anyone experiences issues with VMR9 ?

[mls]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

but yes my CPU does run 533 FSB

I would think then that it can't fully utilize the speed of your RAM kinda like the prob with my Celeron machine.

[kny3twalker]

yeah that looks really really close to what I see

and sorry if I did not mention it is your thoughts about the issue being frame order

and what can be done about it ?
I did email Frey
but why have we not heard anything from the MCE people or just more about this bug, if it is a driver or decoder issue

I think Frey should be able to fix this but maybe not

running new drivers from nvidia 66.93

[justme]

I didn't vote since it seems you are actually after people who are using the VGA/DVI output of their videocard, but...

I'm almost a twin of mls. I don't see any noticable issues with VMR9. But I'm using the Svideo(800x600) out of my GeForce 4 4600 card. The specs of the system outing to the TV is:
P4C800-E deluxe MB
P4 2.8 CPU
1 GB(4 265MB sticks) of 3200 SDram(running in dual channel mode)
Using the 2.55 Nvidia video decoder.

My system hooked up to my LCD is too under power to run SageTV(or many apps) fullscreen(1280x1024) using VMR9, so I don't know how fair it is too try and compare it's preformance to the other system. I usually run Sage in a window at about 800x600 on this system. I'm one of those poor people who have yet to get a HDTV. Give my about 6 more months. I'm actually hoping my current 52 inch TV dies.

If I left out anything you think could help you, let me know. I'd love to see you guys get any issues resolved.

[mls]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Well I think I was the one who suggested that. It would be nice if I could actually see what you're seeing, and if it's what I'm thinking of...

Oh! I found a picture (animated GIF actually) of what I'm thinking of here:

That is exactly what I was getting after XP's SP2 with hardware acceleration on. I don't know if it is really just a deinterlacing problem though because it also seemed to relate to 3:2 pulldown.

I noticed that normally if I hit the pause button a few times I'd see 3 clean frames, then 2 blurred, then 3 clean, then 2 blurred etc. That would be normal for a tv signal of a movie with 3:2 pulldown.

After SP2 with hardware accel on, doing the same stepping with the pause botton would step a few frames forward, then jump back, and then forward again.

But, remember this was with nvDVD 2.55 on my end.

Whatever the cause, it was displaying frames in some wrong order. So, at least you are partially (if not totally) correct with that idea.

[kny3twalker]

I would think then that it can't fully utilize the speed of your RAM kinda like the prob with my Celeron machine.

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-84-1.htm

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/1318/

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020506/p4b-01.html

I believe my Ram runs at 800Mhz

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

and sorry if I did not mention it is your thoughts about the issue being frame order

No prob, that wasn't why I mentioned it, it was more for the benefit of everyone else.

and what can be done about it ?
I did email Frey
I figured why have we not heard anything from the MCE people or just more about this bug if it is a driver or decoder issue

It could very well be an OS issue, as mls has mentioned, I noticed something similar (but worse) with my 9500 after plopping SP2 on. And remember MCE is not the same as XP SP2, there are additional updates/fixes with that OS.

I think Frey should be able to fix this but maybe not

Maybe, but Sage doesn't do much besides use Dshow to play the file, and Dshow relies on the decoders/drivers/OS.

[ToxMox]

I did have SP2 on my test box that had the problem. Only have SP1 on the boxes that work fine.

[ukmgranger]

For me I get a frame drop about every 10-20 seconds using VMR9. I have all the latest codecs and SP2 installed. I think at some point soon I will re-install my system using just SP1.

Oh - and I also get the stutters after I Rew/FFwd.

For me VPP just doesn't cut it. It looks far too blurry.

VMR9 with the latest drivers on my NVIDIA 6800GT looks the dogs proverbials. I just wish it was stable. I can't bare any of the other decoders as they just don't have the picture quality so I just have to put up with frame drops and stutters.

[kny3twalker]

make sure to update those drivers for the 6800
66.93 just came out and there are fixes releted to the nvidia decoders and nvidia video cards

and just to update
just tested on my client computer and same deal now
have not been using the client much and sp2 did not get installed until windows update could download 266 MB so to get to the point

I have the same issue with my other computer as well

this is definitely a SP2 issue
but we should actually call it a Directx9 C issue

and SageTV will be the only to fix this

my client runs a FX 5200 via svideo

nvidia post processor again is the only one that works

I did have SP2 on my test box that had the problem. Only have SP1 on the boxes that work fine.

Well then do not bump the poll then
claim you have had the issue but now know a workaround in the post
I gave Frey a link when I emailed them
I want them to see this is an issue

[ukmgranger]

I have the new NVIDIA drivers (66.93) also. They have not made a blind bit of difference to me!

[ToxMox]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

Well then do not bump the poll then
claim you have had the issue but now know a workaround in the post
I gave Frey a link when I emailed them
I want them to see this is an issue

What does this mean? I don't know a workaround. I never got it to work on the other hardware. I never thought to not use SP2 on that box. I answered the poll honestly. I am currently runnning VMR9 on two different machines with no issues at all so that is why I answered it that way. The choice was "I have no issues at all with VMR9" which is my case. Doesn't say "I have had no issues at all with VMR9"

[mlbdude]

Looks like the BTV guys are seeing this too.

http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18402

Maybe this is a new problem with VMR9 to add to the list.

[ToxMox]

Looks like pretty much everybody in that thread is running a Geforce card of some sort. Seems to be the common denominator.

[kny3twalker]

the new drivers are forceware and denominator
and I had this issue with my catalyst drivers as well
but gave up on the idea of getting smooth VMR9 playback with my 9600XT

and ToxMox that was just to give you a hard time since you had not installed SP2 and were not having the problem

and just guessing but mlbdude you are a member over there
have you considered posts a reply with our troubles since this is universal

(doubtful but......)could have microsoft done this in an attempt to kill its competition for MCE?

[kny3twalker]

Well Frey replied
but apparently are not sure what to do

From George
I just talked with the developer about this. Unfortunately we don't have a
current solution for this right now, but it is something that will get
looked at. If there is something we can do to fix it, then it will get
fixed.

I wonder if people running the MCE OS have this issue?

since it has different patches

[Blue]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

WOW
I guess no one uses VMR9
I should have figured this was pointless and will never be resolved
and for who ever said I have no problems at all
please identify yourself
left a reply something
give system specs or whatever you did to get rid of this issue

I am just tired of all the people that claim no issues with VMR9
whether tearing or whatever
and seems like such BS

Okay, I've tried to reproduce the problem described by using the "skip fwd" and "skip bkwd" commands in Sage, but to no avail. I also do not have issues with stutter or tearing. Here is my setup info...

Hardware specs
P4 2.8E
2x256 MB RAM
Sapphire Ultimate Edition 9600XT
PVR-250
Samsung HLN437 DLP HDTV via DVI (720p)

Sage settings
Video Renderer: VMR9
MPEG2 Video Decoder: Sonic Cinemaster
DXVA Mode: Default
DXVA Deinterlacing: Default
Audio Renderer: Default Directsound Device
MPEG2 Audio Decoder: MPEG Audio Decoder
Recording quality: Great - 2 GB per hr
Display Video on Menus: If Active
Video Menu Style: Background

Sonic CinePlayer settings
Video Hardware Acceleration enabled
VMR enabled

Also, I'm running Windows XP SP1.

Let me know if you would like additional info..

[mls]

I'm guessing those that are having problems with VMR9 are running excessively high bit rates for recording quality and/or very high resolutions for display. Both of those could easily cause over-running interrupts and produce various stutter/tearing effects simply because all the data can not be completely processed before the routines have to move on to the next ones.

[ToxMox]

I was running at 640x480 at best 2gb/hr quality on s-video out when I was having VMR9 problems on my other box. The video would play back fine then after some fast forwarding or rewinding it would get weird and I'd have to do more FFs and RWs to make it normal again. Nothing excessive.

[mls]

Well, if it's not the recording quality and/or resolution, then there's something else different between those that do and those that don't have a problem with VMR9. Assuming all are running reasonably fast computers, then maybe it narrows down to different video cards and drivers?

[pengdahl]

I have this same problem, but my system uses an ATI Radeon 9700.

I also saw it with version 2.0 and 2.1.

It happens mostly with the Sonic decoders for me.
The NVidia decoders work fine.

I don't know if it's limited to the VMR or Overlay.

For me, it first happened when I was using Sonic decoders and Sage 2.0 - after I updated to XP Service Pack 2. I did a system restore back to Service Pack 1, and the problem went away. I was not previously using DirectX 9.0c, so my guess is that the installation of the new DirectX version is probably the culprit, since it's included in Service Pack 2.