I would pay $30 for Placeshift for iPhone/iPad

[sic0048]

Fonceur already created an Android app. It is only a matter of time before Android wins over most of the iPhone users. The phones are getting better and the ability to choose your provider is huge!

Why not just make the jump to Android now and save yourself all the agony....

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by sic0048

Fonceur already created an Android app. It is only a matter of time before Android wins over most of the iPhone users. The phones are getting better and the ability to choose your provider is huge!

Why not just make the jump to Android now and save yourself all the agony....

Sorry don't buy android taking over. I have tried several android based phones and while they do have their pluses the app store is full of crap and not very clear. Apple will continue to win out because of ease of use that is what the majority of customers want and like it or not iPhone is easy. Android still holds a very small share of smartphones compared to apple. With iPhone selling so many iPhone 4 phones that gap is just getting larger. I like android and think it has potiental it just isn't there yet. Also so so many people have or do use iPods and that helps the iPhone sells as well.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Sorry don't buy android taking over. I have tried several android based phones and while they do have their pluses the app store is full of crap and not very clear. Apple will continue to win out because of ease of use that is what the majority of customers want and like it or not iPhone is easy. Android still holds a very small share of smartphones compared to apple. With iPhone selling so many iPhone 4 phones that gap is just getting larger. I like android and think it has potiental it just isn't there yet. Also so so many people have or do use iPods and that helps the iPhone sells as well.

True, android may not 'take over', but it is still probably a better market to go after than the iphone market. Aside from the 'limitations' artificially imposed on the hardware associated with limited carrier support, there's also the limitations imposed on developers. Then there's the fact you pointed out: the majority you talk about that want 'ease of use' are mostly people who would have no interest in sagetv, and are most likely using provider dvr's. I think the number of 'sage-likely' users using android is greater than those using i-something.

All that.. PLUS i like my real multitasking.. it's the best OS feature to come out of the 80s... wish apple could figure it out in 2010...

[Fonceur]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

All that.. PLUS i like my real multitasking.. it's the best OS feature to come out of the 80s... wish apple could figure it out in 2010...

Well, they sorta have with iOS 4, no?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Fonceur

Well, they sorta have with iOS 4, no?

I didn't really want to get into it... Was mostly just a joke, but no, they don't really have multitasking.. they have some limited background processing, but the app has to be designed for it. There are also serious limitations to what it can do int he background. I've just come to assume Apple == Limitations, and switched to android, myself...

Oh yeah, they also limit to just the latest 2 generations (4, and 3GS), because of 'hardware limitations' on the older 3G model.. even though it works just fine on jailbroken 3G phones... I think the only way apple sells so many phones is because they artificially obsolete the previous models, either by intentionally holding back features, or by simply not allowing old models to upgrade software features.

[sic0048]

I don't have either a Android or Apple phone - so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I think we'll see the popularity of Android to continue to rise. You have to remember that the iPhone has a huge time advantage on their side. But Android is already adding 160,000 new phones every day. Obviously the iPhone4 sold a ton of phones the first weekend it was released, but it won't keep up that volume for very long. Mean while, Android phones being available on every major network means a lot more sales potential too.

To dismiss the power of Android is similar to how people dismissed the initial iPhone release. It is a denial that will come back a bit Apple (and Apple fans) in the rear.

I read somewhere that Android was already outselling the iPhone - but that might have been prior to the iPhone4 release. Steve Jobs tried to spin it saying that the total iPhone and iPad sales were still larger than Android equiped devices (phones and tablets) which is true. But looking at phones only, Android is competing (and perhaps beating) the iPhone.

Once there are a couple nice Android tablets released (not the cheap Chinese stuff that has been released to date), the iPad advantage will end too.

[PLUCKYHD]

We will have to agree to disagree. iPad again comes down to ease and avialibilty of apps. Even tech sites are starting to call for android to step up their app store and the number and quality of app. I think in this case it also cones down to developers most developers where go where they are going to make the money and right now that is apple. The money isn't there for developers of adroid yet. Like I said I am not ruling adroid out but it has a log way to come before it becomes highly wanted.

What is funny is apple gets all the press good or bad. I mean te highly touted Evo has a software update that bricked the phones (fixed now) but it hardly got any press. Can you image if apple bricked all the iPhones there would be a huge outroar.

[sic0048]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

We will have to agree to disagree. iPad again comes down to ease and avialibilty of apps. Even tech sites are starting to call for android to step up their app store and the number and quality of app. I think in this case it also cones down to developers most developers where go where they are going to make the money and right now that is apple. The money isn't there for developers of adroid yet. Like I said I am not ruling adroid out but it has a log way to come before it becomes highly wanted.

I would agree that the Android app store has a long way to go. But again, keep in mind that Apple has years head start. As the sales continue to grow and approach iPhone numbers, then it will become more attractive to developers.

All I am trying to say is that Android is for real. It is gaining speed and popularity. Is it able to compete toe to toe to Apple? Perhaps not yet, but it is getting closer with each high end phone released. Apple seems to have lost some of its luster and Android is gaining ground.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by sic0048

I would agree that the Android app store has a long way to go. But again, keep in mind that Apple has years head start. As the sales continue to grow and approach iPhone numbers, then it will become more attractive to developers.

All I am trying to say is that Android is for real. It is gaining speed and popularity. Is it able to compete toe to toe to Apple? Perhaps not yet, but it is getting closer with each high end phone released. Apple seems to have lost some of its luster and Android is gaining ground.

I agree Android is gaining ground not doubt about that

Apple lust it's luster though giving they sold 1.7 million iphones in 3 days I wouldn't call that losing it's luster. The press has been hard on them some of it fair some of it going a bit to far. (the fake job's email). I will agree apple's response seems to be BS but will have to see what happens. I and all my employees get better reception on the iphone 4 than we ever have on previouse version so I think some of it is overblown.

The droid X looks nice. I wish Droid would just lock down the phone makers a bit more so you got a more universal experience across all makers but that is my opinion And don't think droid can't play god like apple. They have a remote shutdown capabilites they have used once. Where not only can they take an app of the app store they can unistall if from every phone that has it if that isn't an envasion of privacy I don't know what it.

[Fuzzy]

well, they have removed apps from the market, and can choose to have those apps removed from the phones through the update process, however, that does not PREVENT people from running those apps. If you choose to enable non-market apps (which, unlike apple, is possible without 'jailbreaking/rooting' your phone), then you can install/run any app you choose - even malicious ones, if that's your thing. It's a far cry different from apple's stance of "you have to void your warranty to run these 'questionable' programs that we think might give our product a bad image".

[PLUCKYHD]

I think that I part of it but it also comes down to reliability. They don't want apps out there crashing their phones left and right because they know they will get the heat not the developer for problems and I can understand that part. Do they take it to far sometimes absolutely but I know first hand allot of developers that get denied don't follow their rules and API and that is thier fault for trying. But with HTML 5 support it does open things up quite a bit for apple developers.

Not going to get into the whole flash debacle but supporting users like I have to I can understand it to some extent. Flash has way toany security flaws and way to many people get virus through them.

[Fuzzy]

well, technically, HTML5 opens things up for everyone... not just apple developers...

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

well, technically, HTML5 opens things up for everyone... not just apple developers...

Yes I was just referring to way for iphones to get stuff that apple won't let them Of course some are saying html 5 is not good and some love it so who knows what will win out in the end.

[Fuzzy]

well, HTML5, like any HTML from the past, is only as good as the designer. Used right, HTML5 will work fine.. however, if it is used as 'well' as most HTML3/4 pages, it'll just be a different flavor of crap...

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

well, HTML5, like any HTML from the past, is only as good as the designer. Used right, HTML5 will work fine.. however, if it is used as 'well' as most HTML3/4 pages, it'll just be a different flavor of crap...

[heffneil]

Android doesn't really have a decent app store. Also there isn't a decent android tablet.

I just got home from a weekend vacation for the holiday and installed airvideo on my server. I think at this point I don't care if sage ever supports the iPad. It doesna great job presenting my library. Sure I can't watch live tv or comskip recordings but that's a small price to pay.

[flavius]

Yes, Airport works just fine.

I would not pay $30.-

[Evil_Attorney]

Heffneil, how were you able to get air video working? All my recordings are from the hdpvr and my ipone and iPad couldn't seem to play anything for more than a few seconds on the on-the-fly conversion (except at incredibly low bit rates. I tried setting up the air video server on a fast computer, but still had the same problem. I also tried having sage convert to any of the Apple format presets but the airvideo server seemed to have problems reading some of the files.

[Brent]

Air video is decent, but not great. I would still prefer an official Sagetv mobile app personally.

[Suntan]

(Disclaimer, I don’t have an iphone so I really haven’t kept close tabs on these stories of Apple banning competitive programs, etc.)

Would apple even allow a sage placeshifter app? After all, a lot of the functions of SageTV are frowned upon by the content industry overall (skipping commercials, watching content where we want to not where the content providers wants us to, etc.) and Apple would appear to have a track record of keeping the content providers (mostly) happy.

In addition, don’t they try and sell video similar to how they sell music on itunes? So something like a Sage Placeshifter app would seem to be counter to their own apps, wouldn’t it?

Would Apple allow a Placeshifter app on their phone, even if one was available?

Don’t know if I would pay $30 for a mobile Placeshifter for my phone (Palm Pre) but I would certainly be inclined to evaluate the prospect if one where made available for evaluation.

-Suntan