'Ghosting' on OSD with overlay, colour keying disabled....

[nielm]

I use Overlay video rendering mode (my GFX card can't do VMR)

With a transparent OSD overlay, the text is near-unreadable, and the video stutters when the OSD is active

To disable this I disable 'Overlay colour keying' in the setup. The problem now is that I get 'ghosting' on the OSD: it seems that each OSD frame fades out over the next 5 seconds... This is a bit annoying, and appears to use extra CPU (which my EPIA M10000 -- equiv 500Mhz P2 -- can not afford)

Image attached with 2 examples.

[linkster99]

I'm having that problem as well, but only in the Mp3 jukebox, when the visualization is the background and I'm looking through albums. I haven't experimented with settings to see if anything gets rid of it, yet.

[Opus4]

If you've disabled Overlay Color Keying, disable 3D Acceleration too & the ghosting/fading goes away.

- Andy

[nielm]

Without 3d accelleration, drawing and scrolling of the TV guide (and other complex menus such as detailed setup) takes several seconds on a M10000 (Ok maybe several seconds may be an exaggeration, but a non-trivial amount of time: enough to think that the remote did not register the keypress so you press again and then have to wait twice!)

[TunaBoo]

Mine fixed when I switched to the Cyberlink Codec, and use overlay + hardware accel.

Try a few different setups.

[nielm]

I am using the cyberlink codec, HW accel and overlay...

[TunaBoo]

Originally posted by nielm
I am using the cyberlink codec, HW accel and overlay...

What video card and driver version?

[kny3twalker]

I get it with default video rendering and cinemaster decoder
but cine is fine with vmr 9 and overlay, huh???

[turak]

Originally posted by nielm
I use Overlay video rendering mode (my GFX card can't do VMR)

It's probably not the GFX card that can't do VMR. It's the cyberlink decoders that you are using. On both my client and server NVDVD 2.55 decoders look as good as cyberlink and can handle VMR9. I would get ghosting while using 3d accel and overlay. I get none with VMR9 and 3d accel. If you do try the NVDVD decoder don't use it's audo decoder. The NVDVD audio decoder tends to cause problems. Oh and you may need to completely exit sagetv and restart it after switching. I did.

Edit:
When I posted this I misread your post and thought you had a GeForce FX.

[nielm]

my GFX card _really_ doesn't do VMR9 in hardware, and I use Win2K sono VMR7 either.

I have tried (in the past): Cyberlink, NVDVD Intervideo (both full and Hauppauge's version) and none of them can do hardware decoding with VMR9, and with VMR9+software decoding I get 5 frames/sec at 100%CPU I spend a lot of time playing with graphedit until I realised that the VMR9 was being *emulated* by DirectX in software -- I would get 100%CPU and very few FPS even when playing low res MJPEG video!

So, I am stuck with overlay...

I have a Via EPIA M10000 mini-itx integrated motherboard (with integrated VIA/S3 CLE266 UniChrome graphics chipset) which has very few 3d capabilities, and certainly is not DX9 compatible - hence no VMR9 - and a 1Ghz C3 CPU - equivalent to a 600Mhz Pentium 2.
Drivers are v6.14.1.6, running ay 800x600

PS When I said that the text is near-unreadable on transparent overlay, it is because 2 pixels of white on a balck background don't give enough contrast to read on a TV-out display.

[jhh]

Hi,

I'm using EPIA M9000 and have the same issue. The boad is slow but consumes hardly any energy and is near silent. We are relying on the hauppauge board and the hardware video acceleration to do the work.

Nielm,

I think you should be able to switch off hardware accel. CPU usage will go up to about 70% while playing. Recording takes about 8%. I will do some more testing later this week.

Regards,
Jan

[RenHoek]

Another Epia M10000 user chiming in...

Same problem here (it's new w/.14 Beta - at least I didn't notice it on v.13Beta). I haven't tried turning off 3D acc. yet, but for me, the ghosting is bearable. It kinda obscures the time slider numbers as they count up, being superimposed on each other for about 3 seconds.

I also noticed that I just get a black screen if I run the Intervideo decoder with Color Keying enabled. That's what I was running in v.13 -- just fine, btw -- and when I upgraded to v.14 I had to fiddle around with it to find out how to get it back working: Turn off Color Keying. I found that running the Sonic decoder gives me dropped frames occationally, especially when coming out of a FF or FF2.

[jhh]

>If you've disabled Overlay Color Keying, disable 3D
>Acceleration too & the ghosting/fading goes away.

On the EPIA system disabling overlay color keying is enough. Hardware accelaration can stay on.

Disadvantage is that in some cases when video does not fill full screen you don't get black around but the Sage menu

p.s.: I like the new look but in general most operations take a few buttons more than in version 1.