HdHomeRun - Our Answer to QAM?!

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by clmolnar

What is your delay on LiveTV playback set to? I know some people were setting this very high to eliminate some stutter problems when watching Live TV. I have never changed mine, so it is still at whatever the default value is.

I have never modified mine. I'm not sure what it is set to. Before upgrading from v6.0, it typically took around 3 to 5 seconds.

When the show actually begins to display, has it actually started recording 30 seconds late, or did it begin recording on time, and just delayed displaying the picture for 30 seconds?

Good point. I'll check this tonight. Thanks.

Aloha,
Mike

[clmolnar]

Another interesting test would be to watch the tuner light on the front of the HDHR unit. Does it come on immediately when you tune the channel in SageTV? Or does it come on shortly before the show is displayed on your TV?

Carl

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by clmolnar

What is your delay on LiveTV playback set to? I know some people were setting this very high to eliminate some stutter problems when watching Live TV. I have never changed mine, so it is still at whatever the default value is.

I checked and the playback delay was set to 1500ms.

When the show actually begins to display, has it actually started recording 30 seconds late, or did it begin recording on time, and just delayed displaying the picture for 30 seconds?

This is difficult to check with live TV. I'll have to set up a direct cable feed to the tv and compare the time offset to the video through sage. I do know that I cannot skip back beyond the point when playback actually started. I also will check the starting times of scheduled recordings. I'll have to do some follow-up work on this.

Originally Posted by clmolnar

Another interesting test would be to watch the tuner light on the front of the HDHR unit. Does it come on immediately when you tune the channel in SageTV? Or does it come on shortly before the show is displayed on your TV?

The light on the HDHR comes on within about 3 seconds of tuning the channel through sage, so at least that part seems to be working properly. Another thing I want to check is whether or not the delay occurs if I tune the channel directly on the server or on my MVP. So far all of my observations have been on my main client. Thanks for the suggestions Carl.

Aloha,
Mike

[akenis]

Read through this whole thread and all the stuff at silicondust before ordering and receiving my HDHR yesterday....so simple I thought.

Didn't work....To make a long story short.

Hardware Tuner # 1 (the coax port on the left as viewed from the rear) is Software tuner #1!!

Hardware Tuner # 2 (the other coax port) is Software tuner #0)

This might not be a factor if you take it straight to Sage, but I wanted to test with the GUI/VLC. Read all about the manager here....that's not needed to just use the GUI. Using the manager does something weird with the IP address of the HDHR. My router showed the HDHR's Mac and my laptop's name???

Should be easy from here...right???

[Yooper]

I wasted about two hours when I connected just one cable to the HDHR. I then could not find any channels at all. After a lot of angst, I realized that I was looking at the OTHER connection using the software!!! I then spent the time to connect both up and it all worked nicely. The connections are confusing.

[akenis]

Finally got around to sorting through channels available OTA vs QAM.

OTA: Big 5 plus a MYTV channel, an extra NBC feed, and 2 extra PBS feeds...9 Channels.

QAM: The big 5 plus an exta PBS feed.

Last week I went through the firewire scan on my STB. I only got 2-3 HD channels, none of the HD networks/premiums, and an odd mix of the other SD digital channels.


Tuners avail now: 4 (two on the 500 MCE and now two on the HDHR)

Before the HDHR I had analoge cable on one of the 500's tuners and an USBUIRT controlled STB for Digital Cable. (Had to switch out of Sage if I wanted HD). The problem with this line up was that the networks are in the analogue cable line up...a lot of my first 100 channels are crap. Since subscribing to HD I also get the networks in the HD tier.

I actualy told the digital line up that it couldn't get the analogue channels off the STB, so it would be forced to tune in the HD channel....down converted of course, but still way better than my analogue equivalent. These are the files that totally choke Show analyzer...Jere is taking a look at one since yesterday.

Don't want to firewire my only STB, because I need it for premiums, but it would be nice to have a dedicated STB to take advantage of the SD digital channels that come with 5.1 audio...but I kind of make my own with AC3 Filter.

Looking forward to being able to recording two HD shows simultaneously. For now I'm going to put them both OTA, since I get more stations. The networks are the important ones, so if OTA signal doesn't pan out, I can switch them over to QAM.

Long winded I know....here's the question: building the channel line up.

The OTA'ed HDHR will get digital broadcast. Simple.

The analogue 500 tuner gets Comcast Basic. Simple.

The other 500 tuner stays with the STB and the Comcast Digital Lineup.



1. What channels should I enable in the Comcast Digital Lineup? Should I keep the analogue networks out...the ones that are also in the digital tier?

2. Sage thinks it has 3 HD networks, but it really only has the two off the HDHR. Should I set the encoder merit thing for the HDHR.

Thanks

[MTuckman]

Originally Posted by MeInMaui

I updated to the latest HDHR Manager/firmware (20070512) a few days ago. I still have the same ~30s delay from tuning a channel until it begins liveTV playback in SageTV v6.1.9. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks.

Aloha,
Mike

Mike,

Do you have write caching turned on for the drive(s) that the HDHR recordings are written to? When I had it turned on, I had a similar problem. Turning it off solved the problem but it did increase the activity on the drive.

[rsagetv99]

Anyone know where the latest SageHDHomerun software is? I tried finding it on the Silicondust site, but I could not find it.

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by rsagetv99

Anyone know where the latest SageHDHomerun software is? I tried finding it on the Silicondust site, but I could not find it.

There is no separate software for SageTV anymore. They have merged SageTV support into the HDHR Manager software.

Aloha,
Mike

[flavius]

And they ship BDA drivers now.

[Muchacho]

Originally Posted by flavius

And they ship BDA drivers now.

Do these work with SageTV? It was my understanding that they have been working on this, but that it is still not ready. I actually cant wait, b/c I have problems with the timeline of shows from the HDHR and have been lead to believe that this will be corrected when the BDA drives are properly implemented in SageTV.

[jkohn]

HDHR still works as a network encoder for Sage, BDA support for Sage is not currently available, and based on SD's silence in response to questions about it, I'm not expecting it to happen anytime real soon.

[mkanet]

OnAir GT is the only product out which test's SageTV's BDA support . Currently, it doesnt work too well. I'm still puzzled why SageTV has this product listed in the supported products for QAM. I bought two because it was mentioned as a supported device. Now, I have two brand new tuners just sitting here waiting for a software update from SageTV.

Its a shame that SageTV is dragging their feet for this support. I definitely prefer native QAM support in sageTV verses having to rely on a network encoder helper app.

[Keenan]

I just added a Hauppauge 150 to my Sage setup which already has a HDHR.

I'm having a bit trouble and I'm not sure if it's anything to do with the HDHR or not. When setting up the device as a video source I can see/hear the channels in the channel setup "View" insert screen, but when I go out to the program guide and select a channel it shows "No Signal".

I'm guessing it might be a re-mapping issue, but I'm not sure.

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by Keenan

I just added a Hauppauge 150 to my Sage setup which already has a HDHR.

I'm having a bit trouble and I'm not sure if it's anything to do with the HDHR or not. When setting up the device as a video source I can see/hear the channels in the channel setup "View" insert screen, but when I go out to the program guide and select a channel it shows "No Signal".

I'm guessing it might be a re-mapping issue, but I'm not sure.

Make sure you choose different line-ups for the PVR150 and the HDHR. I am using a neighboring city's line-up for my HDHR. If you apply the same line-up to all tuners, then your physical channel mappings will be applied to the PVR150 as well. Hopefully that's it.

Aloha,
Mike

[Keenan]

Originally Posted by MeInMaui

Make sure you choose different line-ups for the PVR150 and the HDHR. I am using a neighboring city's line-up for my HDHR. If you apply the same line-up to all tuners, then your physical channel mappings will be applied to the PVR150 as well. Hopefully that's it.

Aloha,
Mike

I tried that and it didn't work. I'll try it again from scratch and see what happens.

It's going through the channel scan right now, and the channels are showing up in the insert window....

Okay, did the above and when tried to tune an analog channel 1 came in although it was mislabeled as I suspect the other city lineup I chose probably has the station on a different channel number. I changed to a different channel and get the no signal message, yet the channels all still come in using the channel setup "view" screen. ??

It seems as if I'm missing something fundamental here, but I'm not sure what...

[Keenan]

That seemed to work, of course some of the mapping is wrong but that should be easy to fix.

[Keenan]

Now it's not, it seems erratic, sometimes it will tune the channel, then other times it won't. Could it be a time-out issue of some sort, Sage says no signal if it doesn't see anything in a specified time period? It seems to me I've seen mention of something like that somewhere around here.

I know this is the wrong thread for this, so if someone could direct me to where I should be I'd appreciate it.

[Keenan]

Does Sage create program streams, or transport streams, from the HDHR? And what is the difference, and how would it effect how other applications react to the difference?

[Keenan]

Originally Posted by Keenan

Does Sage create program streams, or transport streams, from the HDHR? And what is the difference, and how would it effect how other applications react to the difference?

Got the PVR150 channel mapping worked out, thanks.

Still curious about the above though..