STV: Meekell v0.6.1 (Nov 28, 2OO6) - Page 3

Crashless · #41 08-02-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by snoopy

If you mean the little icons Iain, then yes. I don't think the icons should take both a verticle and horizontal form. Personally I like the horizontal but I would just stick with one or the other.

I did it both ways for a test. I think I like the vertical ones more because it won't get in the way of the 'watched %' - what do you guys think?

Kendryk:

1. Thanks for that tip. I need to test this FSE thing out, it seems pretty cool.
2. I'm not sure if I do anything different than the original STV...I'm not sure where to start with this one, but I'll look into it.
3. That's bad...is this on a client a server or both? If you have a sage_0.txt or sageclient_0.txt that would help me with this one.
4. Try using the original stv and changing this back to the default (sorry, I'm not sure what it is...) and see if it changes anything.
5. Like KJake said, the readout is still not perfect, I have it output to a file in the CreateDVD directory (outputlines.txt), but the best way to see if it has hanged or not is to see if the files are increasing in size. This is definintly a point that needs working on. 2 known issues: Leaving the burning menu and going back will lose status reporting. and the cancel burn, doesn't actually cancel anything. These are big bugs that I will squash when I get back.

6. If the info is in the guide, I can probably get it. I assume you're talking about in the live guide right? When you select a show and look at it's info? That _should_ be doable.

7. Yes. If you could test the DVD profiler import function, I would really appriciate it. If you need help getting started let me know. I need to take the time to write a 'how-to' on this part as I don't think people realize how cool the DVD Profiler database program is, and it's FREE!

basic instructions for this are on the instructions page at:

http://sagetv.vinceanido.com

Thanks so much for the detailed feedback guys!

Kanati · #42 08-02-2005, 07:57 PM

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TiVo had an interesting approach to scroll speed as theirs was even slower. One could use the channel down botton as it doubled as a "page down" button. This way you could go down a full page at a time and this made getting through a very large list relatively painless.

Sage does this as well.

I actually didn't know it either until I tried it. I was so used to doing it with tivo that I just did it one day and voila... it worked.

ajuhawk · #43 08-02-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KJake

There is definately a formatting issue

At the time that I wrote that part, only Cayars was outputting XML, I think. So, if there is demand, I should probably rewrite that stuff, but only if all of the STVs are outputting some sort of standard of XML...if they're all different, then it's gonna be tuff to get all the same info.

As Crashless said, we want to make this avilable to everyone no matter what STV they use. With that said, I'm going to start another thread related to the DVD Burning for bugs and comments so that I can keep out of Crashless' hair and possibly bring another crowd in.

KJake,

I think it depends on the lanuage you're using. With my Sage Encoder program I'm using the XML files and I can basically step through until I find the header I want. But that's because C# has a lot of XML functions built in.

And, if we're going to "agree" to an XML standard, it needs to include the episode number!

snoopy · #44 08-02-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashless

I did it both ways for a test. I think I like the vertical ones more because it won't get in the way of the 'watched %' - what do you guys think?

Kendryk:

1. Thanks for that tip. I need to test this FSE thing out, it seems pretty cool.
2. I'm not sure if I do anything different than the original STV...I'm not sure where to start with this one, but I'll look into it.
3. That's bad...is this on a client a server or both? If you have a sage_0.txt or sageclient_0.txt that would help me with this one.
4. Try using the original stv and changing this back to the default (sorry, I'm not sure what it is...) and see if it changes anything.
5. Like KJake said, the readout is still not perfect, I have it output to a file in the CreateDVD directory (outputlines.txt), but the best way to see if it has hanged or not is to see if the files are increasing in size. This is definintly a point that needs working on. 2 known issues: Leaving the burning menu and going back will lose status reporting. and the cancel burn, doesn't actually cancel anything. These are big bugs that I will squash when I get back.

6. If the info is in the guide, I can probably get it. I assume you're talking about in the live guide right? When you select a show and look at it's info? That _should_ be doable.

7. Yes. If you could test the DVD profiler import function, I would really appriciate it. If you need help getting started let me know. I need to take the time to write a 'how-to' on this part as I don't think people realize how cool the DVD Profiler database program is, and it's FREE!

basic instructions for this are on the instructions page at:

http://sagetv.vinceanido.com

Thanks so much for the detailed feedback guys!

Maybe watch % could go in a different place on the bar. I'm not sure how important it is. One of the STV's had shading to do that with.

blade · #45 08-02-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanati

Sage does this as well.

I actually didn't know it either until I tried it. I was so used to doing it with tivo that I just did it one day and voila... it worked.

You can also scroll left to right a page at a time, which is useful for the TV guide.

kendryk · #46 08-02-2005, 09:03 PM

2 exiting fullscreen mode:

I don't really understand whats going on with point 2 either, it just might have something to do with FSE mode. I am currently using it now, will do further testing.

3 crash

I have sage_0 thru sage_3.txt, I'll attach them all. [Edit: Please do not attach debug logs on the forum; please do any log transfers outside the forum. Thank you. - Opus4] I do not use any clients (sorry should have given you more info)

4 the font size issue:

The entire line can be seen on the live tv-guide, only if the video box (right hand corner) isn't currently playing. It doesn't seem to line wrap (when a small video is playing) for me.

5 burning info:

I will work on trying the DVD burning more, tommorow. So far the .png image gets created, but nothing else goes on. I will make sure comskip is
working properly first.

6. info guide

yup, that is exactly what I am missing. I can never tell what
ratings are with movies that are on IFC....The live-tv guide simply does not show them.

7. dvd profiler

I now understand what it can do, looks very cool. I have to be honest, I have no idea how to activate it yet. I can hopefully read some more info about it while I am on break from "work". I hope to test this tommorow afternoon though.

That's all I can think of right now... hmm seems there is a 2.0mb limit on files
so i'll upload sage_0, 1, 2. if you need sage_3.txt (3mb) let me know, I can email it.

Crashless · #47 08-02-2005, 10:39 PM

kendryk: 3. log files. Sorry Opus. I PM'd you my email.

4. the non-wraping text. I just checked and I have it too. It seems the text doesn't see that the preview window is there. I can fix that no problem.

5. Burning - try kicking the make.bat off from the command line with the parameters I posted on the first page (or second, I can't remember). Then see where it hangs.

7. The jist of DVD Profiler - You enter your DVDs into the database, export the collection to : '%Program Files%/Frey Technology/SageTVcollection.xml' (or '%Program Files%/SageTV' if you're installing 3.0 fresh). Then add your video libraries in the settings menu, then go to data import and import the data.

This is obviously very rough, and will be refined as I go, I just wanted to get that in there with this release because it is SO COOL. Stanger really did some great work getting that to work with SageTV. I'll also write up a more detailed manual as I go too, but for now, adding functionality is more fun than writing a manual.

snoopy: I'll look into the watched bar thing, but honestly I kinda like the way it works now. It's much for black and white this way. I don't see any reason why I can't make it an option though. I've put it in the rapidly growing queue.

Crashless · #48 08-03-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by iain

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the scrolling isn't slow per se. and this stv is just as fast as the sage default. the scroll speed is aceptable to get through a dozen artists, but when you have to scroll through 1,200 artist starting with A because you need to get to one starting with B is very fustrating. Now that I think about it, I could put a repeat event on girder to somehow speed up scrolling when "down" has been depressed for longer than 3 seconds. Or I could just search everytime. But I still think it could be more useable somehow. Like a total rip off of the iPod interface which is the ultimate in usability. well, i'll leave my rant about sage's jukebox there. i guess it's a low priority.

I was thinking about this - maybe if I rip the alphabet stuff from the album view, so you could jump to a letter, would that help?

KJake · #49 08-03-2005, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ajuhawk

I think it depends on the lanuage you're using.

heh, these are just batch files, but I extend them with an external xml parser I wrote/stole/modded in Java. Now I see that neilm has posted about XML standardisation...maybe I helped spark that?

kendryk · #50 08-03-2005, 06:21 AM

Oops I can see Opus/Freys' point not wanting about 1000 sage_0.txt files in the board...

anyhow, I have some more info on DVDprofiler for anyone else who wants to use it.

download the program from http://www.intervocative.com/dvdpro/Info.aspx
the program itself looks very cool. Info is a bit sparse on the website.

Free program includes some of the following:
* Catalog an unlimited number of DVDs
* Host your collection online with the My Profiler feature
* One-step entry - enter the UPC and DVD Profiler does the rest
* Powerful price search engine, parental control, integration with DVD ProfilerPocket

The one-time reg fee can be paid to get rid of the ads, and get you better coverart.. a few other neat features also.

I did a quick run of the program; typed in the UPC of fight club, picked out my version of it and simply hit 'file' and 'export database' now you have collection.xml

word of warning, if you have kids activate the parental controls... this is a user supplied database for movies, yes there is pron on it too. This app is definitly an online experience, you download master db files (once 8.5meg) and coverart for every DVD you have.

I don't think I'll install on my sage system, I will keep it on my laptop for now. As soon as I get home from work, I'll be importin and burning!

dcannon · #51 08-03-2005, 02:15 PM

I have found a couple more minor issues/usability factors:

1. The playlist for playing MP3s shouldn't report the file size in GB, this doesn't seem to make much sense.

2. They new Originalv3.stv allows you to specify what type of media to import from each import directory, this way folder.jpg files won't show up as imported images. The new stv also has a new customize screen in setup which is not included in this STV

3. I couldn't find any source setup functions in this stv

4. I know someone already mentioned text wrapping with the preview pane showing. One place i noticed text being chopped even without a preview window was in Recordings > More Options > Commercials detected the popup window said "Would you like to ..." with a yes/no option. I didn't know what it wanted me to say yes or no to.

5. When going into a secondary screen like recordings when I press left to go back to the main menu it always returns to upcomming recordings. Could we have a setting that would allow us to return to where we left the main menu?

6. I believe that the current dynamic menus import wouldn't work with the way this STV is setup, but could something similar be built in, I would like to be able to change the order of some of the popout boxes on the main menu, and add command line menu entries.

I know that this is probably a lot of work, don't worry about it; have fun at your wedding and honeymoon (I got married 2 months ago and it was the most fun I have ever had in my life)

kendryk · #52 08-03-2005, 04:41 PM

Am I supposed to pull my hair out now?

I have an exported xml file for a movie called "abc". I an an import folder called F:\abc
with the movie called abc.mpg

I looked into the xml file, and see that the Title and SortTitle have the name abc.

I have placed a file called SageTVcollection.xml in the SageTV directory. I have placed a file called abc.xml in SageTV and F:\abc. I also called the file sagetvcollection.xml collection.xml and with the plural spelling(s) also.

I still can't see any info to import into the database. I go to import and it is telling me Collection XML not found. I have tried everything I know... does anyone have some more suggestions?

Thanks
Jim

Crashless · #53 08-03-2005, 04:59 PM

Alright, really quick: You have to add the 'abc' folder to your import folders via Settings->General.

Then put the SageTVcollection.xml file in the 'C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\' folder, not the 'C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV' folder. I apologise that this isn't very clear in the documentation, I have some ideas to refine this A LOT, so it will get easier - I promise.

dcannon:
1. Good point - I also need to make sure it doesn't auto-load the DVDBurn playlist when you go through the music section. This will be refined...
2 & 3. Those need to be ported. As the v3 stuff settles down a bit, I will implement that stuff into this STV.
4. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll look into it.
5. Good idea, I'll see what I can do.
6. I'd be surprised if ANY imports worked with this STV, it is very different than the main one. User-configurable menus are definitly on the roadmap, and the base-work is already done. So it will be in soon, if not the next build, the one after that.

iain · #54 08-03-2005, 05:28 PM

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I was thinking about this - maybe if I rip the alphabet stuff from the album view, so you could jump to a letter, would that help?

Yeah, I think that is a good idea. It would really help.
FWIW I like the watched % bar too.

KJake · #55 08-03-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dcannon

(I got married 2 months ago and it was the most fun I have ever had in my life)

seriously, it was the same for me. i did all sorts of things i had actually never done before: white water rafting, horse back riding, trail hiking, riding down the side of a mountain on a sled, driving through a mountain, playing with snow in june...yeah, it was a good time. have fun crashless!

Crashless · #56 08-04-2005, 10:42 AM

OK, last post before I go offline.

Thank you all so much for the feedback, it has been great, and I will start getting everything addressed when I get back in two weeks.

In the mean time, please keep talking about how things can be improved, things you're missing from the original STV, and anything else you can think of - your suggestions are what's going to make this STV meet your needs.

Take care - I'll 'see' you in a couple weeks!

insomniac · #57 08-05-2005, 03:40 PM

GL!

and congrats of course

I.

michelkenny · #58 08-07-2005, 05:55 PM

One thing that I would like to see is an option for automatic commercial skipping. I know I can push left/right, but having it done automatically would be nice

Other than that I'm really impressed with this STV. Keep up the good work!

dcannon · #59 08-07-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by michelkenny

One thing that I would like to see is an option for automatic commercial skipping. I know I can push left/right, but having it done automatically would be nice

You can, just go to options while a video is playing and ensure trat Com. Auto Skip is set to enabled.

michelkenny · #60 08-07-2005, 10:59 PM

Doh! I tried to go through all the dialogs to try to find this option, but I guess I missed that one. Thanks for pointing it out!

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