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You could check your signal strength with and without the splitter. Try it just on the new fusion then just on the old, see if the stuttering is related to one card or the other, or the signal strength. Of course Im sure you probably already have 64k cluster sizes and defrag regularly, that can contribute if not. The stuttering I have seen has always been related to just video. When I have had poor signal strenght its more of a complete drop out, or bad pixelation. Usually the audio is ok though. |
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Well, it's hard to say. I probably shouldn't have added to the confusion of adding another HD card, but I really needed to have it installed before the fall season starts (got two 500GB drives on the way too!)
Well, the "original" problem was stuttering only in video, however it was really bad. This "current" stuttering is both audio/video, but only for like half second spurts. Other than that it is fine. You usually just miss half of a word or something, once in a while (still annoying). I changed my decoder to automatic, and set the MPEG2 decoders to default in Sage, and so far, haven't seen the really bad stuttering I used to have, well, I think. Won't know for sure until tomorrow, when So you think you can Dance records. I think the new problem is related to signal strength. I used to have 100% on Fox, now I'm dropping down sometimes to ~85%, and even had 3 out of 50 low signal warnings. I'm going to Radio Shack tomorrow to get an inline amplifier (they make one that has a "power injector," so that you can install the actual amplifier at the antenna, but plug in your power source near the TV (it sends the DC up the coax, to the amplifier (which of course, strips the DC before it makes it to the antenna), and the inverter keeps the DC from hitting the tuner cards)). Wow, 2 embedded () in that sentence...if you can call it that. Hopefully, with the amplifier, that will fix "all" my problems. We'll see. The funny thing is, that Letterman seems to come in crystal clear, no stuttering at all...but that is a different channel, and it's late at night (maybe heat has something to do with receiving the signal)...
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Also try running sage in a window. Shrink the window size down really small, if the stuttering clears up, then its likely your video card. If it doesn't then the problem is likely in the recording itself, I.e. your signal quality was low when you recorded it. If its the graphics card, then read through my earlier post about increasing the graphics core speed. Thats what ultimately fixed my problem. |
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Good points. I picked up the Radio Shack 15-1170 at lunch today, although a RS salesman was reluctant to sell it, instead of another, because he said so many people end up returning it. I'm banking on the fact that it's slightly more complicated to setup than your standard coax amplifier...but we'll see. I plan on measuring signal strength of several channels before and after the addition of the amplifier.
After that, if I still have video problems, I'll look more towards the video card. Considering these problems also involve sound problems, I am leaning away from the video card, not to mention that I never had audio problems until splitting the OTA feed from the antenna, and installing the second Fusion card.
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Well, no one should buy that worthless piece of junk. After hooking everything up correctly (yes, I actually read the instructions), I got ZERO improvement in my signal. Basically, I had the same dB reading as I did without the amplifier.
It's going back tomorrow, and I'll get the other one that was recommended. Guess those RS guys seem to know what they are talking about.
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Okay. I put a new FusionHDTV 5 Lite in my system a couple weeks ago, and since then, not sure if it was related or not, but am now getting very frequent stuttering. (I should point out, that I've removed the splitter, and am using only the original card, so the cable loss due to splitting is now back to normal.)
The stuttering lasts about 0.25 to 0.5 seconds, is in both sound and video, and happens frequently (several times a minute). I've tried 3 versions of Java, which did not make a difference at all. I've tried 2 versions of the DViCO FusionHDTV drivers, and neither made a difference. The problem does appear to be with recording the file, because the stuttering exists if I play the file in WMP, and if I rewind, the stutter is in the same place. Nothing is running in the background to cause an excessive CPU performance issue. Does anyone have any ideas to try? Maybe just removing the second card, and seeing if that fixes the issue?
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So you have 2 fusions now? I only have one DVICO and it is the usb2.0 version. (don't know if that matters) I get symptoms like that with degraded signal quality. I suppose it could also have to do with your disk access speed. I'm not sure of your hardware configuration but if both your fusions are trying to write to disk at the same time you could be over running your pci bandwidth or write speed or something.
Like I said above, if it is still choppy when playing in a small window, its probably a problem with your recording. Either the signal quality recorded or a hardware limitation or fault. |
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GeoGecko,
I looked at your HTPC build on your website. It looks like your setup is more modern than mine so I doubt its a bandwidth issue. Check your disk fragmentation, and make sure you have the latest chipset drivers etc. for your motherboard. I might leave the new card in and take out the old one and see if it is the new hardware or a complication of having two. Also switch the antenna's. Give the new card the same setup your old card had,. I.e. no splitters in the line. That should help you narrow down where the problem may be. Who knows, moving the tuner to a different card slot might help. |
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Yeah, I was thinking the card slot thing could be an issue, problem is, I'm fresh out of PCI slots now!
I could try switching the PVR-500 with one of the Fusion cards, and see if that makes a difference. I'm also going to pull out the new card, and at least see if I can get the same performance I used to have until the upgrade. Those are all good suggestions. I'll have to give them a shot tonight or tomorrow. I tried another pre-amp from channel master, but that did not help my results, so I also have a distribution amplifier (not really a distribution amplifier, since it only had one output, but I guess it's different from a pre-amp, in where it does the amplification). So, we'll see if that does anything. The only strange thing, is that it doesn't seem to depend on which channel it's on. So that's why I'm thinking it's a hardware issue, possibly. The drive that is being used to record on right now, hardly has anything on it (like 5% full). And I think you're right, it's not a BW issue, because that was the only tuner recording at the time (not both of them). Hmm...I wonder though. I am now setup with a mass storage case, where the drives are located in another case, with a 2 meter multi-lane cable between them. I probably should have done some hard drive bandwidth tests before putting the drives in the other case, and then afterwards, to see if the length of the SATA path compromises the BW any... Could be a possibility. Thanks for the suggestions. Looks like another long night, tonight! HTPCers never sleep, do they?
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Well, it does not appear to be a problem with having two cards in the system. Having just what I had before still causes problems.
I just noticed today, that it appears to be worse on some channels, and almost non-existant on other channels. Maybe it could just be a broadcast problem or reception problem? Seems strange, as nothing as far as my antenna and cabling has changed (removed the pre-amp that I tried). I'm not sure what to do now. Maybe when my distribution amp gets here, that may help. I know that the channel with the most problems, has the lower dB signal of the others...
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Pentium 2.8 HT ABIT IC-MAX3 875 Chipset Windows XP Pro SP2 Java 1.4.2_12 1.5 GB RAM 2 300GB HDs- IDE Non Raid 64K clusters Geforce 6600GT - 91.31 06/23/2006 --Using VMR9 in FSE --Output set to 1920*1080i over component to Pioneer 710HD --Overscan correction done with SageTV 2 PVR-500 - 2.0.43.24073 3/14/2006 1 DVICO FusionHDTV 5 Lite ---BDA Receiver 5.1.12.1 5/24/2003 ---BDA Tuner 4.0.102.0 2/13/2004 1 DVICO FusionHDTV 5 Gold RT ---BDA Receiver 5.1.12.1 5/24/2003 ---BDA Tuner 4.0.102.0 2/13/2004 2 Sage MVP (Both units: Model 86001 Revision D3A Lot 4303) 1 Placeshifter License Sage 5.0.4 Nvidia Platinum Decoder for video - 1.02-223 06/28/2006 Sonic DVD Decoder for audio - 2.3.1 (I found the Sonic decoder does a better job at audio leveling for the HD and SD channels.) hih B Last edited by bcjenkins; 08-12-2006 at 11:16 AM. |
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What do you guys normally see as far as signal strengths? Here is my list. ![]() Quote:
I have the same driver versions, etc. The only major thing, is that I'm using Java 1.5.0_8. I think I'm using some plugins that require Java 1.5...but, if it fixed my video, I might be willing to give them up.
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What did you use to generate the scan numbers? I only installed the drivers for the cards, none of the tools.
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I had some issues recording on my machine until I bumped the server up to 2g memory. Are you by any chance using any sort of comskip on the machine you record on? That also caused some issues until I got the dual Xeon 2.8, now everything runs pretty well perfect
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So you think I would need more than 1GB of RAM to fix the issue? I'm just surprised, because this all of a sudden started. Unless the newer versions of sage are becoming memory hogs.
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Channel Scan
Well.. I installed the software, copied percentages, but not signal level. Anyways, I noticed my percents are much higher. Do you have a decent antenna? What is your distance?
FWIW I hired a company to come out and do my install because I didn't want to walk around on my 3+ story house (walk out basement) I had already uninstalled the software (I like to keep system clean) ![]() Here's the output from a winmsd export for IRQ sharing, etc. Fusion cards are in slots 3 and 6 on my MB Code:
System Information report written at: 08/13/06 23:27:38 System Name: MEDIACENTER [Hardware Resources] [Conflicts/Sharing] Resource Device I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller IRQ 20 FusionHDTV, WDM Video Capture IRQ 20 FusionHDTV, BDA Receiver(ATSC-A) I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT Memory Address 0xD8000000-0xDFFFFFFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge Memory Address 0xD8000000-0xDFFFFFFF Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) Memory Address 0xE8000000-0xEAFFFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 Memory Address 0xE8000000-0xEAFFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT IRQ 23 Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24DD IRQ 23 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 2) IRQ 23 FusionHDTV 88x, WDM Video Capture (NTSC) IRQ 23 FusionHDTV 881, WDM Audio Capture IRQ 23 FusionHDTV 88x, BDA Receiver(ATSC-A) I/O Port 0x00009000-0x00009FFF Intel(R) 82875P/E7210 Processor to PCI to CSA bridge - 257B I/O Port 0x00009000-0x00009FFF Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection IRQ 16 NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2 IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE IRQ 17 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) IRQ 17 Realtek AC'97 Audio Memory Address 0xD0000000-0xD7FFFFFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge Memory Address 0xD0000000-0xD7FFFFFF Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) Memory Address 0xEB000000-0xEB0FFFFF Intel(R) 82875P/E7210 Processor to PCI to CSA bridge - 257B Memory Address 0xEB000000-0xEB0FFFFF Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection IRQ 18 Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7 IRQ 18 Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller IRQ 18 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 2) Memory Address 0xC0000000-0xCFFFFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 Memory Address 0xC0000000-0xCFFFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT [DMA] Resource Device Status Channel 4 Direct memory access controller OK Channel 2 Standard floppy disk controller OK [Forced Hardware] Device PNP Device ID [I/O] Resource Device Status 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus OK 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller OK 0x00000D00-0x0000FFFF PCI bus OK 0x000003B0-0x000003BB Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 OK 0x000003B0-0x000003BB NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK 0x000003C0-0x000003DF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 OK 0x000003C0-0x000003DF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK 0x00009000-0x00009FFF Intel(R) 82875P/E7210 Processor to PCI to CSA bridge - 257B OK 0x00009000-0x00009FFF Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection OK 0x0000A000-0x0000A01F Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2 OK 0x0000A400-0x0000A41F Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4 OK 0x0000A800-0x0000A81F Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7 OK 0x0000AC00-0x0000AC1F Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE OK 0x00000279-0x00000279 ISAPNP Read Data Port OK 0x00000274-0x00000277 ISAPNP Read Data Port OK 0x00000010-0x0000001F Motherboard resources OK 0x00000022-0x0000003F Motherboard resources OK 0x00000044-0x0000005F Motherboard resources OK 0x00000062-0x00000063 Motherboard resources OK 0x00000065-0x0000006F Motherboard resources OK 0x00000074-0x0000007F Motherboard resources OK 0x00000091-0x00000093 Motherboard resources OK 0x000000A2-0x000000BF Motherboard resources OK 0x000000E0-0x000000EF Motherboard resources OK 0x00000B78-0x00000B7B Motherboard resources OK 0x00000F78-0x00000F7B Motherboard resources OK 0x00000A78-0x00000A7B Motherboard resources OK 0x00000E78-0x00000E7B Motherboard resources OK 0x00000BBC-0x00000BBF Motherboard resources OK 0x00000FBC-0x00000FBF Motherboard resources OK 0x000004D0-0x000004D1 Motherboard resources OK 0x00000294-0x00000297 Motherboard resources OK 0x00000020-0x00000021 Programmable interrupt controller OK 0x000000A0-0x000000A1 Programmable interrupt controller OK 0x00000080-0x00000090 Direct memory access controller OK 0x00000094-0x0000009F Direct memory access controller OK 0x000000C0-0x000000DF Direct memory access controller OK 0x00000040-0x00000043 System timer OK 0x00000070-0x00000073 System CMOS/real time clock OK 0x00000061-0x00000061 System speaker OK 0x000000F0-0x000000FF Numeric data processor OK 0x000003F0-0x000003F5 Standard floppy disk controller OK 0x000003F7-0x000003F7 Standard floppy disk controller OK 0x00000060-0x00000060 Motherboard resources OK 0x00000064-0x00000064 Motherboard resources OK 0x00000400-0x000004BF Motherboard resources OK 0x0000F000-0x0000F00F Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers OK 0x000001F0-0x000001F7 Primary IDE Channel OK 0x000003F6-0x000003F6 Primary IDE Channel OK 0x00000170-0x00000177 Secondary IDE Channel OK 0x00000376-0x00000376 Secondary IDE Channel OK 0x00000500-0x0000051F Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3 OK 0x0000B400-0x0000B4FF Realtek AC'97 Audio OK 0x0000B800-0x0000B83F Realtek AC'97 Audio OK [IRQs] Resource Device Status IRQ 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System OK IRQ 16 NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2 OK IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE OK IRQ 18 Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection OK IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7 OK IRQ 18 Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller OK IRQ 18 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 2) OK IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4 OK IRQ 23 Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24DD OK IRQ 23 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 2) OK IRQ 23 FusionHDTV 88x, WDM Video Capture (NTSC) OK IRQ 23 FusionHDTV 881, WDM Audio Capture OK IRQ 23 FusionHDTV 88x, BDA Receiver(ATSC-A) OK IRQ 20 FusionHDTV, WDM Video Capture OK IRQ 20 FusionHDTV, BDA Receiver(ATSC-A) OK IRQ 22 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) OK IRQ 17 Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) OK IRQ 17 Realtek AC'97 Audio OK IRQ 0 System timer OK IRQ 8 System CMOS/real time clock OK IRQ 13 Numeric data processor OK IRQ 6 Standard floppy disk controller OK IRQ 14 Primary IDE Channel OK IRQ 15 Secondary IDE Channel OK IRQ 5 Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3 OK [Memory] Resource Device Status 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus OK 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 OK 0xA0000-0xBFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK 0xC0000-0xDFFFF PCI bus OK 0x60000000-0xFEBFFFFF PCI bus OK 0xE8000000-0xEAFFFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 OK 0xE8000000-0xEAFFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK 0xC0000000-0xCFFFFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 OK 0xC0000000-0xCFFFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK 0xB0000000-0xBFFFFFFF Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579 OK 0xE9000000-0xE9FFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT OK 0xEB000000-0xEB0FFFFF Intel(R) 82875P/E7210 Processor to PCI to CSA bridge - 257B OK 0xEB000000-0xEB0FFFFF Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection OK 0xEB100000-0xEB1003FF Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24DD OK 0xE7004000-0xE70047FF Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller OK 0xE7000000-0xE7003FFF Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller OK 0xE0000000-0xE0000FFF FusionHDTV, WDM Video Capture OK 0xE0001000-0xE0001FFF FusionHDTV, BDA Receiver(ATSC-A) OK 0xD0000000-0xD7FFFFFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge OK 0xD0000000-0xD7FFFFFF Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) OK 0xD4000000-0xD7FFFFFF Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 2) OK 0xE4000000-0xE4FFFFFF FusionHDTV 88x, WDM Video Capture (NTSC) OK 0xE5000000-0xE5FFFFFF FusionHDTV 881, WDM Audio Capture OK 0xE6000000-0xE6FFFFFF FusionHDTV 88x, BDA Receiver(ATSC-A) OK 0xD8000000-0xDFFFFFFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge OK 0xD8000000-0xDFFFFFFF Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 1) OK 0xDC000000-0xDFFFFFFF Hauppauge WinTV PVR PCI II (23xxx) (Tuner 2) OK 0xFFB80000-0xFFBFFFFF Intel(R) 82802 Firmware Hub Device OK 0xFEBFFC00-0xFEBFFFFF Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers OK 0xEB101000-0xEB1011FF Realtek AC'97 Audio OK 0xEB102000-0xEB1020FF Realtek AC'97 Audio OK 0xD0000-0xD3FFF System board OK 0xF0000-0xF7FFF System board OK 0xF8000-0xFBFFF System board OK 0xFC000-0xFFFFF System board OK 0x5FFF0000-0x5FFFFFFF System board OK 0x0000-0x9FFFF System board OK 0x100000-0x5FFEFFFF System board OK 0xFEC00000-0xFEC00FFF System board OK 0xFEC01000-0xFED8FFFF System board OK 0xFEE00000-0xFEE00FFF System board OK 0xFFB00000-0xFFB7FFFF System board OK 0xFFF00000-0xFFFFFFFF System board OK 0xE0000-0xEFFFF System board OK B |
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That is interesting information.
I have an Antenna's Direct DB-8 in my attic. It is rated as being a long-range antenna, and I am 35 miles at the most, from the towers. But it would appear that my percentages are not quite high enough. I think I'm either going to have to go with a better antenna, or mount one outside. I don't think I really have the option to mount one outside, nor do I really want to do it myself. I may need to move my antenna around a bit, and see if it's just an alignment issue.
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I have a ChannelMaster of some variety installed. The guy came out, used a signal meeter to determine best location and antenna, put it all in. I helped with some of the wiring work which saved me a little on the whole job. I went from jerky HD to great TV watching as a result. You could also have someone come out with a signal meter and help you with your current antenna. (pre-amp, or whatever else you may need) HIH B |
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