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STP-HD200 Automatic license detect with Sage V6.5 or higher?
The announcement thread for the HD200 states automatic license detection is supported in v6.5 or higher. Is this correct or a typo? If it's correct then I will skip v6.4 and wait for v6.5.
"When connected to a SageTV server, no license needs to be entered on the server. The STP-HD200 will automatically be recognized as a valid SageTV extender. (Note: Automatic license detection requires SageTV version 6.5 or higher.)" |
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Yes... that's what I posted.
![]() v6.5 is in the beta forum. - Andy
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What about with the 100? Also, what if I don't want to upgrade to 6.5?
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Nothing has changed about the HD100... besides, if you bought an HD100, it came with the license it needs.
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Version 6.5 is strongly recommended when using the HD200 anyway. - Andy
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So, does the HD200 come with a license, even though you don't need to enter it? If not, then I assume that you would actually need a placeshifter license to run a placeshifter client- an unused HD200 wouldn't work anymore. Presumably the old extender licenses will function as placeshifter licenses though.
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What does that mean? What doesn't work with the 6.4 release version?
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Automatic license detection for one thing. I'm not sure what else, but if you run into a problem you'll be asked to try v6.5 to see if the issue is still there.
Oh, btw: the automatic license detection applies to using the HD200 in placeshifter mode too. Not sure if that was clear earlier. - Andy
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Obviously there's a change in how licensing works. I'm just kind of curious what exactly that change is, and how it impacts people's setups. |
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- Andy
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Thanks, for the info, Narflex.
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If you are a new user: just start with v6.5, in my opinion. it is getting close to release and should work just fine. Or, if you want to use a Placeshifter client on a PC at a remote location anyway, buy that and it will double as a license you can use with the HD200 for v6.4 when the placeshifter client isn't in use. - Andy
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Can someone explain how that works? Does the extender figure it out based on the MAC address? Does it take the MAC address and call out to Sage's license servers somewhere to verify? Sounds odd for me for it to figure it out on it's own (unless of course you just assume using the hardware inherently means you bought it and are licensed to use it).
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Don't worry, be happy ![]() Unless you are worried about 'call-home' stuff. Don't think SageTV would risk enraging this community with a product that did that kind of stuff. And if it does, it will probably only be the license stuff. And nothing more. Easy to test if anyone has the time. Install the licenses with only local LAN, and no Internet. Either it works or it doesn't.
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Case HD200 .........LICENSED=TRUE Case closed ![]() Last edited by flavius; 12-04-2008 at 09:11 PM. |
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Now, if you want to use it in a SageTV system, that's when licenses are involved. The SageTV server (software running on the PC) requires extenders to be licensed. It started with the Hauppauge Media MVP where you needed a separate license because the hardware could be purchased through SageTV (which included a license in the price, compensating SageTV for their development efforts) or somewhere else (in which case SageTV wouldn't be compensated). That same model was carried on with the STX-HD100. It appears with the STP-HD200, Sage realized it was silly to require people to enter keys for hardware that can only be purchased through SageTV, so they've done away with the requirment for the user to enter a key on the SageTV server to use the STP-HD200. Seems we're making it more difficult with than it has to be. 6.5 (being under development) was changed to not require an extender key when it detects an STP-HD200. 6.4, which had previously been released and "locked down" didn't get that update so just treats the HD200 like the HD100 (ie extender == license required). |
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I do work with crypto protocols, so things like this interest me. But, I doubt Sage does anything too complicated. You could imagine some sort of challenge-response system, where the server issues a random string and the extender digitally signs it and returns it to the server for verification, but I highly doubt they do that. You can tell that there's a handshake when an extender connects to a server, where the extender identifies itself and what file types its capable of playing back. Sage probably just trusts that a device identifying itself as an HD200 is actually an HD200.
Why would you need to do anything else? What are they concerned about? Someone reverse engineering the protocol and emulating it on a Popcorn Hour? I suppose that would be possible, but considering they're basically the same price as the HD200 I don't see why it would be worth the effort. I don't particularly care that Sage changed the licensing structure. It never particularly made sense that extender and placeshifter licenses were the same thing. But, it was sort of nice for users. |
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