HDHR/digital tuning in v6.5 & later

[flavius]

Not sure that I follow: You actually recommend to read the instructions?

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by flavius

Not sure that I follow: You actually recommend to read the instructions?

In addition to answering your question that I think your HDHR should continue to work with the old driver still installed, sure -- it saves some typing on my part.

- Andy

[appelm]

Originally Posted by Opus4

In addition to answering your question that I think your HDHR should continue to work with the old driver still installed, sure -- it saves some typing on my part.

- Andy

No, it did not work for me. I had no problems with my hdhr and 6.4.4. I was unaware of any problems with 6.4.5 and upgraded without upgrading to the new hdhr driver. Now my HDHR doesn't work.

I now tried the procedures above (including upgrading the driver) and get the mismatch channels and am anxiously awaiting the STV fix.

[Opus4]

I'm curious: how did you do the v6.4.5 install? Did you re-setup the HDHR source as part of your installation process? All I did was shut down SageTV, install the new version, restart SageTV, and all my tuners continued to work.

- Andy

[carlgar]

Originally Posted by Opus4

I'm curious: how did you do the v6.4.5 install? Did you re-setup the HDHR source as part of your installation process? All I did was shut down SageTV, install the new version, restart SageTV, and all my tuners continued to work.

- Andy

When I first installed the v6.4.5, I just shutdown SageTV, installed the new version, and then restarted SageTV. I then tested to make sure the HDHR turners still worked, they did not. I I suspected possible problems because there already was a post about HDHR issues, by the time I had a chance to update. It was after I saw problem that I decide to try updating to the Silicondust beta to see if it would fix the issue, it did not. I had to get back the the silicondust released software (4/30, I believe) the the 6.4.4 sage software.

In general, if you are using HDHRs and do not need 6..4.5, I would avoid upgrading. I am using 6.4.5 currently but only because it has fixes that I need. I have not even installed all of the HDHR fixes because I have a working system and do not want to break anything.

[Opus4]

But you previously said you had always selected Cable when setting up the HDHR tuners, instead of using Antenna like the old instructions on the SiliconDust site said to do. I had mine set up as Antenna & that worked. By telling it to work as Cable, it was looking for a differently named scn file. If the old ATSC scn file had been renamed to QAM, it probably would have worked.

- Andy

[carlgar]

Yes, I did always selected Cable, but I did not say I followed the instructions. I just checked and the instructions do say to use Antenna/Broadcast which I had not noticed before.

Your comments also reminded me that probably the biggest issue I had was that I am using Vista with UAC disabled. This originally prevented the *.scn files from being created on my system with the silicondust beta software. SiliconDust has notified me that this is a issue. I am not sure if it is fixed in the current silicondust beta or not.

[technazz]

Originally Posted by Opus4

But you previously said you had always selected Cable when setting up the HDHR tuners, instead of using Antenna like the old instructions on the SiliconDust site said to do. I had mine set up as Antenna & that worked. By telling it to work as Cable, it was looking for a differently named scn file. If the old ATSC scn file had been renamed to QAM, it probably would have worked.

- Andy

Mine is set to cable. Can you change it to Antenna? I have NOT upgraded to 6.4.5 yet. If I can change it Ill try it out tonight.

Technazz

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by technazz

Mine is set to cable. Can you change it to Antenna? I have NOT upgraded to 6.4.5 yet. If I can change it Ill try it out tonight.

I'm not sure whether it would be just a property change & if so, which one it would be. I suppose you could reconfigure the HDHR in your current installation & choose Antenna, then install v6.4.5.

I'm not sure about this one because I didn't try it myself: maybe while using v6.4.5 w/the source already configured for Cable as it is now, just try renaming the files like this:

Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10142EEB-1-0-ATSC.*

to

Silicondust HDHomeRun Tuner 10142EEB-1-0-QAM.*


But, if you don't need to update & can wait a day or so, I'm hoping to finish the STV changes to work better with the latest HDHR software today.

- Andy

[flavius]

Originally Posted by appelm

No, it did not work for me. I had no problems with my hdhr and 6.4.4. I was unaware of any problems with 6.4.5 and upgraded without upgrading to the new hdhr driver. Now my HDHR doesn't work.

I now tried the procedures above (including upgrading the driver) and get the mismatch channels and am anxiously awaiting the STV fix.

The point I was making is that I the last time I upgraded the HDHR software was right before 6.3.1 came out. The was in the fall of 2007. And I'm up to 6.4.4 now, with two working HDHR tuners.

[technazz]

Originally Posted by Opus4

But, if you don't need to update & can wait a day or so, I'm hoping to finish the STV changes to work better with the latest HDHR software today.

- Andy

I'll wait

EDIT:

HDHR updated http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2484

Software release 20080718beta1
* Auto-detect channel map to speed up cable channel scan.
* Show modulation type in HDHomeRun Config (GUI).
* Update channel number format for cable-style channels in SageTV.
* Update remap text display to make it easier to read.
* Ensure PID filtering is enabled for TotalMedia.
* HDHomeRun Setup UI improvements.
* Improvements to debug logging.

Firmware release 20080717beta1
* Support persistent IR target.
* Report link speed in /sys/debug output.
* Improvements to lineup support.

[Opus4]

OK... the STV update is now available to go along with the HDHR software update; see the first post of this thread for links. As I wrote in the first post:

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Update July 19, 2008

SiliconDust has released version 20080718beta1 of the HDHR software and SageTV has released an STV update to version 2008071901. Use these updates together.

Follow the SiliconDust instructions. After scanning for channels, click on the "Zap2it website" button & check its channel listings for your lineup. You should at least enter the channel name exactly as shown on the Zap2it site; for best results also enter the channel number -- you can enter channels like x.y (example: 2.1) or x (ex: 34). Apply the results in the HDHR Channel Editor.

After you are done scanning in the HDHR software, exit that & start SageTV. Configure your OTA or QAM HDHR tuner, selecting the lineup to be used. After scanning for channels, most, if not all, channels should be properly mapped to their correct channel names and numbers.
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Does anyone else do this? Since the HDHR channel scans overwrite the channel names & numbers that I've edited in previous scans, I make backup copies of Digital Cable.xml and Digital Antenna.xml, then use the backups to quickly redo my edits.

Those files are found here:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Silicondust\HDHomeRun


Anyway... my results are perfect scans in SageTV for both my OTA and QAM tuners -- I didn't have any station or logical channel remapping to do in SageTV, since all the info I entered in the HDHR Channel Editor after its scan matched the Zap2it info for my lineups & was what I wanted to have used.

Hopefully your results will be as good. Let me know how it goes.

- Andy

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by Opus4

After scanning for channels, do as they suggest & check the Zap2it site for your channel listings. You should at least enter the channel name exactly as shown on the Zap2it site; for best results also enter the channel number -- you can enter channels like x.y (example: 2.1) or x (ex: 34). Apply the results in the HDHR Channel Editor.

I have not updated to 6.4.5 yet because I do not want to mess up my HDHRs. Looking at Zap2It I can see that some stations are listed twice on two different channels. For example WESHDT is listed as being on channel 68 and Channel 701. The 68 listing should actually be 68.1 but it is not....

Will the installation deal with this?

[appelm]

Originally Posted by Opus4

OK... the STV update is now available to go along with the HDHR software update; see the first post of this thread for links. As I wrote in the first post:

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Update July 19, 2008

CBS channel 2 never seemed to get mapped correctly. It is the first channel in the listing so perhaps it has something to do with that. I remapped the channel myself and got it to work.

EDIT: I'm still having lots of problems

[matt91]

Originally Posted by Opus4

Follow the SiliconDust instructions. After scanning for channels, do as they suggest & check the Zap2it site for your channel listings.

Andy -

Where are you seeing the directions regarding zap2it? I followed through your link, but I don't see any mention of zap2it.

thanks
matt

[appelm]

Above I mentioned that one channel wasn't mapping correctly. That's still the case. The other channels mapped and appeared ok at first glance. But when I go to play them they are not correct. Channel 4 is mapped to channel 2. Channel 5 is mapped to channel 7. So far I can't even manually remap them properly, or at least I haven't figured out how yet. Channel 4 is mapped to 94-1008-4 so it seems it should be correct (although in the hdhr channel editor this is "CH94 - 30".

I have the latest July 18 hdhr beta and the STV from July 19.

[Brent]

I just updated to the latest SageTV beta, updated the STV, Updated HDHR software/firmware and followed Andy's instructions above and it worked great! All channels mapped properly and it detected all available channels. Much easier than before.

Thanks!

[Brent]

Originally Posted by matt91

Andy -

Where are you seeing the directions regarding zap2it? I followed through your link, but I don't see any mention of zap2it.

thanks
matt

Matt,
When you are in the HDHR Setup Program under lineup, you can hit the "zap2it website" button at the bottom-left of the HDHR linup screen. That will open up a web browser to the zap2it site. Basically you want to use that zap2it tv guide for your area and make sure the channel id's and channels match up with what you have on your HDHR lineup screen.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

I have not updated to 6.4.5 yet because I do not want to mess up my HDHRs. Looking at Zap2It I can see that some stations are listed twice on two different channels. For example WESHDT is listed as being on channel 68 and Channel 701. The 68 listing should actually be 68.1 but it is not....

Will the installation deal with this?

The most important number from the scan in the HDHR software is the physical channel number; that tells it what to tune to get that channel. You can't edit this on in the HDHR software; that is figured out from the HDHR's scan process.

The next important item is the correct channel name, since the scan in SageTV will try to match that channel during the scan. Make sure the Guide Name column for the channel is correct - i.e: the same as the name of the channel for your listings on the Zap2it site.

Finally, the number you enter in the Guide Number column is the logical channel number that the scan tries to assign during the scan. That will be the preferred number assigned in SageTV, but if that channel number is disabled & the other is enabled, it may use the other logical number instead. The logical number is simply the number shown in the Guide; it doesn't really affect the actual number used to tune the channel. You can remap it in SageTV's Channel Setup if you want.

Note: the 68 listing on Zap2it may be correct because that is likely what your cable box uses to tune that channel instead of 68.1, or at least that's the way my STB works.

Originally Posted by matt91

Where are you seeing the directions regarding zap2it? I followed through your link, but I don't see any mention of zap2it.

I must have seen those directions in my head... I thought their instructions mentioned Zap2it, but if it did, it isn't there now.

Anyway, like Brent mentioned, use the Zap2it button in the HDHR Channel Editor to view the listings for your lineup. Since SageTV gets its built-in EPG data from Zap2it, configure the listings to be the same as the lineup you will be using for that tuner in SageTV. Example: I have OTA and QAM tuners, so I need to check the correct listings for the current tuner I am configuring.

Originally Posted by appelm

Above I mentioned that one channel wasn't mapping correctly. That's still the case. The other channels mapped and appeared ok at first glance. But when I go to play them they are not correct. Channel 4 is mapped to channel 2. Channel 5 is mapped to channel 7. So far I can't even manually remap them properly, or at least I haven't figured out how yet. Channel 4 is mapped to 94-1008-4 so it seems it should be correct (although in the hdhr channel editor this is "CH94 - 30".

I have the latest July 18 hdhr beta and the STV from July 19.

Have you installed all the required updates? That includes the STV, the DLL, and the HDHR software listed in the first post of this thread.

Make sure you are still using the correct STV by going to System Information. If that screen lists something else, it isn't the correct STV to use for the scan in SageTV.

Are you using Vista? Maybe there is still an issue about where the HDHR software is putting the .scn file.

Make sure you are assigning the correct Guide Name and Number in the HDHR Channel Editor after its scan by checking the correct listings on the Zap2it site.

If you still have problems, I'll probably ask to see your scn file and your debug log. (The SageTV log would need to come from the UI where the scan was run.)

Originally Posted by Brent

I just updated to the latest SageTV beta, updated the STV, Updated HDHR software/firmware and followed Andy's instructions above and it worked great! All channels mapped properly and it detected all available channels. Much easier than before.

Thanks!

Great -- glad to hear it worked for at least one person.

- Andy

[AzJazz]

Wholey Kahw!

I can finally see my HDHR channels for the first time in a month!

Thanks for all the hard work, guys!