Sage at CES?

[rwc]

Sure, I know v7 was released "recently"--but they've done the show in the past...so I'm curious...

Is sage at this year's CES? If so, what are they showing off?

rwc

[Skirge01]

Not "just" from SageTV, but a joint announcement from Hauppauge and SageTV about the Colossus.

[Sparhawk6]

Sigh. So disappointed. No CableCard. Another silly IR Blaster, set-top-box solution.

Sadly, I'm getting closer and closer to Windows Media Center.




Sigh. Sage appears committed to not supporting cablecard. Just another silly set-top-box, IR blaster solution. I don't want to pay my cable company for a STB!

* merged from other topic with similar post from same person

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

Sigh. Sage appears committed to not supporting cablecard. Just another silly set-top-box, IR blaster solution. I don't want to pay my cable company for a STB!

Then don't watch the content they provide. Aside from that... pretty off-topic in this thread which deals with a NON-cablecard capture device.

Aside from that.. where did you get the message that sage is committed to not supporting cablecard? They have actually gone on record with the FCC with recommended changes to the system to allow them TO make use of it/it's successor. When they publicly say that they are NOT working on providing a cablecard solution, that is the only time you'll be able to realistically come to that conclusion.

[Sparhawk6]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Then don't watch the content they provide. Aside from that... pretty off-topic in this thread which deals with a NON-cablecard capture device.

The point of cablecard is to allow me to watch their content without using their set top boxes. Of course, that, I thought, was also the point of SageTV.

It's on-topic to the extent that Sage has now officially announced support for the Colossus. I view that as a discouraging sign on the cablecard front.

[LehighBri]

Just saw more details about the HDHomeRun Prime cablecard solution. The real question is will Sage support this after Silicondust receives cablecard certification??

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/h...blecard-tuner/

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

Sigh. So disappointed. No CableCard. Another silly IR Blaster, set-top-box solution.

Sadly, I'm getting closer and closer to Windows Media Center.

Good luck playing blu rays on any extender and forget about hd audio. Won't use extenders well then you can't share your recordings from cable card that are protected from pc to pc. Trust me cable card is nice but media center is far more limited then sagetv.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

It's on-topic to the extent that Sage has now officially announced support for the Colossus. I view that as a discouraging sign on the cablecard front.

That is an extremely strange conclusion. So sage announced that it supports a capture card, that follows traditional BDA driver guidelines, much like everything else it supports out of the box - and your conclusion is that means they aren't going to support anything else that comes along? The fact remains, that if sage was to use cablecard, within cablelabs guidelines, then you wouldn't be able to do most the things that make sage stand out. If you don't need those things (whole house experience - any recording anywhere, anytime), then just use media center.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

It's on-topic to the extent that Sage has now officially announced support for the Colossus. I view that as a discouraging sign on the cablecard front.

I fail to see how one say anything about the other.

[Sparhawk6]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

That is an extremely strange conclusion. So sage announced that it supports a capture card, that follows traditional BDA driver guidelines, much like everything else it supports out of the box - and your conclusion is that means they aren't going to support anything else that comes along? The fact remains, that if sage was to use cablecard, within cablelabs guidelines, then you wouldn't be able to do most the things that make sage stand out. If you don't need those things (whole house experience - any recording anywhere, anytime), then just use media center.

It's not a strange conclusion. CES is a big show for Sage. They issues a press release announcing support for the Collosus. Unless they have another announcement for CES, it's a good indication nothing is forthcoming in the next 6 months. Cablecard support for Sage will be HUGE. They'd want to announce it at a place like CES.

[Fuzzy]

What do you expect from sage cabecard support? You will lose so much sage functionality, and what you can watch where will be controlled by the cableco. You are right, it will be HUGE for sage, but not in a good way. As I've mentioned before, cablecardd will put so many restrictions on sage, that it will lose what makes it great. It'll just be 7mc with a cost. Bleh. The colossus, especially if hauppuge can somehow get more than on ir blaster working at a time, will be of more advantage to sage than cablecard would.

[Oats]

The problem isn't Sage not supporting cablecard, the problem is the content providers thinking that putting all sorts of restrictions on their content actually does something to stop piracy.

Legit users pay $100s a month and can't record a show and watch it in a different room, but others who pay $0 get the show 30-60 mins later and can watch it anywhere they want without commercials in multiple formats.

[Sparhawk6]

Originally Posted by Oats

The problem isn't Sage not supporting cablecard, the problem is the content providers thinking that putting all sorts of restrictions on their content actually does something to stop piracy.

Legit users pay $100s a month and can't record a show and watch it in a different room, but others who pay $0 get the show 30-60 mins later and can watch it anywhere they want without commercials in multiple formats.

Why the hell do I care WHY I can't watch my shows in Sage in the original digital form without a cable company-produced crappy STB, when someone else can do it?

I love Sage to death. I just wish it had that one killer feature for me. I have to hang on to my horrid Comcast STB for now.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

Why the hell do I care WHY I can't watch my shows in Sage in the original digital form without a cable company-produced crappy STB, when someone else can do it?

I love Sage to death. I just wish it had that one killer feature for me. I have to hang on to my horrid Comcast STB for now.

http://www.nextcomwireless.com

[david1234]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

I love Sage to death. I just wish it had that one killer feature for me. I have to hang on to my horrid Comcast STB for now.

Your complaints are misplaced... The problem isn't Sage- it's Cablecard and their restrictions stopping Sage from supporting it.

[gplasky]

Samsung has hooked up with DirectTV, Time Warner and Comcast. This looked to be most interesting.

DIRECTV and Samsung Showcase Multi-room DVR Technology On Samsung Smart TVs

2011 International CES
LAS VEGAS–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Today at the International Consumer Electronics Show, DIRECTV and Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. announced they have partnered to present the world’s first RVU-compatible production televisions, which will provide more than 19.1 million DIRECTV subscribers with the ability to watch live broadcast and stored content from their DVR on Samsung smart TVs, without the need for additional set-top boxes. As founding members of the RVU Alliance, Samsung and DIRECTV are committed to providing a more seamless entertainment experience for consumers across multiple rooms and a variety of screens, through the use of standardized Remote User Interface (RUI) technology.

“Making DIRECTV features and content available to Samsung’s televisions through the RVU server allows consumers to enjoy our innovative service without the need for additional set-top boxes. We are pleased to see our successful partnership with Samsung expand to include support for RVU in their 2011 model range.”
The RVU protocol will be supported on Samsung’s LED D6000, LED D6400 and LED 6420 TV products that reflect the company’s commitment to delivering consumers high-quality, visually enhanced and connected entertainment experiences in their home. A RUI technology based on industry standards such as DLNA and UPnP, RVU allows a set-top box server to provide a multi-room, complete viewing experience that includes DVR services, without the need for additional set-top boxes in homes that have more than one connected TV.

“We are very happy to be working with an esteemed satellite provider like DIRECTV and provide the world first RVU service to consumers with Samsung TV,” said Boo-Keun Yoon, president of Samsung’s Visual Display Business. “Products developed on RVU standards, one of the major RUI standards, will help accelerate the development of features and applications that can provide our customers with a truly customizable, immersive entertainment experience that can be enjoyed from the comfort of the home.”

“The CES demonstration of the first RVU compliant television is exciting news for the industry and consumers who want a consistent, superior user experience throughout the home,” said Romulo Pontual, CTO of DIRECTV. “Making DIRECTV features and content available to Samsung’s televisions through the RVU server allows consumers to enjoy our innovative service without the need for additional set-top boxes. We are pleased to see our successful partnership with Samsung expand to include support for RVU in their 2011 model range.”

Capable of supporting multiple connected televisions, DIRECTV’s RVU server enables the UI and features to be displayed directly on those connected TVs. Under this partnership, Samsung will embed support for RVU in their smart TVs and provide its customers with the full DIRECTV experience, including DVR services, live pause abilities on all screens in the home, 200 hours worth of shared storage, picture-in-picture capabilities and the power to record up to five shows at once. Samsung’s RVU-compatible TVs will be available in March 2011.

True you would need a new TV in each room to really take advantage of this but it looks to be quite a nice concept. Especially everything being on a central server for your recordings and stop, pause, etc. The cable offerings basically gives you access thru the Galaxy Tab to control the TV, start watching on the Tab, stop on the Tab and pick up on the TV where you left off. And you would still need a DVR at home from them.

Gerry

[alton987]

Come on Sage tell everyone why you got a playready license already!!!!

[Brent]

Disclaimer: My personal opinion follows - not "insider" info or anything like that.

I'm 99% sure we won't hear anything new from SageTV at CES... But I personally think there will be some SageTV news in the coming months. They won't announce anything until it's ready to deliver to customers. That's just the way they do it these days.

Now regarding CableCard... I don't expect anything from SageTV related to CC. I could be wrong but as I've said before CC will continue to decline as it is being replaced. If there is any hope in that realm it will be in the next gen replacement for CC so a year or more away... It just doesn't make sense for SageTV to invest time & $ in CC at this point. There's a reason the big companies have abandoned CC.

[Nelbert]

Originally Posted by Sparhawk6

I just wish it had that one killer feature for me.

There I think is the root of your frustration with lack of CC in SageTV even though you knew it wasn't there or expected to be added when you bought SageTV. It's a killer feature for YOU and the reason you feel cablecard support would be HUGE.

That doesn't make it a killer feature for Sage or their plans for the future.

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by alton987

Come on Sage tell everyone why you got a playready license already!!!!

they've had one for a while now.