HDHR/digital tuning in v6.5 & later

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

The physical channel numbers were incorrect. I reentered all of them manually, referring to the -scn file written by the HDHR.

Do you have the log from the UI used during the scan? I wouldn't mind seeing the log and the .scn file.

It should always be remapping the physical channel number instead of using something already there. Maybe some of the old remaps were still there along with the new remaps?

- Andy

[jbuszkie]

Originally Posted by Opus4

What's the same issue? The current DLL should be looking for the .scn file again. If it isn't, then it still needs to be fixed.

Andy,

If the dll link on the frist page was updated... then it's still broken.
I just tried it.. and although the two dll's are binary different(the one from yesterday and the one from today), it's still looking for the -scn.

Jim
EDIT: Oh.. and my channel mappings seem to be just fine. I had to delete my properties file and start fresh to get rid of some old channels it found.. but with a fresh lineup.. my mappings seem to be perfect..

[kevine]

Currently have 6.4.4 beta. I am going to give HDHR beta and Sage beta a try this weekend. I currently have the HDHR setup using DirecTV lineup because I wanted to save my cable lineups for the tuners that have direct tuning and my STB. How would I go about this now? I know you can now have seperately configured lineups but given how closely I have heard the HDHR works with the lineup, is this the best way? Thanks.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by jbuszkie

If the dll link on the frist page was updated... then it's still broken.

The DLL linked in the first post has been updated again... if there are still problems finding the .scn file, let me know again.

Originally Posted by kevine

Currently have 6.4.4 beta. I am going to give HDHR beta and Sage beta a try this weekend. I currently have the HDHR setup using DirecTV lineup because I wanted to save my cable lineups for the tuners that have direct tuning and my STB. How would I go about this now? I know you can now have seperately configured lineups but given how closely I have heard the HDHR works with the lineup, is this the best way? Thanks.

The first post's instructions lists the options for guide data choices. If the HDHR's channels are in use by another already-configured tuner, then just choose to use no lineup & it will find the channels used on other lineups by name. Otherwise, choose a lineup that has the channels you will be using.

- Andy

[Crunch]

Opus4
I was in the middle of a install and saw your post. Installed the DLL I just downloaded and it found the .scn files.

A day ago when I did all this I only had to have the channel name from Zap2it lineup and all worked. My Sage guide just numbered the channels 1,2,3,4,5 etc.

Today I have to have both channel name and number from Zap2it in the HDHomerun setup utility or it just ignores it. That is a pain as we have 2 channels, weather is one that has a name AYZWX or some such but is not shown in zap2it so it is not included in my lineup?

Thanks
Crunch

[AzJazz]

Originally Posted by Conejo

AzJazz,

When you say "enter all the guide numbers from Zap2it", do you mean the cable channel numbers 2-1000, the station call letters or the stnID/sntNum info. The setup directions do say you have to use the first two IDs in the HDHR setup process.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your comment.

Were you hoping the HDHR Setup would be fully programmed with Station ID and Channel Assignment and you'd just be required to select the channels you want? It's possible to do, and SiliconDust is close to achieving it. But this falls under the umbrella of cloud computing, where *someone* on your same system enters the correct cable lineup then a second person enters the exact same values. From this we can assume it's verified. There could be other check/balances used to prevent shinanigans, but this type of live updating could also allow for lineup auto-updating.

What I meant was that I needed to enter each of the respective Zap2It channel numbers (24 for WGN, for example) in the Guide Number column of the HDHR setup screen. Then, when I did a channel scan in SageTV, everything lined up properly.

I don't remember entering the Guide Number information in the past (or maybe it just didn't work), but I could be wrong about that.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by Crunch

I was in the middle of a install and saw your post. Installed the DLL I just downloaded and it found the .scn files.

Great -- thanks for letting me know.

A day ago when I did all this I only had to have the channel name from Zap2it lineup and all worked. My Sage guide just numbered the channels 1,2,3,4,5 etc.

Today I have to have both channel name and number from Zap2it in the HDHomerun setup utility or it just ignores it. That is a pain as we have 2 channels, weather is one that has a name AYZWX or some such but is not shown in zap2it so it is not included in my lineup?

I would like to see the .scn file and the debug log from the UI. It should be able to deal with channels not in the lineup at all & I thought the guide number was optional in the HDHR channel editor, based on the last time I tried it.

A native log may be useful too.

- Andy

[Crunch]

The two days ago when I tried this I did not have to put any numbers in the Guide number column. I just did a scan in the HDHR setup, went through and disabled the ones I didn't want etc. When I did a scan with Sage it found all the channels I had a check beside and just numbered them 1 to19 in the Sagetv guide.
Today I did a scan in HDHR and other than a couple that had a number like 16.9 or 5.8 there were no numbers in the column. Well sage only took the channels that had both the channel ID and the number. So I removed all the numbers in Channel number column and put in the numbers from the Zap2it guide. Presto it found those channels but guess what all of them show "no signal" when I tune to them. But if I use the 5.8 format numbers that HDHR must have pulled from the signal they show up in Sage and I don’t get the ‘no signal’ message. I have firewall off etc.

Has anyone got the DLL from two days ago?

I thought I read where you only had to have the number or the station ID for this to work..

EDIT
Hi Andy
You must have posted while I was typing... going crazy. I just did a Sage scan on the file the HDHR sent with no channel numbers only station id like WCCBDT2 - I watched it do the scan to like 200 and it didn't find one single channel.

[Opus4]

Crunch: in case you were typing that last reply while I was replying, please see my request for the logs & scn file, above.

- Andy

[Conejo]

Originally Posted by AzJazz

What I meant was that I needed to enter each of the respective Zap2It channel numbers (24 for WGN, for example) in the Guide Number column of the HDHR setup screen. Then, when I did a channel scan in SageTV, everything lined up properly.

I don't remember entering the Guide Number information in the past (or maybe it just didn't work), but I could be wrong about that.

I think Andy had a hand in this. Entering 'Guide Numbers' didn't work before, or at least I don't know what it did, and HDHR users had to enter data in the HDHR Setup then make other additional corrections in the SageTV channel setup. So this change allows HDHR users to do most of their pre-setup work in the HDHR application: Scan to detect channels, find StationIDs, Assign a cable lineup number for use in Sage, etc. and then SageTV will import and apply the entries. So Nice!

If Andy keeps this up, pretty soon there will be no more need to ask for help on this message board.

[Crunch]

Andy
I will set those log files this evening when I get some time.

Andy, do we need to put both channel ID and numbers now??

It was so easy the last time I did it. The channel ID colum was filled I assume from the the HDHR scan. Not sure if it go it from the cable feed or where.

I am thinking Time Warner are not sending/including the channel number that Zap2it uses. As a result it doulbles the work. I do a HDHR scan that fills the channel ID and some numbers. Then I have to go through and find the channel numbers Zap2it uses and enter them. If I don't do it then the SageTv scan won't grab those channels even though they have the Station ID entered.
Surely if the channel ID is there than that should be fine. Me looking up a number to add can even introduce errors.

My 'no signal' may have been the TW Cableman on the corner. When I left to get the kids I saw him up the poll with bunches of wires everywhere. Be just my luck he pulled the plug as I was setting up. I had a quick look when I got home later and there were some channels there, but they were breaking up. Can't win these last two days. Only good thing well not good if you are my wife is USAir cancelled her 4.30 flight and told her to turn up in the morning... So I have one more time latter tonight to get it going.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by Crunch

Andy, do we need to put both channel ID and numbers now??

As I said before: no, you should not need to do that, but I can't think of a good reason not to. If you don't take just a few minutes to enter the channel name & number in the HDHR channel editor, you'll have a LOT more work to do in SageTV. You either provide the name & number in the HDHR app and let SageTV try to remap everything automatically, or you manually do ALL the remapping in SageTV. The HDHR channel editor makes an effort to provide the channel names to start with & most of them should be correct -- that is the benefit to scanning in the HDHR program.

Then, SageTV uses the channel name to try to match to a channel in a SageTV lineup. If the name isn't provided, then the only match possible is via the channel number & that may or may not match as well as a name would.

SageTV uses the number as the preferred logical number to be used in the Program Guide, or to be matched to a channel in the guide if you provided no name.

If you provide no name or number in the HDHR app, then you get to do all logical channel remapping in SageTV and you get to remap every channel to its proper station. This is what you have to do with just about all QAM tuners in SageTV, so the connection between the HDHR's setup program & SageTV's scan process offers an easier way to do this.

That said: it is supposed to still work if you provide no name or number. The channel should still get found; you'll just need to do the remapping.

If you can upload those logs, I can try to see what is happening on your system.

- Andy

[Crunch]

Andy.
Just for you I went back a step and created the problem with logs running... I think I got it right as I have not done the logging before.

In HDHR I put numbers to all the cahnnels except the ones TWUNC**

Then did a scan in SageTv and those few channels were not picked up.

Hope logs show you what you need.

I am now going to try and put it back to how I had it working.

It seems my 'no signal' must have been due to something Time Warner were doing at the same time as I was doing my setup, because I have seen signal strenghts increase from 60-70% on channels to 98% this evening.

Edit
I see your point on putting numbers in. I guess I was spoilt the other day when I just did a scan in HDHR went over to SageTV did a scan and they all came up working. The EPG did not have the numbers that the Zap2it guide has though, they were numbered 1 to 19 ...


Crunch

[Opus4]

Well, there's something I wasn't expecting... the channels aren't in the .scn file created by the HDHR software if they have no Guide Number in the HDHR's channel editor, even though they are enabled there. I'll go ask about that. (Edit 2: now I see that their instructions were updated to say not to leave the number blank; I'll still ask why.)

As far as I know, SageTV should be able to handle that situation, so I don't know why they are being auto-disabled like that. (Edit 1: I tested it by manually changing a scn file & it worked. The CH value becomes the logical channel number in that case, which is what I expected.)

And, thanks for the log files that helped see what was happening.

- Andy

[Crunch]

Andy,
Guess things are changing every day. Maybe thats one of those 'beta' things I forget about at 1am. I was running off where Nick in this post http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5434 said

Hi,

The guide name must always be correct - it is required by the HDHomeRun software and must match the Zap2it name.

The guide number is optional and can be left blank. If you enter a guide number then it must match the Zap2it guide number.

SageTV will match the guide name or guide number. It is unclear which priority but the priority it isn't important if you enter the right information (Zap2it name+number).

Short version - if the guide number is currently blank then leave it blank.

They must have decided to change that as I see it now in bold in directions and i don't think it was there 36 hours ago

- Enter the zap2it guide number for each channel. If left blank the channel will not be detected by SageTV.

Maybe if they are going to require both Name and Number then they need to fix the HDHR setup so that you can't 'enable' a channel to be used unless both are filled?

On a different topic - Now I have to work out how to move one HDHR tuner to take an off the air channel as Time Warner’s feed for it more often than not is corrupted.

good night

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by Crunch

On a different topic - Now I have to work out how to move one HDHR tuner to take an off the air channel as Time Warner’s feed for it more often than not is corrupted.

That should be easy, especially now that you know the 'gotchas'.

Just configure The HDHR softare to use that tuner as Digital Antenna, then do your scan/channel edits in the HDHR app followed by the antenna tuner setup/scan in SageTV. Setup in SageTV is very similar to QAM setup, other than choosing Antenna instead of Cable. If you choose your local broadcast lineup in SageTV, it should match the channels just fine, though you may find there are a few OTA channels where SageTV can't get the EPG data from Zap2it.

- Andy

[Crunch]

Andy,
Here is another flaw in the need to enter both channel Id and Number.
I have reproduced the problem a number of times.

See post over at Silicondust.

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/vie...?p=30127#30127

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by Crunch

Andy,
Here is another flaw in the need to enter both channel Id and Number.
I have reproduced the problem a number of times.

See post over at Silicondust.

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/vie...?p=30127#30127

You should be able to leave 14.7 in the HDHR channel editor, instead of changing it to 220. You said that works, right? I think the only one that definitely doesn't work is leaving the guide number blank.

But, yes, that is a problem to be investigated. And, maybe that's why someone else previously mentioned they had channels that gave "No Signal" in SageTV.

- Andy

[Opus4]

Crunch: would you get logs from the UI and core (if using service mode, that would be 2 logs) and the native log from that tuning problem? If that is a SageTV issue, I think we would need the logs from when you try to tune the problem channels.

- Andy

[jbuszkie]

Ok.. I thought I had everything working with HDHR.. My channel maps looked good... but now when I try to actually watch the program it gives me a play back error. I can see from the HDHR manager it's sending the correct
FREQ but it's sending all the channels insead of just the one.. I'm getting 38.8Mbps streamed out. Is that right? Even with that.. Shouldn't I still be able to view it without a playback error. I'm using the latest Nvidia codec.
If I just try to record a FILE.. The file is zero length!

I don't know if this should be it's own thread or not.. Andy feel free to move it if you think it should be...

Jim

EDIT: I think it had to due with the video hook drive in my ultra VNC session.. IT seems ro be recording something now.. I'll know more when I actually get home so I don't have to use VNC