Aero support

[mickp]

I just upgraded my main pc to vista and have been seeing some glitches with Aero associated with running the Sage Client.

As described in this thread, when the Sage Client is running (which for me is usually all of the time) any event that requires uac confirmation causes aero to stop. The message in the event log is

A request to disable the Desktop Window Manager was made by process (SageTV)

It might be possible to work around this issue and I will continue to muck about to see if I can get it to work.

The other issue is that Sage doesn't support glass. I've just installed Azureus (another Java app) and it has no problem. Any thoughts on how difficult it would be to implement Aero Glass support for Sage?

http://www.daleks-of-god.net/sage/azureusIsGlass.jpg

Mick.

[Narflex]

Try this property in SageClient.properties on Vista and see if it helps:

ui/window_title_style=10

[mickp]

Originally Posted by Narflex

Try this property in SageClient.properties on Vista and see if it helps:

ui/window_title_style=10

Woot! That works perfectly. Windows remain glass after a uac prompts and also has the nice (yes I'm shallow) aero glass itself.

http://www.daleks-of-god.net/sage/sageGlass.jpg

Thanks heaps Narflex.

Mick.

[Berg]

Originally Posted by Narflex

Try this property in SageClient.properties on Vista and see if it helps:

ui/window_title_style=10

Would that work with PlaceShifter ?

Thanks.

[gman90706]

Originally Posted by Narflex

Try this property in SageClient.properties on Vista and see if it helps:

ui/window_title_style=10

I'd like to try this as well... can you elaborate on how to set that property and/or where? I can't seem to find it - Thanks!

***EDIT*** Found it - Thanks mickp! c:\users\username\appdata\local\virtualstore\program files\sagetv

[mkanet]

I have this problem every once in a while. I'm not sure why this happens. Anyway, how do use this fix if I use the "no title" mode with a very thin border around the whole video?

Originally Posted by Narflex

Try this property in SageClient.properties on Vista and see if it helps:

ui/window_title_style=10

[jphhughes]

I continue to have this Aero problem as well and was aware of the ui/window_title_style=10 fix. However as others have experienced this causes an annoying border in my case a the top of the window. So not sure if there is an additonal fix for this or if you just have to live with it . It would be nice to know so we can move on. Thanks

[mkanet]

I do have a temporary method to force SageTV to work correctly with Vista Aero theme. However, it takes a little bit of effort. We're still waiting for an official fix for this. Anyway, good luck...

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...160#post290160

[jphhughes]

mkanet, thanks for the additional information. Your solution would be ok except for the Girder part. Don't know if I want to go through that learning curve. thanks,

[reggie14]

Originally Posted by mkanet

I do have a temporary method to force SageTV to work correctly with Vista Aero theme. However, it takes a little bit of effort. We're still waiting for an official fix for this.

They still haven't fixed that? Would it do any good to submit more bug reports, or is this something that's just really tough to fix?

[mkanet]

I dont think its tough to fix, I was able to do it with my band aid method. Yes, if you bug them enough, they will probably realize people want this to work correctly.

Originally Posted by reggie14

They still haven't fixed that? Would it do any good to submit more bug reports, or is this something that's just really tough to fix?

[markds]

3. On Windows Vista/7 use the platform style window by default now instead of our fake WinXP style window borders
4. Fixed bug where using the platform style window title bar would cause transitioning to full screen to not work properly

Thank you Masked Man.
LB

[mkanet]

Wow! Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad I wont have to use my bubblegum, rubberband, shoestring fix/workaround anymore!

Originally Posted by markds

3. On Windows Vista/7 use the platform style window by default now instead of our fake WinXP style window borders
4. Fixed bug where using the platform style window title bar would cause transitioning to full screen to not work properly

Thank you Masked Man.
LB

[robk]

I installed 7.0.17 over 16, but in Win7 I'm still seeing the old style fake blue window. Tried setting screen to different Aero Theme : Windows 7, restart Sage, but no luck. STV update is ver 2010092101, current.
I know it's probably something simple I'm missing, but does anyone have an idea of what I'm doing wrong like theme, stv, etc?
Thanks-
Rob

edit: solved. I found a post suggesting a sage.properties edit:
ui/window_title_style=10

Now it works!
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I was wrong... with that setting I can't use full screen - it goes black.
Works for a window, but can't maximize. Oh well.

[mkanet]

Okay, I just upgraded to 7.0.17. It looks like this feature is still buggy. When I click on the full screen button, I get a big black screen with only my cursor. I cant right click or click anything. I have to Alt-F4 to force the full screen mode to sleep in windows system tray. However, when I open it from the system tray, it goes to full screen mode. Same happens when toggling back to window mode, it goes to a black window. Closing it to the system tray and reopening it will show me the window correctly. I already have
ui/window_title_style=10 enabled. Not sure what I can change or adjust to make it work right.

Anyone know why this is happening? It doesnt matter which STV I use.

[bs4free]

Originally Posted by mkanet

Okay, I just upgraded to 7.0.17. It looks like this feature is still buggy. When I click on the full screen button, I get a big black screen with only my cursor. I cant right click or click anything. I have to Alt-F4 to force the full screen mode to sleep in windows system tray. However, when I open it from the system tray, it goes to full screen mode. Same happens when toggling back to window mode, it goes to a black window. Closing it to the system tray and reopening it will show me the window correctly. I already have
ui/window_title_style=10 enabled. Not sure what I can change or adjust to make it work right.

Anyone know why this is happening? It doesnt matter which STV I use.

I have the same problem. I am doing a Trial of the 7.17 becuase I am just hateing all the problems i am haveing with BTV and the lack of support. And this problem (lack of working switching between Full Screen and Window Modes is the big thing holding me from ordering right now!

I have tested ever combination of decorder and render i have. *Overlay work becuase overlay = Aero off*

What it comes down to is Aero = Off working fullscreen and window switching
Aero = On No working fullscreen and window switching just black sreens

I have tried everything I could think of.
Updated Software, (Java, Ati, Windows)
Runing Ati Radeon HD 4600 with Catalst 10.9 on Win 7 Ultimate x64 Intel Quad Core Q6600 2.4Ghz 4GB Ram and a Few TB of diskspace.

I even tried the sage.jar patch for the java.Null error

and my last hope was the ui/window_title_style=10 with or without FSE and No Go.

I guess If i do buy SageTv I am going to have to be happy with no fullscreen only a fullscreen window (Title bar and TaskBar on), Becuase after searching the fourms this has just been the way it has been so I have little hope that SageTV v7 Final build with have this corrected.

Left searching for answers.....

[mkanet]

Dont worry. SageTV developers are like pitbulls. Once they aggressively grab onto a bug, they wont let go until its fixed. As long as know it's a reproducable issue; and hopefully have a way of reproducing it. I'll let them know that there is a reproducible issue with this. I've had full aero glass support for full screen toggle for almost two years now using my workaround... so, I know it can be done.

By any chance, are you using Windows Blinds? I dont think that should make a difference, but just asking.

Originally Posted by bs4free

I have the same problem. I am doing a Trial of the 7.17 becuase I am just hateing all the problems i am haveing with BTV and the lack of support. And this problem (lack of working switching between Full Screen and Window Modes is the big thing holding me from ordering right now!

I have tested ever combination of decorder and render i have. *Overlay work becuase overlay = Aero off*

What it comes down to is Aero = Off working fullscreen and window switching
Aero = On No working fullscreen and window switching just black sreens

I have tried everything I could think of.
Updated Software, (Java, Ati, Windows)
Runing Ati Radeon HD 4600 with Catalst 10.9 on Win 7 Ultimate x64 Intel Quad Core Q6600 2.4Ghz 4GB Ram and a Few TB of diskspace.

I even tried the sage.jar patch for the java.Null error

and my last hope was the ui/window_title_style=10 with or without FSE and No Go.

I guess If i do buy SageTv I am going to have to be happy with no fullscreen only a fullscreen window (Title bar and TaskBar on), Becuase after searching the fourms this has just been the way it has been so I have little hope that SageTV v7 Final build with have this corrected.

Left searching for answers.....

[bs4free]

Originally Posted by mkanet

Dont worry. SageTV developers are like pitbulls. Once they aggressively grab onto a bug, they wont let go until its fixed. As long as know it's a reproducable issue; and hopefully have a way of reproducing it. I'll let them know that there is a reproducible issue with this. I've had full aero glass support for full screen toggle for almost two years now using my workaround... so, I know it can be done.

By any chance, are you using Windows Blinds? I dont think that should make a difference, but just asking.

Thats Good to know that the SageTV developers care unlike another products developers.

I hope they can get SageTV to reproduce my (others) error.

No Windows Blinds or anything odd. Just a basic install of Win 7 ultimate x64.

I got so hung up on the fullscreen thing i didnt even notice till i wanted to watch some TV i had it record today that the FAQ about enableing Video Always on top no longer applies to this beta. Just another feature I will have to wait on. But I have to say the way SageTV uses plugins for Comercial Skip is great it work 100 times better then in BTV.

Sorry to be new and asking or bringing up topics that are already know, I am just having so much fun with this program that once the bugs get worked out and I get the settings just right this setup is going to be GREAT!.

[mkanet]

I'm guessing this is going to be an easy bug to fix; especially if it happens on two different OS's with unlike configurations. I'm using Vista32 with the latest WHQL Nvidia video driver and latest Java.

Originally Posted by bs4free

Thats Good to know that the SageTV developers care unlike another products developers.

I hope they can get SageTV to reproduce my (others) error.

No Windows Blinds or anything odd. Just a basic install of Win 7 ultimate x64.

I got so hung up on the fullscreen thing i didnt even notice till i wanted to watch some TV i had it record today that the FAQ about enableing Video Always on top no longer applies to this beta. Just another feature I will have to wait on. But I have to say the way SageTV uses plugins for Comercial Skip is great it work 100 times better then in BTV.

Sorry to be new and asking or bringing up topics that are already know, I am just having so much fun with this program that once the bugs get worked out and I get the settings just right this setup is going to be GREAT!.

[bs4free]

WOOT Thats good news.

I just noticed you have 12 capture devices WOW I thought the 4 i had was alot.

Thanks for all your info and help mkanet