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[Crazedz]

Oh my look what i did J/K


Seriously wow this is great the whole epg thing was getting me to but allias i would have ended up getting Sagetv with or without a free guide as i really have to have the dual tv option. Sorry i gotta be truthfull here on this.


But this is great to hear about the plugin ability of Sagetv it makes it even better. Im just glad that this is going to happen and would love to give it a try when it is ready for to go if possible.

[SHS]

This is real surprised
http://www.shspvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2495

[Lester Jacobs]

Originally posted by SHS
This is real surprised
http://www.shspvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2495

Excellent! When you said "soon" I didn't realize you were talking about mere hours. I will definitely test this thoroughly this weekend. Saves me the hassle of writing my own plugin.

If this works. I'll be buying Sage TV asap.

Finally I'll be able to use my Creative card the way it was meant to be used!

Thanks a bunch!
Lester

[Crazedz]

Yeah it works takes a few steps to setup. But once it is it works well and the data is accurate but their are some spots that show as no data.

[Crazedz]

Ok i got some questions on this it appears the intellengent recordings have decided that i like recordings on 76 techtv right off the bat and seems to default to recording shows on that channel even ones i haven't watched with sagetv before which is wierd. So how does it go about deciding what it thinks i like to watch and what it thinks i want to watch so quickly? Not that im arguing with some of the stuff it picks but it picked them out almost as soon as the guide was setup before i had a chance to tell it anything.

Also i have seen some spots showing up as no data one in particular is a show my kid likes to watch on cartoon network which is on at the same time everyday but the guide shows it as no data everytime however other shows before and after it on the same channel showup. I have checked the xmltv data file and found the the info is their in the data file name and all but it just wont showup in the guide. Is their anyway to fix these so they will show up?

[dkardatzke]

Your problems sound related to the data through the XMLTV plugin. Keep in mind that we use the most robust data source available (Zap2it) to drive the power of SageTV. Once you use a different data source, we can no longer support any issues related to using that source. We have not tested the plugin, nor will we provide any support for using it.

With regards to Intelligent Recording, SageTV is trying to form a basis off some limited watch history. Give it some time before it can start to formalize a better profile for you.

[Narflex]

The one bit of advice I can give is that the EPG DB for SageTV will remove any overlappig airings. So if you add one that overlaps with a pre-exisitng one, the pre-existing one is automatically removed. This is for reasons of updating, since the schedule can change with time.

The 'no data' cells are automatically inserted anywhere that there is no data. So most likely the show that's missing was added, but then another show that overlaps with it caused it to be removed. So check for any overlaps, and also just to make sure the data for the show that's missing is in fact correct itself.

[mlar]

The reason you will see "No Data" is because the XMLTV data for North America is sometimes missing the stop attribute. Rather than assuming that the show runs until the start of the next one, it's simply dropped from the EPG. I thought this was an isolated issue that only happened at the end of a channels scheduled programming for the day (like the Sign Off "show"), so I didn't bother with it. I'll look at it again.

[Lester Jacobs]

I used mlar's EPG PLugin to import listings and that works great. However, I went ahead and modified the plugin source in order to resolve the channels to the correct tuner channel to avoid the remapping step (mlar's code wasn't doing that since he wanted to be more generic).

My modified code works fine except for one little problem. I can look at the guide data, all the channels are tied to the correct tuner channel, but I cannot view the TV. What I mean is that if I'm on the guide data screen and I click the TV icon, nothing happens.

I realize that the EPG import is completely unsupported but does anyone have an idea what might be going wrong here?

Regards
Lester

[dkardatzke]

The TV icon will only work if you are currently recording or watching something. If you just started SageTV and it wasn't recording anything nor have you watched anything yet, it won't know where to go. At that point, you have to choose something to watch from the SageGuide.

[olyar15]

Lester, any chance you coud send me a copy of the modified plugin? I would like to try this out, as I am also in Canada.

[Lester Jacobs]

Originally posted by olyar15
Lester, any chance you coud send me a copy of the modified plugin? I would like to try this out, as I am also in Canada.

Well, since it's not really my code, I'm working with mlar to release a generic version that works for everyone. That way we avoid having lots of different versions of the same thing which avoids a lot of confusion. Hang tight for a little while longer...

Cheers
Lester

[Lester Jacobs]

Originally posted by dkardatzke
The TV icon will only work if you are currently recording or watching something. If you just started SageTV and it wasn't recording anything nor have you watched anything yet, it won't know where to go. At that point, you have to choose something to watch from the SageGuide.

Thanks! This worked. The restriction that I have to choose something from the Sage Guide seems a little unintuitive though. Intuitively I would expect that if I clicked on the TV icon I would always get to the TV. It should either go back to the channel that I was watching last or, if it doesn't know where to go, then simply pick an initial channel (say the lowest numbered tuner channel). Simply doing nothing confuses the user, IMHO. Perhaps at the very least it could display a dialog saying something like "Please choose a show from the Guide".

Cheers
Lester

[dkardatzke]

Thanks for the input Lester. We are currently working on a complete UI redesign for v2.0 so we'll keep that in mind to see how it fits in.

[Narflex]

Dan's actually incorrect on that one.

It does already do what you're asking Lester. If you hit TV, it should always go to the TV. It will find a default channel and show something if there's nothing preselected.

[Lester Jacobs]

Originally posted by Narflex
Dan's actually incorrect on that one.

It does already do what you're asking Lester. If you hit TV, it should always go to the TV. It will find a default channel and show something if there's nothing preselected.

Well, it doesn't seem to do that in my install. Here's the scenario under which it doesn't work:

1) Install Sage TV
2) Setup Sage TV but do not select Sage TV Service
3) Complete setup and exit Sage TV
4) Modify sage.properties file to point to the EPG plugin
5) Restart Sage TV and run Setup
6) This time setup Sage TV Service at which point Sage TV will use the EPG Plugin to get the listings data
7) Complete setup
8) Click the TV button
9) Nothing happens

However if at this point you go to the Sage Guide and choose something to watch then the TV does appear.

I do believe however that once you have gotten the TV to appear once then you can subsequently always get to the TV by clicking the TV button. It seems that this weird behaviour occurs only after a fresh listings import.

It's not a critical error, but it can be confusing.

Cheers
Lester

[Lester Jacobs]

Originally posted by Crazedz
...Also i have seen some spots showing up as no data one in particular is a show my kid likes to watch on cartoon network which is on at the same time everyday but the guide shows it as no data everytime however other shows before and after it on the same channel showup. I have checked the xmltv data file and found the the info is their in the data file name and all but it just wont showup in the guide. Is their anyway to fix these so they will show up?

One of the tools included in the xmltv distro is the tv_sort utility. Among other things, it will fix the "no data" problem. Usually the "no data" problem results when there is no "stop" attribute in the xmltv data. tv_sort adds stop times by "guessing" using the start time of the next show.

So run tv_grab_na or whatever then run tv_sort on the resulting output.

Cheers
Lester

[Crazedz]

Originally posted by Lester Jacobs
One of the tools included in the xmltv distro is the tv_sort utility. Among other things, it will fix the "no data" problem. Usually the "no data" problem results when there is no "stop" attribute in the xmltv data. tv_sort adds stop times by "guessing" using the start time of the next show.

So run tv_grab_na or whatever then run tv_sort on the resulting output.

Cheers
Lester

Ok i gave that a try and it did seem to look through the file and dumped a list of the shows without stop times at the end but it didn't write it to the file. I think i may have given the wrong command to do this or something. It's kinda hard to know as im not used to giving commands through a command line or batch file. But anyway here's the bat file listing maybe you can see where i went wrong.

set tz=CST6CDT
xmltv tv_grab_na --configure
xmltv tv_grab_na --days 8 --listings-overwrite true --listings "C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\xmltv-0.5.9-win32\listings.tmp"
xmltv tv_sort "C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\xmltv-0.5.9-win32\listings.tmp"
copy "C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\xmltv-0.5.9-win32\listings.tmp" "C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\epgdata.xml"

it runs through and downloads the data fine then it runs the sort command which appears to work and displays the shows without stop times but then doesn't change the file it just copies the tmp to the sage folder as xml file with lack of stop times on the shows still their.

[Lester Jacobs]

Originally posted by Crazedz
...xmltv tv_sort "C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\xmltv-0.5.9-win32\listings.tmp"
...

You need to use the --output <filename> option to get tv_sort to write the modified file instead of displaying it to screen. So you would do something like:

xmltv tv_grab_na --days 8 --listings foo.xml
xmltv tv_sort --output sorted_foo.xml foo.xml
copy sorted_foo.xml <sage_dir>

Cheers
Lester

[Crazedz]

Thanks lester that seems to have done it i'll have to give it a test to see if it fixes the nodata listings in the guide now.