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Well, the question was what would you need to LEAVE sagetv. So, if you've already got everything you list as needs, just stay with what you've got.
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At some point, in the not too terribly distant future, a large percentage of the current Sage users will either be forced to move on, or will decide future investments in an unsupported product aren't wise. Extenders will die, and without client licenses for sale, PC-based systems aren't even an option if someone were interested (but, extenders seem important to a lot of people). Tuner support isn't being updated, which at some point will be a big deal. And who knows if some future update to Windows will break compatibility with Sage. You're in a bit of a different situation than many Sage users, since you don't seem to be as tied to extenders as others are. I agree different responses make sense if the question was what would features would be needed to drop Sage today. But that wasn't the original question. I think the intent was to assume that at some point you'd be forced to change- maybe not terribly soon, but at some point- and to identify what features would be deal-breakers if they weren't implemented. In my opinion, some of the stuff mentioned in this thread are pretty pie-in-the-sky. Anyone expecting a mass-market device with automatic comskip and no DRM is going to be sorely disappointed, and I think they're going to have an awfully hard time finding a suitable replacement when they need to replace their Sage system. |
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I don't think automatic comskip is pie in the sky at all - Comskip is available in Microsofts media center. I didn't state that it needed to be bundled in, nor be provided by the software, just that it was possible to have someone do it. The product *will* need the underpinings to make that possible. So IMHO it's a valid item to list. I, to a point, hear you about the DRM. But I am also hoping that someone big can bring sensibility to this, and google is big. When the new fangled xerox machine became available the book makers were up in arms about their copyright material ... they got over it and guess what? people are still buying books. it took Apple to get music without DRM. So I really believe at some point DRM will go away. Edit: and I think I am one that is more in Fuzzys shoes. Thankfully I personally own three servers (they can be made to run as a client), one client license, and If memory serves 4 placeshifter codes.
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To me, it would be great if I can just get SageTV + DRM support (or muscle out DRM) :-). Of course, Sage already supports wide range of tuners/capture cards.
Wishlist is 1. A "Client" app that runs on more than one STBs out there (Roku, WDLive, PS3, Xbox, etc etc). If GoogleTV is just a reference platform that can be adopted by multiple Tawaneese shops (ASUS etc), that would work as well. 2. Better parental controls / user profiles Sarat. |
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You certainly can't expect official comskip support, but I understand most people would probably be happy with being able to install and run a version of comskip. Quote:
Cable/satellite TV is much, much closer to a streaming/rental model than a purchasing model. I've said this before in other threads, but do you really think you're buying all TV shows aired over the course of a month for $50 (or whatever your TV service costs)? That being said, I think DRM for cable/satellite TV recordings is pretty silly. You don't have the same concern over casual piracy as you do copying CDs, since you need a lot of equipment to do it. Blatant piracy using newsgroups or bittorrent can't be stopped, in part due to things like the HD-PVR. So, I don't see what you get out of it. I do think it provides some protection against copyright infringement through casual piracy with digital downloads and streaming services. And since that's the direction we're going anyway, I don't think there will ever be sufficient pressure from anyone to get rid of DRM with cable/satellite TV. |
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I started doing this when I found out that DVD format does not render to a remote HD200. Side benefits I have found are:
I like it enough that I re-ripped my entire DVD collection. Takes longer to rip, but it's only a few minutes.
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You can accomplish every single one of those steps at one time using just Handbrake. No need for other tools. The caveat is that you'll need to transcode the video every time and you'll need VLC installed for the included CSS decryption.
Or use MakeMKV which doesn't transcode the video from the source DVD but can also grab whatever you select from the disc. Incidentally, MPEG-2 (what DVDs are authored in) is the opposite of a portable format.
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I decrypt using something called DvdAnywhere - which acts sort of like a driver for the DVD drive in that whatever I put into the drive appears to whatever application I point at the drive as being decrypted. Times are usually less than 10 minutes clock and less than a minute in man-hours. I used to use DvdShrink exclusively, but after running in to a few that it could not handle and buying DvdAnywhere, I drifted over to DvdAnywhere plus something called CloneDVD2 from the same publisher. Strangely enough, that pair cannot handle the occasional DVD while DvdShrink can. Go figure...
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I use Handbrake to convert my DVD's. Even though it reduces the quality of the video I've found that transcoding my DVD's generally smooths out any quality variations of the MPEG2 on DVD's.
What I mean by that is there is actually a fairly wide variation in the use of film flags in the video. There can even be issues within a single DVD where flags could be missing. I have only an HD100 and HD200. Those decoders depend only on flagging to reverse telecine video. The result of this is some improperly flagged DVD's will be de-interlaced rather than reverse telecined. Handbrake is smarter at pulling out progressive film frames rather than relying only on flagging like my HD100 & HD200. This means that I have a known consistent quality of video from DVD to DVD.
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So I thought I'd revist this post, almost five years later my wish list has mostly been answered, and mostly by SageTV (still!
![]() SageTV Open Source: Client Server ComSkip The DVR Part Multi-room viewing Non-Drm Recordings The ability to configure 99% of all options from the remote user interface Placeshifter Fan-Art (Gemstone) IMDB Search Ability to extend system with plug-ins and modifications – and the ability for the community mentioned in my original post to be able to create them. OpenDCT - My needs have really gone down to Silicon dust products (Primes and Connects) Support for many 3rd party capture cards – Hauppauge, Ceton, SiliconDust, Monsoon Hava, etc. android mini client Extenders Nexus Player Ability to do Vudu, Hulu, Netflix, Podcasts etc A better music UI (Plex, Emby) support my ripped dvd/blu-ray collection (Plex, Emby) The next is still true to this day, and all along this is the forum that I would come to more often than not for guidance with my Home Theater stuff: A thriving on line community –This is something I have come to look for/ value with most technical things I get these days. without it I will not have access to like minded people, people that can help me maximize it’s use, people that learned some tricks, etc. in the works Ability to schedule recordings from a web page (exists but an improved version is being discussed) I guess what I really want is SageTV … Could you just slap a google logo on it and let me have it back? *sigh* This I was certainly correct about - Thanks "sagetv authors" for sticking at it!
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