Sagetv 6 problems

[eded9698]

Just installed the trial for ver.6 and it will not play my ripped dvds. I've tried everything I could find in the forum nothing works. Different decoders, FSE, nothing worked. I even tried a different STV so I could try Theatertek and all I would see is a black screen. If Sagetv expect people to pay $80.00 for software that doesn't work has advertised. This is not what I call a stable release, unless your Microsoft.

[srothwell]

Originally Posted by eded9698

Just installed the trial for ver.6 and it will not play my ripped dvds. I've tried everything I could find in the forum nothing works. Different decoders, FSE, nothing worked. I even tried a different STV so I could try Theatertek and all I would see is a black screen. If Sagetv expect people to pay $80.00 for software that doesn't work has advertised. This is not what I call a stable release, unless your Microsoft.

Make sure the video decoder you're using in setup->Video is NOT the default SageTV decoder.

[eded9698]

I have used default, sage, nvidia, ffdshow. Playing the movies with sagetv shutdown is no problem. Theatertek runs fine.

[Opus4]

In case this is the issue: for DVD playback, you have to change the DVD Video Decoder Filter at Detailed Setup -> DVD, not the video decoder in the Video/Audio section.

Also, where are you trying to play the DVD -- The main SageTV UI? A client? A Placeshifter client? MVP client?

- Andy

[eded9698]

I have change the decoder in video and dvd, nothing. I am using main SageTV UI. I tried the MCE ui to see if I could get theatertek to work, but nothing but black and no sound. I think Sage isn't releasing what Theatertek needs to play the ripped dvds.

[Opus4]

Does SageTV display an error message when using the default STV?

What format are the ripped DVDs in? SageTV expects to see ripped DVDs as described in Appendix I of the SageTV manual; p. 250 for v6.

- Andy

[Lucas]

Originally Posted by eded9698

If Sagetv expect people to pay $80.00 for software that doesn't work has advertised. This is not what I call a stable release, unless your Microsoft.

You can rest assured that there would be a riot if the software didn't work.

DVD works for me and for thousands of other customers.

It's just something peculiar with your setup which will need to be rectified.

You are not giving us much information to go on so that we can provide some suggestions. What do you mean that it doesn't work?

Can you see the DVDs in the Imported Videos section?

If yes, what happens when you select it to watch?

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by eded9698

I have change the decoder in video and dvd, nothing. I am using main SageTV UI. I tried the MCE ui to see if I could get theatertek to work, but nothing but black and no sound. I think Sage isn't releasing what Theatertek needs to play the ripped dvds.

Sounds like you're running MCE. Stop the MCE services. Make sure not to start Theatertek when a DVD is inserted. (Turn off the try app). Go into ffdshow and make sure nothing is configured to handle any type of video. Go into Sage and make sure video and DVD is NOT set to overlay. DVD disc or rip should play.


Gerry

[eded9698]

Originally Posted by Lucas

You can rest assured that there would be a riot if the software didn't work.

DVD works for me and for thousands of other customers.

I think it is very, if not impossible for thousands of customer's dvds to play properly. Version 6 was just released less than 24HRS ago. This is not the first problem I have come across with this software.

HTPC - Windows xp pro (new install), up to date, Theatertek 2.4, Nvidia lastest driver, no anti-virus, lastest stable ffdshow, xfx 7600GS, 1.5gb memory, Fussion lite capture, windows media player 11, sSagetv ver.6 ( remove all traces of the beta ver.) no other unnecessary software installed.
Ripped dvds in the proper stucture (D:/movie/title/video ts and audio ts)All the movies show up in the imported video section.

Nvidia driver would give an error(can't read file system with some number). Uninstalled sagetv, reinstalled Ver.6, now I get FFDSHow And Nvidia driver 100% cpu.
Does not matter if its overlay or VMR9.

Installed SageMC16x9 Version 6.x Full Install Package so I could use Theatertek, but when I try to play a movie I get nothing but a BlACK PICTURE
NO SOUND.

Movies play perfect in Theatertek when sagetv isn't running.

[eded9698]

Movies played outside of sagetv with it running play fine.

[jsonnabend]

Same or similar problem here. No matter what decoder I use, I just get a black screen (although I do get sound on occasion).

- Jeff

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by eded9698

I think it is very, if not impossible for thousands of customer's dvds to play properly. Version 6 was just released less than 24HRS ago. This is not the first problem I have come across with this software.

HTPC - Windows xp pro (new install), up to date, Theatertek 2.4, Nvidia lastest driver, no anti-virus, lastest stable ffdshow, xfx 7600GS, 1.5gb memory, Fussion lite capture, windows media player 11, sSagetv ver.6 ( remove all traces of the beta ver.) no other unnecessary software installed.
Ripped dvds in the proper stucture (D:/movie/title/video ts and audio ts)All the movies show up in the imported video section.

Nvidia driver would give an error(can't read file system with some number). Uninstalled sagetv, reinstalled Ver.6, now I get FFDSHow And Nvidia driver 100% cpu.
Does not matter if its overlay or VMR9.

Installed SageMC16x9 Version 6.x Full Install Package so I could use Theatertek, but when I try to play a movie I get nothing but a BlACK PICTURE
NO SOUND.

Movies play perfect in Theatertek when sagetv isn't running.

Would recommend removing ffdshow and getting the basics working first. Getting 100% cpu indicates that ffdshow is doing most if not all of the video processing. Also make sure FSE is NOT enabled in Sage until everything is working properly. Ver. 6 has been in beta trial for a while so this has been in more peoples hands for more than 24 hours.

[eded9698]

My first problem was bad play back of 1080i tv shows. The only thing that seemed to work was ffdshow. Playing dvds never work from the beginning, but I put it off because watching tv was painful. Once that was tken care of I started to address the dvd problem. I started with the basic from the start and nothing seemed to work properly from the beginning. It doesn't make since that having ffdshowon the computer would be causing a problem. And if it is not selected.

Also, I've turned FSE on and off. Nothing

More peoples hands, but not THOUSANDS

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by eded9698

My first problem was bad play back of 1080i tv shows. The only thing that seemed to work was ffdshow. Playing dvds never work from the beginning, but I put it off because watching tv was painful. Once that was tken care of I started to address the dvd problem. I started with the basic from the start and nothing seemed to work properly from the beginning. It doesn't make since that having ffdshowon the computer would be causing a problem. And if it is not selected.

Also, I've turned FSE on and off. Nothing

More peoples hands, but not THOUSANDS

If ffdshow is configured for raw video and you use the default video decoder ffdshow WILL insert itself into the equation. Another reason just to take it off and out of there. Also your video can be affected by what audio device (Direct, wave or the device) and decoder you choose. Try working with the helpful people of the forum and you may make some headway. Right now it may not sound like it makes much sense to you but you're receiving help from people who have ran this product for years, and tested every beta including the current one and just may know more about the product and how it interacts with other components.

You can backup your current SageTV install. Uninstall and delete the current directory. Uninstall ffdshow. Make sure nVidia is the last decoder installed and install a clean basic install of Sage. Configure one TV source for now and test out the basics. If none of it works then copy your backup over it and you're right where you are now. Nothing to lose but a little time. Also look to see if you have any other video decoders installed which may have a higher priority and may be interferring.

Gerry

[Rogue9]

Originally Posted by eded9698

My first problem was bad play back of 1080i tv shows. The only thing that seemed to work was ffdshow. Playing dvds never work from the beginning, but I put it off because watching tv was painful. Once that was tken care of I started to address the dvd problem. I started with the basic from the start and nothing seemed to work properly from the beginning. It doesn't make since that having ffdshowon the computer would be causing a problem. And if it is not selected.

Also, I've turned FSE on and off. Nothing

More peoples hands, but not THOUSANDS

What CPU are you using? Are you sure you have the correct version of ffdshow that's designed for your specific CPU?

Your 7600GS should be able to handle HD playback, without the need for ffdshow. The fact that you HAD to use ffdshow to get it working seems to indicate a larger problem. And if your CPU is pegged out at 100% using ffdshow, then you won't get smooth playback anyway.

I recommend following gplasky's advice and remove ffdshow, and try from there.

Also, maybe try downloading microsoft's deccheck utility, and make sure you don't have any other decoders installed that may be bogging things down or causing a problem.

[eded9698]

I appreciate your help. And I did exactly what you said before I wrote into the forum. But I will give it another try. Thanks

[blade]

When using FFDshow everything is done in software so you're not taking advantage of any of your video card's hardware acceleration or "purevideo" features. That's why you're seeing 100% cpu usage. I doubt you'll find many (if anyone) that thinks using FFDshow on 1080i content is a good idea. Very few people here even bother with it for SD or DVD anymore. It sure isn't a substitute for the Nvidia decoder unless you just want to do everything in software.

Is it only ripped DVDs that give problems? Do you have any problems when playing from the DVD drive?

[eded9698]

Originally Posted by Rogue9

What CPU are you using? Are you sure you have the correct version of ffdshow that's designed for your specific CPU?

Your 7600GS should be able to handle HD playback, without the need for ffdshow. The fact that you HAD to use ffdshow to get it working seems to indicate a larger problem. And if your CPU is pegged out at 100% using ffdshow, then you won't get smooth playback anyway.

I recommend following gplasky's advice and remove ffdshow, and try from there.

Also, maybe try downloading microsoft's deccheck utility, and make sure you don't have any other decoders installed that may be bogging things down or causing a problem.

I installed ffdshow because playing 1080i tv show was very choppy. It was the only driver that seem to work for me. My cpu is an AMD 64 3200. I give the deccheck a try.

[eded9698]

Originally Posted by blade

Is it only ripped DVDs that give problems? Do you have any problems when playing from the DVD drive?

The ripped or dvd-rom movies play fine with theatertek 2.4. No problems. Only with sagetv do I have problems.

[blade]

Originally Posted by eded9698

I installed ffdshow because playing 1080i tv show was very choppy. It was the only driver that seem to work for me. My cpu is an AMD 64 3200. I give the deccheck a try.

FFDshow, Nvidia decoder, etc... aren't drivers they are decoders.

That's because you've offloaded the work from your video card to your cpu by using software decoding instead of hardware. Your video card should have been powerful enough to do it in hardware. Sometimes it takes a little tweaking, but having 10-20% cpu usage sure beats 100%.