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Old 12-06-2005, 05:35 PM
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Exclamation Sage v4: CC and v3 Favorites/Settings

I'm moving from my old HTPC to a new one. The old one was running Sage v3. The new one is running Sage v4. It's a brand new install, so everything is fresh. I followed the FAQs but I'm still having trouble:

1) I copied Sage.properties and wiz.bin to the new directory (c:\program files\sagetv) -- no dice. My favorites are gone, and my existing saved recordings are not showing up. The computer name is the same; the directory structure is the same. What am I doing wrong?

2) Is Closed Captioning still not built into v4? Since I moved the Sage.properties file, which has the cc option enabled, shouldn't it kick in? Or do I still have to install those other overlay executables to make this work?
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Old 12-06-2005, 05:46 PM
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Closed Captioning still not built into v4? Since I moved the Sage.properties file, which has the cc option enabled, shouldn't it kick in? Or do I still have to install those other overlay executables to make this work?
You probably need to change the MPEG decoder to something besides the SageTV MPEG decoder since it doesn't support them. However, if the captions are made available by the decoder then Sage does support them.

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Old 12-06-2005, 08:09 PM
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1) I copied Sage.properties and wiz.bin to the new directory (c:\program files\sagetv) -- no dice. My favorites are gone, and my existing saved recordings are not showing up. The computer name is the same; the directory structure is the same. What am I doing wrong?
Dump your sage.properties and its autobackup file, then restart SageTV to reconfigure. The properties file is most likely pointing to a different SageTV install directory, so it isn't even using the wiz.bin in the same directory. Don't use the old properties file if SageTV is installed on a new PC or a new directory.

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Old 12-06-2005, 09:22 PM
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Thanks, Opus. That was it exactly -- so stupid of me. I noticed that Frey Technologies is no longer the working directory, and saw that it generated it when I put the old properties file in there. So I just copied the wiz.bin file and now all my favorites and my old shows are there.

I'm still having trouble with CC. I've tried the Cyberlink Video/SP Decoder and ffdshow, but I still don't get the CC option when I right-click during playback. I'm using Overlay for Video Renderer and have tried other options but no luck. The same property that used to exist in v3 doesn't exist anymore (something like cc_enable)...
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I don't use CC, so the only thing I used to know about it is what is in Appendix K in the SageTV manual -- p. 244 for v4.

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Old 12-07-2005, 06:00 PM
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Exclamation Closed Captioning on Sage v4

I don't know what else to do...I've tried everything!

1) Added the cc true command to Sage.properties, making sure I did it while both the client and the service were stopped.
2) Tried default, overlay, VMR9.
3) Tried Sage MPEG, Cyberlink MPEG, Intervideo MPEG, ffdshow MPEG.

In none of these combinations can I get the CC option to come on when I right-click over Live TV or a recorded show.

Can some kind soul please post what settings he/she is using to get CC to work in Sage v4? FYI, I had it working just fine in v3. I'm running WinXP + WinTV-PVR250MCE.

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Old 12-08-2005, 11:19 AM
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I don't know what else to do...I've tried everything!

1) Added the cc true command to Sage.properties, making sure I did it while both the client and the service were stopped.
2) Tried default, overlay, VMR9.
3) Tried Sage MPEG, Cyberlink MPEG, Intervideo MPEG, ffdshow MPEG.

In none of these combinations can I get the CC option to come on when I right-click over Live TV or a recorded show.

Can some kind soul please post what settings he/she is using to get CC to work in Sage v4? FYI, I had it working just fine in v3. I'm running WinXP + WinTV-PVR250MCE.
CC quit working for me in v4 as well; and like you, I have been unable to get it working again no matter what I tried. I made no other changes -- just updated SageTV using the same configuration files and mpeg decoder (nVidia). Tuners are PVR-250's. I've also confirmed that all settings mentioned in Appendix K (pg. 244) of the v4 User's Guide are correct.
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Old 12-08-2005, 04:27 PM
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Thanks, jgsouthard. Can anyone confirm they have closed-captioning working on v4? Anyone? Bueller? If there's no solution to this, I'll have to revert back to v3, which I really don't want to do...
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Old 12-08-2005, 06:55 PM
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I was told that what was written in the manual should still work in v4. See if this registry change makes any difference:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\\Frey Technologies\\SageTV\\DirectX9\YUVMixing=0

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Old 12-08-2005, 10:27 PM
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No difference -- still no good. What I'm going to try is to use the old sage.properties file from v3, but with the directories updated so it uses the same wiz.bin file. I'll post how that turns out...
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:29 PM
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ditto on the non-working CC in V.4

I've followed the appendix instructions, too, and it's still a no-go for CC support in v.4. I'm using "default" decoders - NVIDIA and I've done the whole registry thing where you change the fourth number from whatever it is to something like "01" or "00" for the recording quality setting you're using. Nope - doens't work.
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:35 PM
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And my foray into using a doctored v3 sage.properties didn't work, either.

Anybody, anybody at all, have CC working on v4?
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:06 AM
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I'm still running v3 but has anybody verified that the recorded shows have the captions recorded? Has anyone run mpg2srt on a recording, just to check?

Upgrading may have changed your recording profile and it has to be a DVD type stream. If it isn't then the captions won't be there to display.

Just an idea.

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Old 12-09-2005, 09:34 AM
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I followed the instructions on page 244 of the v4 manual to a T, so I'm using DVD quality recording. Doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:57 AM
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Has anyone run mpg2srt on a recording, just to check?
Confirmed. I just ran it and it created two files, an SRT and a SAMI, and they both contain caption data. So it's just that Sage v4, for whatever reason, is unable to output the CC option for view.
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Old 12-09-2005, 10:02 AM
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So it's just that Sage v4, for whatever reason, is unable to output the CC option for view.
Well... that's just a deal breaker for me. We use captions way too much to be able to lose them.

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Old 12-09-2005, 10:14 AM
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So do we. If the solution to this problem is waiting for the next update, then I'll have to revert back to v3.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:43 PM
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One thing strange, I just bought and installed ShowAnalyzer. Now when I playback a recording, I DO get the "Closed Captioning: Disabled/Enabled" when I hit my "yellow" button on my remote and the pop-up menu appears. But when I try to enable CC, an on-screen message says something like "invalid closed caption" or something like that. So?
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Old 12-24-2005, 04:33 PM
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Folks, I just wanted to update the thread with good news. Thanks to Opus, I have v4 running with CC. Check out this thread for the info:

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...t=14833&page=2
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Old 01-02-2006, 07:11 AM
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Talking

It's a New Years miracle! Since the upgrade to 4 (from 2.2.8) my CC was gone.
Last night I was fooling around with some of the video settings and WOOT !

Switching the video from Overlay to VMR9 brought my Closed Captions back

Now I just have to tweak the picture to make it look as good as my overlay was.
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