Windows 64 bit Installer news

[alland]

I have migrated to a fresh install of 64 bit on some new, more powerful hardware. 2GB heap on Java. It’s been very stable over the last month, but I do notice at times the UI is sluggish, more times with spinning circle, especially when doing things like deleting files.

Looks promising !

[wnjj]

Originally Posted by alland

I have migrated to a fresh install of 64 bit on some new, more powerful hardware. 2GB heap on Java. It’s been very stable over the last month, but I do notice at times the UI is sluggish, more times with spinning circle, especially when doing things like deleting files.

Looks promising !

What version of Java are you running? Maybe it’s time to try G1GC again? You can test it by setting the environment variable as in this thread: https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...92&postcount=2

Garbage collection can cause pauses and there’s more work to do with 64-bit sized objects.

[JREkiwi]

Originally Posted by wnjj

Maybe it’s time to try G1GC again? You can test it by setting the environment variable as in this thread: https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...92&postcount=2

I'm using this setting on JAVA 1.8.0_201 without issues

-XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UseStringDeduplication -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:+ExplicitGCInvokesConcurrent -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200

But in reality for the heap sizes that most people are using, CMS is probably more suitable. Maybe we could have a mechanism of checking the JAVA heap max in the registry and use G1GC or CMS based on a size threshold.

John

[jt4242]

I don't know if this has anything to do with the 64bit version but I can no longer enter text into my HD300 using the remote - only numbers get entered...no more cycling through the different entering options?

I've searched but can find no mention of this - I was trying to enter a city name for darksky city location in the weather plugin and couldn't and I could not find anywhere to edit a file in order to do it manually.

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by jt4242

I don't know if this has anything to do with the 64bit version but I can no longer enter text into my HD300 using the remote - only numbers get entered...no more cycling through the different entering options?

I've searched but can find no mention of this - I was trying to enter a city name for darksky city location in the weather plugin and couldn't and I could not find anywhere to edit a file in order to do it manually.

The pause button should cycle through those input options.

k

[jt4242]

Oh my gosh - THANK YOU!! I think I tried every other key on the remote but that one!

[alland]

Originally Posted by JREkiwi

I'm using this setting on JAVA 1.8.0_201 without issues

-XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UseStringDeduplication -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:+ExplicitGCInvokesConcurrent -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200

But in reality for the heap sizes that most people are using, CMS is probably more suitable. Maybe we could have a mechanism of checking the JAVA heap max in the registry and use G1GC or CMS based on a size threshold.

John

John

I tried this environment variable but cant detect any improvement. Java heap rarely goes over 1GB anyway. A repeatable area where I get spinning circle is when scrolling through the Recordings menu. After a while it starts spinning and takes 20-30 seconds to resolve. Often deleting a recording starts the spinning too. I wonder if the problem is to do with size of Recordings list - about 500 items. Also I'm using an HD300 extender.

[JREkiwi]

Originally Posted by alland

I tried this environment variable but cant detect any improvement. Java heap rarely goes over 1GB anyway. A repeatable area where I get spinning circle is when scrolling through the Recordings menu. After a while it starts spinning and takes 20-30 seconds to resolve. Often deleting a recording starts the spinning too. I wonder if the problem is to do with size of Recordings list - about 500 items. Also I'm using an HD300 extender.

I wouldn't really have expected a noticeable difference. G1GC is really designed for heaps > 6GB.

You could try shutting down SageTV on the server and changing a setting in sage.properties as per this thread

ui/load_images_with_awt_toolkit=false

That has a made a noticeable difference for me.

John

[routerunner]

Originally Posted by JREkiwi

I wouldn't really have expected a noticeable difference. G1GC is really designed for heaps > 6GB.

You could try shutting down SageTV on the server and changing a setting in sage.properties as per this thread

ui/load_images_with_awt_toolkit=false

That has a made a noticeable difference for me.

John

John, that's very interesting, do you reckon that it is worth for STV 7 as well?

Eddy

[JREkiwi]

Originally Posted by routerunner

John, that's very interesting, do you reckon that it is worth for STV 7 as well?

Eddy, it's certainly worth a try. It's not like you can't easily change the setting back to true.

John

[alland]

Originally Posted by JREkiwi

I wouldn't really have expected a noticeable difference. G1GC is really designed for heaps > 6GB.

You could try shutting down SageTV on the server and changing a setting in sage.properties as per this thread

ui/load_images_with_awt_toolkit=false

That has a made a noticeable difference for me.

John

Thanks John, Tried this change. I can still cause 30+ second pauses by scrolling through the Recorded TV lists, but will see if it improves in general use.

[KryptoNyte]

Originally Posted by alland

Thanks John, Tried this change. I can still cause 30+ second pauses by scrolling through the Recorded TV lists, but will see if it improves in general use.

Are you recording to a solid state drive?

[Pelicanjoe]

I keep on having my video source halt because a channel that is not even listed on the channel set up page is attempted to record. I've removed all reference of that channel from the sagetv properties file an restarted, but that channel still keeps coming up. Anyone know where I need to remove this channel? It is not in the channel setup. This only started happening after I installed the new 64 bit Windows program.

Thanks!

Joe

[Galaxysurfer]

I am running v 9.2.1.826. Everything seems to be going okay with one exception. I am using gemstone ui & it doesn't seem to save my customization settings. After setting my preferences for menu it seems to forget them after awhile. I had edited which menu items were visible. Other than that I don't seem to notice any other changes from the 32 bit version that need adjustment. Keep up the good work!

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by Galaxysurfer

I am running v 9.2.1.826. Everything seems to be going okay with one exception. I am using gemstone ui & it doesn't seem to save my customization settings. After setting my preferences for menu it seems to forget them after awhile. I had edited which menu items were visible. Other than that I don't seem to notice any other changes from the 32 bit version that need adjustment. Keep up the good work!

What OS are u on?

Also, can you post the sagetv and gemstone logs from right after editing a menu.

k

[guho]

I just upgraded from 9.1.10 (32 bit of course) to 9.2.1 x64. Did house cleaning by first upgrading hdhomerun software and OpenDCT to latest x64 version and getting latest 8.x x64 Java JRE. Migrated properties files by massive search/replace of Program Files (x86) to Program Files. Got everything working. Was annoyed no weather until I realized Plugin Weather NWS fixes it. Now I am up and running and happy. Upped heap to 0x800. Thanks team!

PS: only annoying thing is the x64 client installer throws error messages about not being able to set registry keys. I have to choose 'ignore' and it installs anyway but fairly disconcerting. Happens even when running as administrator.

[Galaxysurfer]

Sorry I didn't followup earlier. My comment was for win 10 64 bit. I am in the process of reloading the latest version of server on linux so will update on that as well.

[alland]

Originally Posted by alland

Thanks John, Tried this change. I can still cause 30+ second pauses by scrolling through the Recorded TV lists, but will see if it improves in general use.

Just an update on my sometimes sluggish UI performance. Tonight I enabled the hidden menus feature (5309 on the system information menu).

Much to my surprise the UI scrolling of recordings etc is now much faster and I’m not seeing the rotating wait circle. Curiously the Total Heap size has gone over 1gb which I don’t usually see very often.

Coincidence ? I don’t know, but if it has resolved only downside of the update to 64bit then I’m happy !

[RonBoyd]

Originally Posted by alland

Tonight I enabled the hidden menus feature (5309 on the system information menu).

Where do I find the "system information menu"? "Hidden menus" sounds intriguing. (I experience the same "sluggishness.")

[gordyp]

Originally Posted by RonBoyd

Where do I find the "system information menu"? "Hidden menus" sounds intriguing. (I experience the same "sluggishness.")

If you go to Setup > System Information and type '5309' (sans quotes) you will get a message box telling you that these options are no longer 'hidden', but can be configured from the 'Customize' section of Detailed Setup. It will still give you the option to Enable/Disable the Extra Options here, or take you right to the Detailed Setup section... better to go to the Detailed Setup screen to enable this, as enabling it here turns on several Malore options which I do not care for...

Hope this helps.