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Old 02-16-2011, 09:02 PM
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Sage, allvid and the FCC

I happened to stumble across this and thought I'd share it

http://mobile.multichannel.com/artic...id_Gateway.php

I never realized sage was so involved in lobbying! Good for them!
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:51 AM
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I happened to stumble across this and thought I'd share it

http://mobile.multichannel.com/artic...id_Gateway.php

I never realized sage was so involved in lobbying! Good for them!
Lets put it this way. In my opinion, any company that hopes to sell TV-centric devices in the near future had better be involved because CableCard will not survive much longer & AllVid is the only viable replacement being discussed. The cable industry is speaking very loudly that they are looking out for our interests, but really what they mean is they want CableCard and AllVid to go away forever.

I'm really surprised/concerned that Microsoft has not been involved in the discussion. I think MS is giving up on HTPC's and working towards selling their UI to cable & satellite companies etc.

Here's a wrap-up article I wrote on this latest news
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Old 02-17-2011, 10:19 AM
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Lets put it this way. In my opinion, any company that hopes to sell TV-centric devices in the near future had better be involved because CableCard will not survive much longer & AllVid is the only viable replacement being discussed. The cable industry is speaking very loudly that they are looking out for our interests, but really what they mean is they want CableCard and AllVid to go away forever.

I'm really surprised/concerned that Microsoft has not been involved in the discussion. I think MS is giving up on HTPC's and working towards selling their UI to cable & satellite companies etc.

Here's a wrap-up article I wrote on this latest news
It's not their UI they want to sell it is the mediaroom integration (like at&t already purchased). As well as xbox live. to me WMC has alwasy been a testing ground for these two ventures that actually make MS money.
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Old 02-17-2011, 04:06 PM
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Best Buy, Google, Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Nagravision, SageTV, Sony Electronics and TiVo -- formed the AllVid Tech Company Alliance to lobby in favor of the FCC's proposal to require all pay-TV providers to conform to the same set of technical video interfaces.
Pretty impressive list of names SageTV is associated with.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:44 PM
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Wasn't Tru2Way supposed to be somewhat like CableCard 2.0?
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:46 PM
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Wasn't Tru2Way supposed to be somewhat like CableCard 2.0?
Sort of. But really just an extension of existing CableCard technology. Good example of how this AllVid talk could just evaporate though - and that's exactly what the U.S. Cable industry is hoping for.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:56 AM
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I still don't get why AllVid would change the third-party STB market. Is it really *that* much easier to design, build and certify a DRMed box with an ethernet port than to design, build and certify a DRMed box with a special PCMCIA slot? I'm not saying there wouldn't be a cost difference, it just doesn't seem like it would be significant enough to create a market that largely failed to materialize with CableCard.

I kind of get why it would be nice for PC-based DVRs, since you could have entirely software-based solutions, but that's never going to be a mass-market product. It seems like much less of an issue for special purpose CE devices.

And I'm also not entirely sure why AllVid changes things so much from Sage's perspective. If they weren't willing to implement DRM in Sage for CableCard why would they change their minds for AllVid?
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:36 AM
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I still don't get why AllVid would change the third-party STB market. Is it really *that* much easier to design, build and certify a DRMed box with an ethernet port than to design, build and certify a DRMed box with a special PCMCIA slot? I'm not saying there wouldn't be a cost difference, it just doesn't seem like it would be significant enough to create a market that largely failed to materialize with CableCard.
I guess I'd pose that question to Google, Sony, SageTV etc. But my understanding is there is a definite advantage and difference depending on how the rules are drawn by the FCC.

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I kind of get why it would be nice for PC-based DVRs, since you could have entirely software-based solutions, but that's never going to be a mass-market product. It seems like much less of an issue for special purpose CE devices.
Think GoogleTV etc.

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And I'm also not entirely sure why AllVid changes things so much from Sage's perspective. If they weren't willing to implement DRM in Sage for CableCard why would they change their minds for AllVid?
Without getting into all the reasoning, I would guess SageTV is hoping for lower barriers to entry with AllVid. Plus, why burn money by developing for CC when it's already known that it is a failure and will whither & die?
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:05 PM
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It's all in the name... ALLVid. The idea is that all STBs, PCs or whatever would be able to access any of the video services out there. Cable, Sat, FIOS, whatever. All handled by a gateway that manages access and rights to whatever service. It really would make all of our access devices universal. Then we could have everyone capable of manufacturing devices that access it. Like the old days with VCRs.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:15 PM
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So basically... AllVid+Ultraviolet = Rainbows+Unicorns?
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:50 PM
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So basically... AllVid+Ultraviolet = Rainbows+Unicorns?
Right. Kinda like the possibility of some tablet computer effectively winning the battle over laptop and netbook sales in a year was all rainbows & unicorns
Point being you never know, but you sure as heck better be involved in the discussion & planning so you have a voice. I'm happy SageTV is involved in that discussion at least. Of course nobody knows how much of it (if any) will ever happen, but you never know.
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:30 PM
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Oh yeah, if I were SageTV or running my own SageTV-like company, I'd definitely be involved in making sure my options at least stay as open as they are, and ideally expand.

I just wish I could be as optimistic about things as many on this forum seem to be.....
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:34 PM
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We've now been labeled the 'Aquaman' of the 'Justice League of Technology'...I'd rather be someone cooler...but we can live with Aquaman:

http://techland.time.com/2011/02/18/...t-televisions/
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:39 PM
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I find it hugely ironic they grouped you and NagraVision together

Considering NagraVision creates the technology that prevents recording of Dish Network
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:15 PM
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We've now been labeled the 'Aquaman' of the 'Justice League of Technology'...I'd rather be someone cooler...but we can live with Aquaman:
Love the label
I hope good things come of it all. I'm not necessarily as optimistic as stanger89 thinks I am, but one has to hope.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:08 PM
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Love the label
I hope good things come of it all. I'm not necessarily as optimistic as stanger89 thinks I am, but one has to hope.
Nor am I. Just hopeful that a reasonably good idea can happen.

Then there's reality....
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Old 02-20-2011, 09:51 AM
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We've now been labeled the 'Aquaman' of the 'Justice League of Technology'...I'd rather be someone cooler...but we can live with Aquaman:

http://techland.time.com/2011/02/18/...t-televisions/
I had to look up who "Nagravision" was that SageTv got lumped in with as the "lesser known".

So does SageTv getting equated with Nagravision mean SageTv is going to be sued by TiVo? RE: See Nagravison's U.S. Customers, think the epic TiVo vs. EchostarDish lawsuits. TiVo seems to be constantly be suing everybody else.

At least they didn't call SageTv "The Flash".
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Allvid is making cable companies nervous. They think it will destroy current business models. I guess they don't get that people are canceling their cable service and going ota netflix/hulu plus. I wonder if they know how many customers they will lose in the next few years as streaming becomes dominant over subscription based packages?

http://www.lightreading.com/document...&site=lr_cable
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:29 PM
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Allvid is making cable companies nervous. They think it will destroy current business models. I guess they don't get that people are canceling their cable service and going ota netflix/hulu plus. I wonder if they know how many customers they will lose in the next few years as streaming becomes dominant over subscription based packages?

http://www.lightreading.com/document...&site=lr_cable
I really didn't follow this back in the day but wasn't this like what happened to the BELL telephone, where they didn't want cable providers and internet voip to have sell telephone services? because he would take from the bottom line (compete).

But now I have Vonage (daily), Google voice, skype which I use. What comcast business model is to charge more money and make all the money.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:45 PM
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Allvid is making cable companies nervous. They think it will destroy current business models. I guess they don't get that people are canceling their cable service and going ota netflix/hulu plus. I wonder if they know how many customers they will lose in the next few years as streaming becomes dominant over subscription based packages?
I'm sure AllVid makes them nervous, but I'm not convinced it "destroys" their current business model. As you said, online video streaming destroys the model. AllVid is more of an expensive nuisance to them. It makes sense they'd fight it.
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