SageTv with Dish Network - Frustrated

[desisinger1]

Hello All,

I just got Dish Network.
The new setup that they have is only first room gets the receiver and the second room just runs of channel 73.

Now i have the TV hooked to the vip622 receiver in one room and the second room there is no TV. I attempted to setup SageTV in the second room, but unsuccessful.

Below is what I have: AMD64 processor, M2N-plus sli motherboard, 2 GB RAM, 320 GB SATA HD and Hauppauge PVR-350.

I installed the SageTV trial version (21 days free trial) and completed the setup, but it keeps showing 'No Signal'.
Now I'm not sure if I had it setup correctly. I also tried to go to channel 73, but no signal message.

Can anyone help me? Does anyone have Dish Network scenario like I have ?
I'm little frustrated, and any help is appreciated.

Thanks.

[AtariJeff]

How is your receiver connected to your SageTV PC ?
How are you changing channels on the receiver ?
Is your TV connected to your PC or TV ?

Need more input Steph-a-nie (Sorry nerd joke)

[tedson]

with a 622 you have to make sure you have it setup to send the signal to the other tv and there was extra coax and a combiner if I remember right that was needed to get it all to work. Plus if you put it in dual room mode then each room gets one tuner and if the built in DVR is recording something you cant watch anything else. If you put in in single room mode then you can watch one thing while recording something else, but the sage box will only be able to record the same thing the person is watching in the other room.

Right now I have two 211s hooked into hd-pvr boxes with a sagetv machine and a usbuirt to controll them. Then in the other rooms in the house I have sage hd extenders. In some ways its better you get all your dvds, home videos, tv and recorded tv available on all the tvs in the house. But be warned its still pretty flakey. Dish boxes get set to the wrong channels sometimes, changing channels is really slow, the extenders can lock up or reboot sometimes, the guides doesnt mark first runs right all the times, etc. And the setup to get to where I am now took a LOT of tweaking and messing with settings files, etc.

But on the flip side, my 622 in the den corrupts recording from time to time, has to be hard rebooted etc.

If sage would polish all the rough edges off their offering and make them work with satellite boxes easier. Going with Sage would be a no brainier. But as it stands my wife refuses to give up the 622 in the den. Just a warning for you.

[jerryt]

Originally Posted by tedson

But as it stands my wife refuses to give up the 622 in the den.

We should have a poll!

Does your wife 1) USE 2) TOLERATE or 3) HATE Sage?

[tedson]

Mine uses it, but not for TV. She will switch over to the extender on that tv to look at home movies, stored dvds, etc. but she cant stand the tv / dvr functionality. I would so like to simplify my life by getting rid of the 622 and just having hd extenders everywhere, but its just not quite there yet.

[desisinger1]

Originally Posted by AtariJeff

How is your receiver connected to your SageTV PC ?
How are you changing channels on the receiver ?
Is your TV connected to your PC or TV ?

Need more input Steph-a-nie (Sorry nerd joke)

Nerd jokes are good...

Okay this is how DISH is setup at home:

Room 1: Have a receiver vip722 before the TV.
Room 2: No receiver - the cable wire just goes to the TV. TV is tuned to channel 73. The DISH remote is used to operate the TV. With the remote if I turn the cable off, I get channel 73. When the cable is turned on, I get the DISH Channels and I use the DISH remote to change channels.

Room 3: Have a receiver vip622 before the TV.
Room 4: Just has the cable wire. This is where I have my desktop running Sage TV.

Now to keep in mind is that the cable for Room 2 and Room 4 is not connected to the receiver of Room 1 and Room 3.
The TV works fine in Room 2.

Please let me know if more info is needed from my side.
I would love to get SageTV setup instead of me putting a new TV.

Thanks to all

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by desisinger1

Nerd jokes are good...

Okay this is how DISH is setup at home:

Room 1: Have a receiver vip722 before the TV.
Room 2: No receiver - the cable wire just goes to the TV. TV is tuned to channel 73. The DISH remote is used to operate the TV. With the remote if I turn the cable off, I get channel 73. When the cable is turned on, I get the DISH Channels and I use the DISH remote to change channels.

Room 3: Have a receiver vip622 before the TV.
Room 4: Just has the cable wire. This is where I have my desktop running Sage TV.

Now to keep in mind is that the cable for Room 2 and Room 4 is not connected to the receiver of Room 1 and Room 3.
The TV works fine in Room 2.

Please let me know if more info is needed from my side.
I would love to get SageTV setup instead of me putting a new TV.

Thanks to all

The problem is, is that you can't really use the dual tuner boxes with Sage. How can Sage change the channel from an STB that is not in the room (I know the remote uses RF signals, but no current solution exists for computers to interact with the RF signals). What is recommend is Sage to use VIP211's and 311's and dedicate them to the Sage box and some sort of IR blaster (usually the USBUIRT). In my house I have 3 dishnetwork boxes sitting next to my server in the basement all connected to my server and a USBUIRT to change the channels on those receivers. Then all my tv's have some sort of Media Extender (whether it be a MediaMVP or HD100) and that is how we view television from our satellite.

The best you could do at this point, is that you should be able to hook the coax cable to a Sage tuner. Tune that tuner to channel 73 (are you sure it is channel 73?) and watch whatever you manually select with the remote. Unfortunately this negates the DVR and only makes your Sage box a glorified tuner as you have to manually pick whatever channel Sage is going to record.

[opy01]

They tried to sell me the dual tuner but I insisted on the 2 seperate tuners because of that. See if they will swap your dual tunner out for two singles or just look on ebay for the Dish 301 receiver ( depending on your plan).

[desisinger1]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

The problem is, is that you can't really use the dual tuner boxes with Sage. How can Sage change the channel from an STB that is not in the room (I know the remote uses RF signals, but no current solution exists for computers to interact with the RF signals). What is recommend is Sage to use VIP211's and 311's and dedicate them to the Sage box and some sort of IR blaster (usually the USBUIRT). In my house I have 3 dishnetwork boxes sitting next to my server in the basement all connected to my server and a USBUIRT to change the channels on those receivers. Then all my tv's have some sort of Media Extender (whether it be a MediaMVP or HD100) and that is how we view television from our satellite.

The best you could do at this point, is that you should be able to hook the coax cable to a Sage tuner. Tune that tuner to channel 73 (are you sure it is channel 73?) and watch whatever you manually select with the remote. Unfortunately this negates the DVR and only makes your Sage box a glorified tuner as you have to manually pick whatever channel Sage is going to record.

If I understand it right. With my current situation, I can still use SageTV ?
I understand that I need to manually record the channel.
How do I tune the Tuner (Hauppuage PVR-350) to channel 73?
I'm not even sure if I'm setting up SageTV correctly, as I kept getting No Signal for different settings I tried.

Thank you

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by desisinger1

If I understand it right. With my current situation, I can still use SageTV ?
I understand that I need to manually record the channel.
How do I tune the Tuner (Hauppuage PVR-350) to channel 73?
I'm not even sure if I'm setting up SageTV correctly, as I kept getting No Signal for different settings I tried.

Thank you

You should be able to create a "fake" input channel that will tune the tuner to 73. I also believe there is a way to force your tuner to channel 73, but its been a looonnggg time since I tried that.