MVP Client 1.3.0 (2005/08/16)

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Pegleg

Anyone have the problem of Sage TV Client shutting off when the computer is waken up?
I have the latest client and sage tv software running on winxpsp2..no customizations other than to run MVP using the MVP client.

There is a known problem with standby and I'm working on a fix. It's been there for some time but few people here seem to use standby

-Matt

[henk99]

Hi All

I am very new to this MVP stuff. I've read through this entire thread....pffff.....and decided to order one. It's not in yet, but i would already like to ask a question.
I have one PC running 24/7 in my house. It's in my work room and that is were sagetv is running on. I am planning to use the MVP in my living room. How can i arrange that when i reboot the pc, sagetv will be running? Now, when i boot, windows waits for a user to log on. When this happens while i'm away (e.g. when power is lost temporary) nobody logs on and therefor sagetv won't start.
Another question;
How should i use sagetv. I have read about running as a service (allthough i don't really know what that means....) and also about getting a client. What is the best approach to use? Like is said, i would like to use the mvp in the living room, but i would also like to be able to use sagetv in the work room when i am there.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Henk99

[thborchert]

Originally Posted by henk99

Hi All

How can i arrange that when i reboot the pc, sagetv will be running? Now, when i boot, windows waits for a user to log on. When this happens while i'm away (e.g. when power is lost temporary) nobody logs on and therefor sagetv won't start.
Henk99

Download TweakUI from Microsoft's Powertoys for Windows XP - it's free. It will have a setting to enable auto-logon. That way, the log-on will happen automagically after reboot. Sage has options for starting up at boot. As for which way you should run it, see Matt's instructions for the MVP add-in.

You'll love it.

[SprDtyF350]

You can also just go to "Start", then "Run", type "control userpasswords2" and hit enter. It will bring you to a screen allowing you to setup a user to log in automatically.

A service is something that runs no matter which user is logged in. It runs in the background and just does it's thing. Switching users doesn't kill it like if it runs as a normal program. It will start by itself if you enable it in the service control panel. It will aslo try to restart itself if it crashes.


Randy

[henk99]

Originally Posted by SprDtyF350

You can also just go to "Start", then "Run", type "control userpasswords2" and hit enter. It will bring you to a screen allowing you to setup a user to log in automatically.

A service is something that runs no matter which user is logged in. It runs in the background and just does it's thing. Switching users doesn't kill it like if it runs as a normal program. It will start by itself if you enable it in the service control panel. It will aslo try to restart itself if it crashes.


Randy

Thanks for the replies guys!!

From this, can i conclude that it is better to simply run sagetv as a service? Then it wouldn't matter if me or my girl is logged on. Sagetv would run anyway....right?
However, if it runs as a service, can i still use it normally? I mean can i still double-click the icon in the tray and watch tv?
Also....is the client also run as a service or something? Otherwise it would still matter who is logged on right? From what i have see most people have sagetv as a service and also a client on the same pc for the MVP.

[nielm]

SageTV running as a service means that the media server/recording engine runs as a service and is started on boot, so yes you don't need to worry about missing recordings (or remote scheduling via my web server plugin) so long as the machine is turned on.

For playback, you would still need to log on to run the client front-end -- both for the Sage UI on the desktop, and for the MVP-client.

There are tools that can run any process as a service -- www.firedaemon.com is one. You may want to experiment to see if you can run the MVP-SageClient as a service with a tools such as this one.

[henk99]

Hi All

I have my MVP lying on my desk. I have sagetv installed. I have my client version ready for install. I have enabled the server mode on sagetv settings.
I want to run sagetv server on the same pc as client, like a lot of people do apparantly.
So i have my sagetv install running (icon in the tray...sleep mode). I start the install of the client. First i let the program install itself in the same dir as sagetv...during install it complains that another program is using the original.stv...that figures....as sagetv is still running. So, i exit sagetv and continue. client installs itself and when it's finished i find sagetv to be gone and only client is left. I still think this is ok and i run client. It asks for an ip number....so i give the ip of that same pc (192.168.0.2), but it doens't find it....Then i tried my IP for outside the house 82.72...bla bla. still no connect. I have no firewall active or anything...so no problems there.
I start thinking it must be because the normal sagetv install is not running....like...no server running...right?
I restore my windows to the point before all this trying and start over. This time i install the client to a completely different directory. Still it complains about the original.stv being used by another prog...so i close sagetv again. Install continues and after install, again the sagetv icon is gone from it's directory! So, again i can't have a server running...because sagetv isn't there anymore.

What is wrong here? I read all kinds of people in here that have a client running on the same pc as where the sagetv (server) is. But how do i install that? What am i doing wrong here? I have the proper java, proper sagetv and client stuff.

Bottom line...how to install sagetv client on the same pc as sagetv without client removing the original sagetv???

Henk99

[waynedunham]

Henk99,

Install the client in its own directory, not the SageTV directory. I'm running SageTV and SageTV client on the same machine with my MediaMVP in my bedroom and it's working great. (I don't use service mode BTW, which some do)

Here's my directory structure......

C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\

That's where my SageTV runs from.

C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV Client\

That's where the Client runs from. Then when I boot up the machine I fire up SageTV and then the "StartMVPClient.cmd" file.

One of these days I'll uninstall and re-install both because somewhere along the way I lost the ability to have SageTV automatically start up in the system tray (or at all really) on bootup. It trys to start and shows up in the processes, but no interface or icon in the system tray. I suspect something got hosed in the registry settings somewhere during a crash or upgrade.
That's why I have to start mine manually. But other than that, it works great.

[henk99]

Originally Posted by waynedunham

Henk99,

Install the client in its own directory, not the SageTV directory. I'm running SageTV and SageTV client on the same machine with my MediaMVP in my bedroom and it's working great. (I don't use service mode BTW, which some do)

Here's my directory structure......

C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\

That's where my SageTV runs from.

C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV Client\

That's where the Client runs from. Then when I boot up the machine I fire up SageTV and then the "StartMVPClient.cmd" file.

One of these days I'll uninstall and re-install both because somewhere along the way I lost the ability to have SageTV automatically start up in the system tray (or at all really) on bootup. It trys to start and shows up in the processes, but no interface or icon in the system tray. I suspect something got hosed in the registry settings somewhere during a crash or upgrade.
That's why I have to start mine manually. But other than that, it works great.

Hiya

I think i didn't do anything different...well at least the second time when i installed in a different dir.
However, what can i do about the client install removing the 'normal' sagetv exe file from it's directory?
How is the server supposed to run then?

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by henk99

Hiya

I think i didn't do anything different...well at least the second time when i installed in a different dir.
However, what can i do about the client install removing the 'normal' sagetv exe file from it's directory?
How is the server supposed to run then?

Whew, I'll let someone more knowledgable tackle that one, but worst case you should be able to just reinstall SageTV in the proper directory for it. Any damage was probably already done when you installed SageClient over the top of SageTV.
I'd back up my Wiz.bin and the Sageproperties. (and the backup files). I'm not sure, but I don't "think" that SageClient should have messed with the Wiz.bin file and probably not the Sageproperties file since it has one of it's own with a different name.

I'd wait for Opus, Matt, or someone else to verify what to do. Just in case I'm full of crap. I was very careful to make sure I put the client in it's own directory so I didn't have to repair anything on mine.

[Opus4]

When you install SageTV or SageTVClient, it also uninstalls any previous versions of either product, since they both have to be the same version to operate together. From your sig lines, it looks like you are using SageTV v2.2.7. Install the latest SageTV version, then install the client in its own dir.

- Andy

[henk99]

Originally Posted by Opus4

When you install SageTV or SageTVClient, it also uninstalls any previous versions of either product, since they both have to be the same version to operate together. From your sig lines, it looks like you are using SageTV v2.2.7. Install the latest SageTV version, then install the client in its own dir.

- Andy

That was it guys! I had a 2.2.7 on my pc and the 2.2.8 client. I delted the whole lot and re-installed. This part is ok now i think.
Now i have to tackle the next one. I tried to connect the mvp to the router with the utp cable that was originally connected to another pc, so it was a working cable. I couldn't get any lights going on either the router or the mvp. I then tried a cross-over utp cable i had lying around and that gave me the lights i was looking for. Can anyone confirm that the mvp-to-router connection has to be cross-over?
If this is the case i need to attach some new connectors, and i am horrible at hardware. I googled (off course) but all these colors are very confusing. Can anyone tell me in 'homer simpson' language how to make the right connection? The trouble is that the cable is already in the walls. So, no easy way to measure or anything.

Any help appreciated!

For now Wayne and Andy...loads of thanks on this one

[Wakecrash]

The cable from a router to the MVP should NOT be crossover, although I believe most newer routers and switches will autonegotiate bothe speed and adjust if a crossover is used vs the normal strait through.

if the cable and router is good I believe the link light on the routher and MVP should at least be on solid. If you plug the PC back into the same cable does it still work, perhaps a loose connection. Once connected, pull the cable side to side to see if it is loose. When PC is hooked up, do you have a 100 Mbs connection?

[waynedunham]

Wakecrash is right. It should be a normal cable going from the MVP to the router.

How many ports on the router? I don't know about the router, but I know that older hubs and some switches used to come with a dedicated "uplink" port (for daisy-chaining multiple hubs/switches). If that's the case that might be a problem. As wake said though, most newer stuff will auto configure to work right.

Mines going into a 16 port gigabit switch (just upgraded, it was a 10/100 switch before which also worked fine) who's connections are hardwired to wall outlets througout my house. I did have the MVP in the living room and moved it to the bedroom and it works fine in either room (the cpu is in the computer room which originally was a second bedroom).

[henk99]

Thanks guys!

Well, i will check with a 'known good' cable when i get home. It is good to know what i need. The cross-over was the only cable that worked so far, but is was only 1,5 meters long. I MUST make new connectors to the exsisting cable, so it is good to know that is must be a straight connection.

I will get back on this when i get it working....or not if you consider my hardware skills...lol

[jlindborg]

Seriously nice job, dude - I was skeptical but after installing an MVP in my living room and using it for a few days, the WAF is sky high (no noisy client box to turn on/off/crash) - I just ordered two more.

I'll be sending some Pay Pal love in a sec... just wanted to say how much this rocks.

thanks much.

[qwijib0]

I've searched this thread and can't find a definitive answer... I'm currently using one MVP, with plans to go to several more. I'm also going to add some more tuners to my box, and am thinking about going with one of the hardware mpeg4 encoders to save disk space.

Is this a viable setup (multiple MVPs may be accessing an mpeg4 stream) or should I stick with mpeg2 tuners?

Thanks.

[gplasky]

What MVP do you have accessing a mpeg4 stream?

Gerry

[qwijib0]

Originally Posted by gplasky

What MVP do you have accessing a mpeg4 stream?

Gerry

I don't yet... right now I just have a PVR-150 recording in mpeg2, but I'd like to buy mpeg4 tuners. I know happague supports 1 MVP at a time accessing divx, and so I wanted to know if:

1)the MVP plugin supports sending mpeg4 encoded live/recorded TV.
2)Does it support doing this to multiple MVPs simultaneously.

Sorry for the confusion.

[gplasky]

Sorry. Matt doesn't have that working. The Happague MVP software can do that but all the transcoding is done on the PC. You need a powerful PC from what I understand.

Gerry