. With eac3to it was sort of easy to sort it all out. They apparently had several versions of the movie and I had to figure out which one was the "real" one and tell eac3to to stitch those m2ts files together into a single mkv. Even though eac3to could tell me the order they needed to be in apparently there's no automatic way for the program to do the stitching. You have to manually add each file to the command-line.

[lobosrul]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay is like this. With eac3to it was sort of easy to sort it all out. They apparently had several versions of the movie and I had to figure out which one was the "real" one and tell eac3to to stitch those m2ts files together into a single mkv. Even though eac3to could tell me the order they needed to be in apparently there's no automatic way for the program to do the stitching. You have to manually add each file to the command-line.

Huh, so you got all the different m2ts put together using just eac3to? The guide I followed used TSSplitter to put them together, then you have to put it thru TSMuxer. Using eac3to alone would make things much easier.

Can I ask how its done exactly? And how did you know what order to put them in?

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by lobosrul

Huh, so you got all the different m2ts put together using just eac3to? The guide I followed used TSSplitter to put them together, then you have to put it thru TSMuxer. Using eac3to alone would make things much easier.

Can I ask how its done exactly? And how did you know what order to put them in?

When you run eac3to in the stream folder without any command-line options it scans everything. It will list each of the different videos available with the pertaining data next to it. In the case of H&K2 it came up with something like this:

10) 00100.mpls, 1:47:42
[3+4+7+8+10+11+12+13+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32].m2ts

Which really confused me at first until I realized that was the order the files were supposed to be in. So I typed in each m2ts file into the command line in that order with a "+" in between each one.

[tmiranda]

How do you know that is the correct playlist?

Disney Cars is also seamlessly branching. It took me a while to figure out the correct playlist since there were many possibilities.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

How do you know that is the correct playlist?

Disney Cars is also seamlessly branching. It took me a while to figure out the correct playlist since there were many possibilities.

I played the movie in PowerDVD and noted the length of the movie. Then chose the one that matched.

[korben_dallas]

Originally Posted by lobosrul

The HD-100 can't handle VC-1. So if the BD disc your converting contains VC-1 you will have to re-encode it.

http://www.sagetv.com/hd_extender.html

Video format supported: MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4, H.264 up to 1080p, AVI, VOB, WMV9/VC-1 up to 1080p

[lobosrul]

korben, it didn't actually work until the beta firmware release on 7/31.

[korben_dallas]

Originally Posted by lobosrul

korben, it didn't actually work until the beta firmware release on 7/31.

Ah that's good to know it is now a working option, because VC-1 is as good as H.264 for quality at same bitrate and VC-1 is less cpu-intensive to decode, hence the reason why more BD titles are using VC-1 and it'll be easier on people's PC's to stream than H.264.

[stanger89]

Codec has absolutely no impact on how "easy" it is to stream, the HD100 does all the decoding, the PC doesn't care if it's VC1 or H.264.

And from what I've seen, most BDs are using H.264, only a very few use VC-1 (actually not sure I've personally seen a VC-1 BD).

[korben_dallas]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Codec has absolutely no impact on how "easy" it is to stream, the HD100 does all the decoding, the PC doesn't care if it's VC1 or H.264.

I was thinking of streaming cross-the-wire overall to any type of network client, not specifically to the HD Extender, but point taken.

Originally Posted by stanger89

And from what I've seen, most BDs are using H.264, only a very few use VC-1 (actually not sure I've personally seen a VC-1 BD).

Tons: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search...by=releasedate

[johnnytyler]

One thing to keep in mind is that if the HD-extender can support multi-channel FLAC (lossless) then the HD audiostreams can be remuxed into multi-channel flac within MKV and you can get the highest quality of both audio and video. However I'm not sure if Sage software or the extender supports multichannel FLAC??

Does anybody know?? and if not how difficult would it be to implement it within sage and would the extender be able to decode it via hardware??

[Taddeusz]

I don't think it's a matter of the support but whether or not you'd get 5.1 audio coming out of the HD100. As it stands now if you have 5.1 channel AAC the HD100 will downmix it to stereo PCM. I could be wrong but it appears, at least at the software level, that the HD100 is not capable of outputting multi-channel PCM.

[lobosrul]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Codec has absolutely no impact on how "easy" it is to stream, the HD100 does all the decoding, the PC doesn't care if it's VC1 or H.264.

And from what I've seen, most BDs are using H.264, only a very few use VC-1 (actually not sure I've personally seen a VC-1 BD).

I've seen quite a few actually. It seems like there were quite a bunch the last couple of months, probably because they're a direct port from the HD-DVD.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search...&action=search

263 VC-1 according to that, compared to 352 AVC, and 190 MPEG-2.

EDIT: Ooops, didn't see your response korben.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by korben_dallas

I was thinking of streaming cross-the-wire overall to any type of network client, not specifically to the HD Extender, but point taken.

Well the same is true of anything, at the wire level, codec makes little to no difference, other than bitrate, and AVC is the best for that. It's only at decode that codec makes a difference and with the HD100's full hardware decode and the new video cards with full hardware offload, it doesn't make a difference there either.

Tons: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search...by=releasedate

28.10% VC1
27.50% MPEG-2
44.39% AVC

And the vast, vast majority of those are from HD DVD Studios (mostly Warner) who were (probably) using the same encodes in both formats. HD DVD is where 90% of releases were VC1.
http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

I don't think it's a matter of the support but whether or not you'd get 5.1 audio coming out of the HD100. As it stands now if you have 5.1 channel AAC the HD100 will downmix it to stereo PCM. I could be wrong but it appears, at least at the software level, that the HD100 is not capable of outputting multi-channel PCM.

Well they list new multichannel PCM formats as supported in the latest beta, I'm curious as to what that means output wise.