Let Sage know you want EVR support

[Jesse]

Hi,

I was informed by support that EVR is a priority. A big priority.

Jesse

[GollyJer]

Originally Posted by Jesse

Hi,

I was informed by support that EVR is a priority. A big priority.

Jesse

Ah hah! So it's working.

[LehighBri]

I recently noticed a new download out there called EVRPlay that seems to be a new playback mechanism which uses EVR. Very interesting...

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/down...do=file&id=253

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by LehighBri

I recently noticed a new download out there called EVRPlay that seems to be a new playback mechanism which uses EVR. Very interesting...

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/down...do=file&id=253

I wanted to see how hard it was to swap VMR for EVR

It's not that remote friendly yet, but if you have any feedback I'd love to hear it.

[mkanet]

I think the problem SageTV has is not simply swapping the renderer... or they would have dont that a year ago. It's supporting 3D rendered graphics over it (ie sageTV interface while there's video).

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by babgvant

I wanted to see how hard it was to swap VMR for EVR

It's not that remote friendly yet, but if you have any feedback I'd love to hear it.

Hey Andy,

Is there any way you could make a SageTV Media Player Plugin using your work so far? According to that thread, you can use this interface to make an alternate media player. I wonder if this is how SageTVPlayer.exe, which I guess is just a modified mplayer, is implemented.

Originally Posted by mkanet

I think the problem SageTV has is not simply swapping the renderer... or they would have dont that a year ago. It's supporting 3D rendered graphics over it (ie sageTV interface while there's video).

If they can put their OSD over SageTVPlayer/mplayer, why couldn't it be done with a different player that uses EVR? From the thread I linked to above

IMPORTANT NOTE:
The full SageTV UI can be exported to remote locations or devices by using this plugin along with the SageTV Input plugin and the SageTV OSD Rendering plugin. These 3 interfaces provide all that is needed to get the SageTV UI running on a Media Adapter or Media Extender or simillar device. An example of this can be seen in the Hauppauge MediaMVP plugin available here: http://www.streams.ch/

[mkanet]

Same reason why it took over a year for SagTV to support VMR when it was first introduce as opposed to overlay.

Originally Posted by redondo_se

If they can put their OSD over SageTVPlayer/mplayer, why couldn't it be done with a different player that uses EVR? From the thread I linked to above

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by mkanet

I think the problem SageTV has is not simply swapping the renderer... or they would have dont that a year ago. It's supporting 3D rendered graphics over it (ie sageTV interface while there's video).

I didn't mean to imply that it should be easy for them. Even just swapping the renderer isn't as simple as it sounds. The EVR is very different than VMR, even in my simple player it took a while to make it work properly.

I have no idea how they draw the controls over the video, depending on their approach it could be easy or hard (if it's all custom rendering). Drawing windows with their own controls over a video isn't that difficult (the approach I'm taking in the next rev).

EVRPlay was born more out of frustration with Media Center's lack of flexibility (e.g. getting MKV to play is a challenge) than any shortcomings in Sage. I wanted to watch some HD MKV rips on my laptop (no Sage) and when I couldn't get them to play right in MC, it seemed like an interesting thing to mess with. Exposing Sage's content via the webserver was a natural extension to the application once the playback stuff got sorted out.

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by redondo_se

Hey Andy,

Is there any way you could make a SageTV Media Player Plugin using your work so far? According to that thread, you can use this interface to make an alternate media player. I wonder if this is how SageTVPlayer.exe, which I guess is just a modified mplayer, is implemented.



If they can put their OSD over SageTVPlayer/mplayer, why couldn't it be done with a different player that uses EVR? From the thread I linked to above

I didn't know this was possible so I haven't looked at it.

They are working on EVR support (I think it's planned for 6.5) being new to Sage, I don't know how long it is b/w releases but it doesn't seem like it should be that far off.

[OldPCGUY]

MY system
ASUS M2NE
AMD 5600
ATI 3850 Dual HDMI Outputs
4G Ram
4 Terabytes
Sage 6.4.8
AC3
Hauppauge 1800 for ATSC captures
Windows XP 32bit

VRM9 + HD = Video Tearing (a line in the screen where the above and below video are not aligned)

Overlay + HD= Clean Video with no Tearing (Much bigger embedded CC font than VRM9).

I think everyone would be happy if we could have VRM9 with no tearing.
I am for the quickest solution that gets us there for a quick fix.

Even a software knob where I could change the phase of that Vsync to the bottom of the screen would be fine.

Long term I am okay with EVR or anything Sage could do that would be equivalent.

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by OldPCGUY

Windows XP 32bit

We need EVR for Vista. For some stupid reason, you can't get H.264 acceleration with any decoder in Vista without EVR.

Vista + No EVR = No H.264 Acceleration = Crappy H.264 picture

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by redondo_se

We need EVR for Vista. For some stupid reason, you can't get H.264 acceleration with any decoder in Vista without EVR.

Vista + No EVR = No H.264 Acceleration = Crappy H.264 picture

EVR looks great (better than VMR9 or Overlay) for other sources too.

[Taddeusz]

I've tried out EVRPlay but no matter what I do I can't seem to get it to attach to any of my filters. I always get the error message:

Error: The Source filter for this file could not be loaded.

I just downloaded 1.0.0.4 and get the same problem. And I just tried a few more file types. MPG files recorded by my HDHR or PVR150 seem to play fine. But my HD-PVR recordings and my MKV DVD/BD conversions won't play and both receive that error.

The system I'm running it on is my client system in my sig with Vista Ultimate x64 if that helps.

[babgvant]

I'd guess that you don't have any x64 filters capable of decoding the a/v streams or loading the file in the case of mkv.

The application isn't compiled to force a platform, but you can modify the assembly by doing this.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by babgvant

I'd guess that you don't have any x64 filters capable of decoding the a/v streams or loading the file in the case of mkv.

The application isn't compiled to force a platform, but you can modify the assembly by doing this.

Thank you! After a little bit of trial and tribulation with the Windows SDK I was finally able to get the 32bit flag changed on the executable. I can't wait to get home and really try it out. Video just doesn't work that well through Remote Desktop.

[babgvant]

I'll probably change the compile setting for the next rev to force x86, there aren't enough x64 filters to really worry about supporting it.

[tledford]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

Thank you! After a little bit of trial and tribulation with the Windows SDK I was finally able to get the 32bit flag changed on the executable. I can't wait to get home and really try it out. Video just doesn't work that well through Remote Desktop.

It eliminated the "Error: The source filter for this file could not be loaded" error and instead I get an error stating "Error: Index was outside the bounds of the array" on any attempt to open a .ts file produced by the HD PVR.

The ArcSoft decoder does show up in the settings dialog under preferred filters.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by tledford

It eliminated the "Error: The source filter for this file could not be loaded" error and instead I get an error stating "Error: Index was outside the bounds of the array" on any attempt to open a .ts file produced by the HD PVR.

The ArcSoft decoder does show up in the settings dialog under preferred filters.

I was getting that with my MKV files. I prefer to use the Cyberlink H.264 Decoder. To fix it I had to add .mkv along with the CLSID for my preferred decoder and it worked. I actually ended up changing it to the Arcsoft decoder because I thought it would fix a problem with the menus not going away. But it didn't.

[babgvant]

It would probably be easier to address these issues if you start a thread per issue on my site (http://babgvant.com/forums/35.aspx).

Please include the log file so I can see what's going on.

[mkanet]

I've had hardware acceleration with Cyberlink H.264 video decoders for over a year now (version 7, and now 8); both in SageTV and WMP using under Vista32. (using TS containers).

Originally Posted by redondo_se

We need EVR for Vista. For some stupid reason, you can't get H.264 acceleration with any decoder in Vista without EVR.

Vista + No EVR = No H.264 Acceleration = Crappy H.264 picture