Windows XP SP2 Poll

mightyt · #1 09-19-2004, 10:54 PM

OK, so it's been over a month since SP2 was released. I figure many Sage users have jumped in the deep end of the pool and made the upgrade. I am considering doing so myself on my Sage Server. I thought before I do so, I would take a poll ...

PaulG · #2 09-20-2004, 05:57 AM

IMHO it won't give you anything you haven't already got

I rebuilt my HTPC today & loaded SP2 onto it just because I could, not because I needed super duper security *laugh* so far no problems

turak · #3 09-20-2004, 09:25 AM

After upgrading to SP2 on my SageTV server and one of my clients, hardware acceleration no longer works correctly in NVDVD and sonic decoders when using VMR9. With hardware accel enabled I get massive distortion of the video. If you're you are using VMR9 with either of these decoders I'd avoid upgrading to SP2.

kny3twalker · #4 09-20-2004, 09:19 PM

Seems to be just fine for me
directx 9c and SP2

PaulG · #5 09-21-2004, 05:08 AM

Not using HW Acceleration coz the video card can't handle it... I'll upgrade it one of these days.

heffe2001 · #6 09-21-2004, 10:40 AM

I posted a poll a while ago similar to this one: http://forums.freytechnologies.com/f...&threadid=7107

And SP2 and VMR9 works great on my main PC. My client is a bit too small to use VMR, but over lay works great on it. What video card are you running?

And since there are so many 'NO' votes, care to back that up with info as to why it's a bad idea?

turak · #7 09-21-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by heffe2001

And SP2 and VMR9 works great on my main PC. My client is a bit too small to use VMR, but over lay works great on it. What video card are you running?

Both my SageTV server (Radeon 9200) and one of my clients (GeForce4 Ti4600) get the same distortion with hardware acceleration enabled in NVDVD and sonic decoders. Prior to installing SP2 neither of these computers had this problem. This issue is discussed further in this thread.

salsbst · #8 09-21-2004, 02:14 PM

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And since there are so many 'NO' votes, care to back that up with info as to why it's a bad idea?

I take the reverse approach to answering the question, " Is SP2 a worthy upgrade for Sage Servers?". I ask myself, "What good will it do me?" I have not heard anything about improved DirectX performance or anything else that I'm looking for in an HTPC OS, and so SP2 holds no interest for me, and is not a "worthy upgrade".

turak · #9 09-21-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by turak
Both my SageTV server (Radeon 9200) and one of my clients (GeForce4 Ti4600) get the same distortion with hardware acceleration enabled in NVDVD and sonic decoders. Prior to installing SP2 neither of these computers had this problem. This issue is discussed further in this thread.

I reverted back to SP1 on my SageTV server and the problem went away. I'm able to use hardware acceleration with no problems now.

kny3twalker · #10 09-21-2004, 09:39 PM

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Both my SageTV server (Radeon 9200) and one of my clients (GeForce4 Ti4600) get the same distortion with hardware acceleration enabled

It could be that these cards do not have much support for hardware acceleration

I have seen it more than once said that only the MX series of geforce 4s got hardware accelerators

turak · #11 09-21-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by kny3twalker
It could be that these cards do not have much support for hardware acceleration

I have seen it more than once said that only the MX series of geforce 4s got hardware accelerators

heh. I don't think that's the problem. The Ti4600 was the flagship of the geforce 4's (was a $500 video card when I bought it). The MX's are the cheap cards. Hardware acceleration works fine with both of these cards unless SP2 is installed.

kny3twalker · #12 09-21-2004, 10:35 PM

Sorry that you feel that your video card should support DXVA when it does not since you spent 500 dollars on it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ght=video+card

thats the only one I could find so far

turak · #13 09-22-2004, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by kny3twalker
Sorry that you feel that your video card should support DXVA when it does not since you spent 500 dollars on it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ght=video+card

thats the only one I could find so far

And you just assume what he says is true because he has over 1900 posts? You have over 2000 posts on this forum so I guess we should all take your word as fact. Try doing a google search for Ti4600 DirectX Video Acceleration.

salsbst · #14 09-22-2004, 03:22 AM

I was intrigued... here are a couple of other references to the Ti series not having DXVA:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...307&u=1634#r14
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s...20&#entry43800

turak · #15 09-22-2004, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by salsbst
I was intrigued... here are a couple of other references to the Ti series not having DXVA:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...307&u=1634#r14
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s...20&#entry43800

I still don't buy it. Without SP2 DXVA works fine on my Ti4600. As for lack of DXVA support being the cause of my video distortion, that post on dtvforum states that all radeon 9xxx cards support DXVA. My SageTV server has a Radeon 9200 and has the same problem with DXVA/VMR9/SP2.

heffe2001 · #16 09-22-2004, 07:56 AM

If SP2 has problems with DXVA/VMR9, then why does it work on 2 machines at my house? Both have Nvidia cards (one 5900XT, other 5600)? It may be something in other drivers, software or codecs on your system that's making it have problems. Never-the-less, you're having problems, so I woudln't use SP2. Down the road if you want to try SP2 again, I'd do it with a slipstreamed copy of XP, with SP2 embedded in. Might work better to start from scratch (I know I can't remember EVERY edit/reghack/etc that I've done on my main system).

turak · #17 09-22-2004, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by heffe2001
If SP2 has problems with DXVA/VMR9, then why does it work on 2 machines at my house? Both have Nvidia cards (one 5900XT, other 5600)? It may be something in other drivers, software or codecs on your system that's making it have problems. Never-the-less, you're having problems, so I woudln't use SP2. Down the road if you want to try SP2 again, I'd do it with a slipstreamed copy of XP, with SP2 embedded in. Might work better to start from scratch (I know I can't remember EVERY edit/reghack/etc that I've done on my main system).

What decoders are you using on those machines? The other people that have posted with this problem in the 'SP2 causing ghosting' thread all use either sonic or NVDVD.

heffe2001 · #18 09-22-2004, 09:32 AM

Currently have NVDVD 4.0x running on that machine, my other machine running client (lappie whenever I want to start it up) uses Intervideo. The other machine with Nvidia is also running NVDVD without any problems.

Only thing I can figure on the main server is that I've been putting SP2 betas on it since I first got the machine running, maybe some settings in the old betas make it work?

I'll most likely end up using Intervideo's Windvd 6 on the main server before too long, I like the output from it better than the NVDVD.

turak · #19 09-22-2004, 10:09 AM

Where did you get NVDVD 4? I can't find it anywhere. I'm still running NVDVD 2.55.

kny3twalker · #20 09-22-2004, 08:54 PM

only available in beta
and my first few posts were questions just like everyone else

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