HDHR/digital tuning in v6.5 & later

[Opus4]

jbuszkie: like above, if you continue to have the problem, please provide the logs, especially the native log. The debug log FAQ has all the instructions.

- Andy

[Crunch]

Crunch: would you get logs from the UI and core (if using service mode, that would be 2 logs) and the native log from that tuning problem? If that is a SageTV issue, I think we would need the logs from when you try to tune the problem channels.

- Andy

Andy,
Currently I am looking at putting my system over to 'off the air' as I am due to go overseas in a few days and the family is about to send me off without me needing a plane!

If I run into issues I may come back to sort this cable issue.

Sorry to drop the ball but family first and this has been a bit of a nightmare.

I am surprised how simple it was to use Antenna mode..... A lot easier to setup than cable.

Kevin.

[hemicuda]

Originally Posted by jbuszkie

EDIT: I think it had to due with the video hook drive in my ultra VNC session.. IT seems ro be recording something now.. I'll know more when I actually get home so I don't have to use VNC

That thing seems to cause issues w/ modern cards quite a bit. Mine would BSoD every boot until I got rid of the hook driver. Doesn't run as reliably w/o it, but at least VNC works.

[technazz]

Opus4

Any chance the new DLL can affect H.264 playback? I'm getting severe stuttering with all codecs (Arcsoft, CoreAVC, Cyberlink). This only started happening after the dll update and upgrade to 6.4.5.

Technazz

[ghostlobster]

Just a little feedback here... I folowed the instructions on the first page of this thread, using the latest drivers/firmare/beta/.dll/STV Update and it worked like a champ! I never would have thought of the "Do not use Program Guide" trick for setting up the channels. Did that, scanned, and evertyhing came in perfectly. My remove did not have a - key, so I mapped the # key as a - within LM Remote, and currently have my HDHR QAM channels mapped properly and functioning perfectly.
Thanks for the hard work on this!

[Polypro]

Originally Posted by hemicuda

That thing seems to cause issues w/ modern cards quite a bit. Mine would BSoD every boot until I got rid of the hook driver. Doesn't run as reliably w/o it, but at least VNC works.

Teamviewer has replaced xxxVNC on all my boxes, check it out.

P

[Crunch]

Andy,
I fly out tomorrow so did not want to play too much more. However I was having some signal issues with OTA, saw the updated HDHR beta2 and decided to give it one last shot. My wife and kids were going to be upset if I left them with a jitter OTA SageTV. I backed everything up so I could revert to OTA if needed.

Now I have done around 10 complete installs in the last few days so I have it down and had printed off the list of what to do and added things like when to add my usbuirt etc. Complete install means I let the MB Xpress Recovery program take me back to just the operating system installed stage. and I would start from there.

Well I got right through the HDHR scan and Sage scan. But would go to EPG and choose a program to watch and boom 'no signal' I closed and started several times and still no signal... So I removed the tuners one by one and re-entered them. That seemed to work, the channels were now working. I did this twice because I thought the first time I did something wrong and I didn't want to leave family with possible problem.

In the HDHR setup when editing the channels and using 'view' they pop up straight away. But after the Sage scan and even though it did a quick scan and said I had 20 channels, selecting a channel via EPG gave me 'no signal'. Even tried with my local area connection visible in the taskbar and waited for lineups etc to load before preceding each step.

I didn't set logs etc for you due to time constraints I am under. I now have it working fine. But this was a quick note if you get any more on this problem or for someone else looking for a solution.

My fix was after the install was finally finished I removed sources then added them again.
So for me while I got it going there were still some issues in getting the signal to show.

See you in two weeks.
Crunch

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by technazz

Any chance the new DLL can affect H.264 playback? I'm getting severe stuttering with all codecs (Arcsoft, CoreAVC, Cyberlink). This only started happening after the dll update and upgrade to 6.4.5.

I asked & got the answer I expected: DShowCapture.dll isn't used for playback. If you have the older DLL & that doesn't have stutter, then maybe it affects the recordings somehow. I suggest you follow up with a different topic and/or a bug report.

- Andy

[technazz]

Originally Posted by Opus4

I asked & got the answer I expected: DShowCapture.dll isn't used for playback. If you have the older DLL & that doesn't have stutter, then maybe it affects the recordings somehow. I suggest you follow up with a different topic and/or a bug report.

- Andy

Thats what I thought, Playback is fine in GraphEdit and WMP.

Thanks

Technazz

[rajczi]

I just wanted to let everyone know that I was able to follow the instructions on the silicondust site and here and was able to get my HDHR working fine with v6.4.5. I have installed the new dll and I had to completely remove all references to the HDHR that I had before. Fortunately, my HDHR was running on a copied channel lineup so I didn't lose my main channel mappings.

I tried 4 or 5 times to pull in the channel mappings from the files generated by the HDHR scan but was unsuccessful. For some reason, nothing I could do was able to get the channels to map correctly between the channel number and name as indicated in the file. I did very carefully correct every channel name in the HDHR software before trying the import to no avail. My final solution was to allow a new import and then remap all the channels as before which allowed me to get all 90 channels that are available over HDHR QAM in my area.

It will amazingly simplify the HDHR setup when the QAM.scn files are read correctly by Sage, but even this is a huge improvement to the old setup trying to map to channels by the same provider in the next town.

Chris

[kevine]

I have successfully setup with these instructions as well. However, I have a few channels that I did not know I had in the upper frequency range that show "No signal" in Sage but work perfectly fine in VLC. At first, I thought it was signal strength but 1 of the channels is showing 97-99% inside the Sage channel selection screen. Anyone else see this a problem with some channels?

[rajczi]

Originally Posted by kevine

I have successfully setup with these instructions as well. However, I have a few channels that I did not know I had in the upper frequency range that show "No signal" in Sage but work perfectly fine in VLC. At first, I thought it was signal strength but 1 of the channels is showing 97-99% inside the Sage channel selection screen. Anyone else see this a problem with some channels?

I have a few channels that tune in very slowly in Sage that come in just fine in VLC but my signal strength is nowhere near as high as yours. On occasion, I have a channel that doesn't tune in for live broadcast that I have to change channels and change back to get it to come in. Strangely, this never happens in recordings as far as I know.

My highest signal strength on my HDHR on any channel is around 90-92% with most around 87-88%. On my HVR-1600 these numbers for the same channels are around 85% at the top and 78% for weaker channels. Do you see this difference between your HDHR and HVR-1600 as well? Also, are you using an inline booster?

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by kevine

I have successfully setup with these instructions as well. However, I have a few channels that I did not know I had in the upper frequency range that show "No signal" in Sage but work perfectly fine in VLC. At first, I thought it was signal strength but 1 of the channels is showing 97-99% inside the Sage channel selection screen. Anyone else see this a problem with some channels?

This sort of issue has been posted several times by various people & I keep asking for debug logs, especially the native log, but no one has provided logs yet. I haven't seen this problem yet on my system, so would someone please get the logs so SageTV can look into it?

- Andy

[MeInMaui]

I thought I'd chime in with a success story.

I followed the instructions for HDHR native QAM tuning using the 20080723 HDHR software/firmware and SageTV v6.4.5. Everything worked perfectly on the first try.

I copied my TWC digital lineup to the first HDHR tuner and did a channel scan. All of the channels that I had entered the Zap2it channel number for in the HDHR software were found and automatically enabled. I then used this same lineup for the second HDHR tuner. This was so much easier that the old manual configuration.

Aloha,
Mike

[Ericft]

i was initially using remap guide number on the twc listing from zap2it and changing the **.* number to number such as 905, 950 and so forth as they correlated to the guide on the website. but i subsequently went to leaving the numbers as they appeared in hdhomerun tuner setup (##.#) and sagetv lineup found the corresponding epg channels...very similar to he numbers you would get on a qam enabled tv with cable input...12.1 and 12 for the non-HD version...so my 2 cents. leave the numbers unmapped to new guide numbers in the hdhomerun setup before applying the changes and setting up a new source in sagetv

[dgeezer]

I am also having the problem where one QAM channel will not play in SageTV but it will play in VLC. I am running 6.4.5 and the latest HDhomerun Beta. I did have to manually enter my channel numbers in the column in the hdhomerun setup in order to get them to scan in Sage. I am showing 98% signal on all the channels except this one problem channel. I am running Vista and SageMC.

I have included my logs as well as one of the two .scn files (they are identical).
I Started SageTV and tried to tune to channel 530 - black screen
then tuned channel 520 - played fine
back to 530 - black screen no sound.

The progress bar shows progress and a green zone as if it is recording but never any palyback. It is only this channel, all the others work fine.

[Conejo]

dgeezer,

07/28/2008 16:31:25 Loaded '6' tuning data from 'Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-1-0-QAM-frq'
07/28/2008 16:31:26 Can't open 'Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-0-0-QAM-frq' to load scan data for tuner.

Check to make sure you have a QAM.frq file for each tuner.

Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-0-0-QAM.frq
Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-1-0-QAM.frq

CH:11 major:1008 minor:536 prog:3 phy:93 frq:637250000 mod:0 #:WCWGDT
CH:12 major:1008 minor:530 prog:45 phy:93 frq:637250000 mod:0 #:WXLVDT

These two channels are on the same stream, can you tune channel 536?

What zip code are you in? I wanted to see what QAM assignment WXLVDT had on your cable system.

Can you tune these QAM channels with your Happauge Digital Tuner?

[Conejo]

Originally Posted by Ericft

but i subsequently went to leaving the numbers as they appeared in hdhomerun tuner setup (##.#) and sagetv lineup found the corresponding epg channels...very similar to he numbers you would get on a qam enabled tv with cable input...12.1 and 12 for the non-HD version...so my 2 cents. leave the numbers unmapped to new guide numbers in the hdhomerun setup before applying the changes and setting up a new source in sagetv

I think this is an individual preference. People familiar with their STB cable lineup probably like similar numbers. Likewise, if they're OTA or direct QAM customers they like the dotted channels. They work either way. That's why the HDHR setup allows the entry.

[Opus4]

If there are scn files with no matching frq file, don't forget that you should do a scan inside SageTV to get the frq file created.

- Andy

[dgeezer]

Originally Posted by Conejo

dgeezer,

Check to make sure you have a QAM.frq file for each tuner.

Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-0-0-QAM.frq
Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-1-0-QAM.frq

I did go back and do a scan on the 0-0 tuner in SageTV. I do have a .frq file for each tuner now. I aslo have 2 other .frq files which are named
QAMScan-Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-0-0-QAM.frq
QAMScan-Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10137D33-1-0-QAM.frq

Are these two files nescessary or should they be deleted.

These two channels are on the same stream, can you tune channel 536?

Yes

What zip code are you in? I wanted to see what QAM assignment WXLVDT had on your cable system.

27403

Can you tune these QAM channels with your Happauge Digital Tuner?

No. I have never been able to tune this station with any QAM tuner in my PC. I heard once that there was some contract dispute between this station and Time Warner. However, since I can view this station (530) fine in VLC I was thinking that I should also recieve it in SageTV. However, this may not be a SageTV problem at all.