Trim / cut H.264 (Hd-PVR) files w/o encoding

[Sam]

I use VideoRedo to trim padding and remove commercials from mpeg2 files, but it sounds like they won't have H264 support added for a few months yet.

Has anyone found software which lets you do the same thing with H.264 TS files from the HD-PVR? The "cutting room" in ArcStudio TME is a pain to use, and not very accurate.

I also tried H264TS_Cutter ( www.h264tscutter.de ) and SolveigMM Video Splitter ( www.solveigmm.com ) but could not get either to work.

Has anyone found anything that does work, keeping the original H264 encoding?

[korben_dallas]

Have you tried TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress?

The trial version limits you to 30 minute output, but that should be enough for you to found out if it will work with the HD-PVR files.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by korben_dallas

Have you tried TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress?

I should have mentioned it, but yes. If you try to open the *.ts directly, the program hangs. If you first convert to a mp4 container with the ArcSoft utility, then Xpress can at least open the file. However, when trying to use their cut / edit window, it was painfully apparent from trying to navigate the video that the timeline was confused. Before I could even find both end points for a set of commercials, the editor froze again.

So then I decided to just try letting Xpress convert it to mpeg2, but after 2.5 hours and getting only 17% of the way through a 1/2 hour episode, I canceled it because the frame count had not moved in a long time.

I've only had the HD-PVR for a couple days, and so far I like the quality of the video but miss the tools I've come to rely on such as Video Redo. Or even Comskip, though hopefully we'll have a method to allow that to work soon.

[Taddeusz]

Even though it's part of the MPEG4 specification I don't think a lot of utilities know how to deal with interlaced H.264. Now that AVC/H.264 is starting to become more in the mainstream there are a lot more utilities coming out that can handle it but I think it will still be a while till most utilities properly handle both interlaced and progressive video. Heck, x264 still can't produce real interlaced video yet.

[mayamaniac]

I'm interested to know what to use to cut these .ts videos too. VLC doesn't even play them for me, nor does MPC. They just crash in Vista.

Does Video Redo plan to support H264 in the future? What about the Arcsoft products? Do any of them allow non-re-encoding editing?

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by mayamaniac

Does Video Redo plan to support H264 in the future?

Dan (the VideReDo author) has said it is on the "to do" list. He has not indicated a timeframe but has mentioned that it is much harder to implement than for MPEG.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by mayamaniac

Does Video Redo plan to support H264 in the future?

They say they (VideoReDo) are working on h.264, but have no timeframe for completion.

[mayamaniac]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

Dan (the VideReDo author) has said it is on the "to do" list. He has not indicated a timeframe but has mentioned that it is much harder to implement than for MPEG.

I think H264 along with all the MPEG 4 variants are difficult to edit. They are final output format for playback only, like flash videos and WMV. It's the editing part that bums me about Hauppauge going with an H264 encoder for the HD-PVR. I would've preferred an MPEG2 encoder, as large as the filesize maybe, but that's how it is with the HDHR.

[QueOnda]

Originally Posted by mayamaniac

I think H264 along with all the MPEG 4 variants are difficult to edit. They are final output format for playback only, like flash videos and WMV. It's the editing part that bums me about Hauppauge going with an H264 encoder for the HD-PVR. I would've preferred an MPEG2 encoder, as large as the filesize maybe, but that's how it is with the HDHR.

I don't know what I'm talking about but From what I remember, Mpeg 2 was the same way. If you did edit you had to re-encode. Now you don't. I'm sure H264 will get there eventully but the question is when.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by mayamaniac

I think H264 along with all the MPEG 4 variants are difficult to edit. They are final output format for playback only, like flash videos and WMV. It's the editing part that bums me about Hauppauge going with an H264 encoder for the HD-PVR. I would've preferred an MPEG2 encoder, as large as the filesize maybe, but that's how it is with the HDHR.

MPEG 2 was originally only a playback format as well but programs were adapted to work with it. It will just take time for people to gain the expertise to work with those formats. Like all things it will eventually happen.

[mayamaniac]

Yes, MPEG2 was the same way, but it is not anymore. I guess what I'm trying to say is I rather have MPEG2 because the tools are available right now to edit it, rather than wait for future tools that can edit H264, and who knows when.

[QueOnda]

Has anyone tried this http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ ??? I found on this forum http://club.cdfreaks.com/f32/x264-mp...coding-187577/

I just received my HDHR yesterday but don't know when I will be able to play with it.

Edit: Don't know if x264 is the same as H.264. But I did find someother stuff if this helps:


http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...3389469&EDATE= :

9) MP-Factory ver. 4.1 - Industry-leading MPEG SDK that provides a variety
of MPEG handling capabilities, including encoding, decoding, editing and
indexing for various formats such as H.264, HDV, MPEG-2 and MPEG-4. It enables
system integrators to easily implement MPEG applications through uniform APIs
for various coding formats.
http://avs.kddilabs.jp/mpeg_e

[TallMomof2]

Has anyone found a tool that works besides the one from kddilabs? When you have to contact sales for a purchase price then it must be a $$$ tool meant for professionals.

I have a so-so conversion tool, Danuisoft Media Converter which I purchased for a different purpose, that on the first go around converted my HD output to 4:3 so I'm trying it again inputting 1280*720 in place of 720*480. The only HUGE problem is that the first time it took 30 hours to convert a one hour H.264 video! And I still don't have editing capability.

The reason I want to edit and convert is that my son would be viewing from a portable DVD player. What I'll probably do is convert to MPEG2 and then edit then burn to DVD. What a freaking hassle.

[Swagger200]

Originally Posted by TallMomof2

Has anyone found a tool that works besides the one from kddilabs? When you have to contact sales for a purchase price then it must be a $$$ tool meant for professionals.

I have a so-so conversion tool, Danuisoft Media Converter which I purchased for a different purpose, that on the first go around converted my HD output to 4:3 so I'm trying it again inputting 1280*720 in place of 720*480. The only HUGE problem is that the first time it took 30 hours to convert a one hour H.264 video! And I still don't have editing capability.

The reason I want to edit and convert is that my son would be viewing from a portable DVD player. What I'll probably do is convert to MPEG2 and then edit then burn to DVD. What a freaking hassle.

Tmpgenc Express 4.0 does a nice job converting the HD-PVR H.264 .ts files to high quality Mpeg-2 or Mpeg-4, but on my single core 3.0ghz machine takes many hours (more than 10 to 1) to do so.

[davidjade]

I recently did this just using GraphEdit to convert h264 from a HD-POVR to mpeg2 (after everything else I tried failed). I have the Arcsoft stuff that came with the HD-PVR installed and I just opened up GraphEdit and added the Arcsoft mpeg file encoder. I then choose "render media file" and pointed it at a .ts file and it built a graph and converted it to mpeg2. On my old 2.4ghz P4 it took less that 2 hours to convert a 2 hour h264 video (vbr 1-pass).

david

[clip]

What am I missing here? I go into Graphedit. Graph->Insert Filters... Click on the plus side next to DirectShow Filters. I don't have anything called "Arcsoft mpeg file encoder". I have a lot of other ArcSoft Filters...?

[Naylia]

Has any progress been made in the world of tools available? Any successes yet???

[wayner]

in the VideoReDo forums there is a post from Nov 20 by the admin saying "soon". I guess soon is longer than 6 weeks!

[mdnttoker]

Just released today...will have to play around with the trial version...

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Elecard_AVCHD_Editor

[dvd_maniac]

I just sent the Elecard company an email asking them about support for the HD-PVR's recordings. Hopefully they or someone here will test it before I end up installing another software that doesn't work.......