TabloTV vs SageTV

[cncb]

TabloTV currently does not support DD surround sound which is a deal breaker for me.

[PiX64]

Originally Posted by cncb

TabloTV currently does not support DD surround sound which is a deal breaker for me.

sorry to hear that

https://twitter.com/TabloTV/status/423474504208101377

[cncb]

Originally Posted by PiX64

sorry to hear that

https://twitter.com/TabloTV/status/423474504208101377

Yes, I emailed them a while ago and they told me it is on the "roadmap" but we all know that is far from a guarantee (just ask Ceton Echo owners).

[PiX64]

New firmware update made some CRAZY speed improvements on all interfaces. So much so in fact that I may have to make a short video just to show improvements over the last set of videos.

[7up]

TabloTV appears to be a great solution for streaming to phones and tablets which to me makes it quite different than SageTV with extenders which seems to be more geared toward a home DVR solution. Do we watch TV on phones in my house? No. Tablets? Maybe. I guess with a Roku you can stream to your TV but the EPG is limited and is there any question which is faster streaming a show, SageTV vs. TabloTV? I really want to like this product but add up the cost of the receiver, hard drive, subscription (antenna if you don't have one) and wouldn't you be better off with the other options?

[tchapin]

What do you mean by "faster to stream a show"? As in how much time it would take you to navigate to a show and start it playing? Or the lag at that point until the show starts playing?

I don't have a Tablo TV unit but it feels to me like it and SimpleTV would be reasonable replacements to Sage + extenders. The Roku is basically an extender. Or, perhaps an iOS device + AppleTV.

Also, for many solutions, you have to pay for guide data, so I'm not sure that's a huge reason to knock off a solution. We got really lucky that SageTV included it for free. It'd be nice to find a new solution that also has that.

And what other options do you feel there are at this stage? Here's what I see (that are currently purchasable / obtainable and supported); each has their issues and I don't see a clear winner.:

- Tablo - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- Simple - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- Aereo - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- ChannelMaster - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna

- TiVo - pricey, proprietary
- EyeTV - OSX only; Elgato doesn't really seem enthused about it; uncertain lifespan
- NextPVR - no extenders
- MythTV - horribly complex; lack of extenders (besides build your own)
- WMC - not in Windows8; lack of extenders (besides XBOX)

Any that I'm missing?

[PiX64]

Originally Posted by 7up

TabloTV appears to be a great solution for streaming to phones and tablets which to me makes it quite different than SageTV with extenders which seems to be more geared toward a home DVR solution. Do we watch TV on phones in my house? No. Tablets? Maybe.

Nor do I, but I do watch live tv from the webbrowser on my mac everyday while working. I watch the news. All Tvs have a roku already for over the top content, so the addition of the tabloTV did not require me to purchase any additional STBs.

Originally Posted by 7up

I guess with a Roku you can stream to your TV but the EPG is limited and is there any question which is faster streaming a show, SageTV vs. TabloTV?

I would suggest watching the roku videos i posted for a better look. True the EPG is not as robust as some other solutions as far as the TV side goes via roku, but honestly i don't know why that "negative" comes up so much. We are all constantly using phones and tablets in any case, and does anyone really watch live tv anymore and channel surf? We certainly don't but i suppose there is a use case where the EPG full rich and showing 14 days worth of data is still a MUST. The EPG implementation on Tablo for Roku is very good. you can see what is currently on and about 8 channels at a time. No you cannot go into the future, but if I want to schedule a recording or see whats coming up there are many other means to accomplish this. Tablo has plans of createing a more true EPG on Roku. Nothing in the works I have seen but according to them it is on their roadmap. True that takes trusting in the company, but up to this point they have been nothing but trustworthy. so if they say its on their roadmap i lean towards believing them vs "yeah right" like i was with almost everything Simple.tv told me.

Originally Posted by 7up

I really want to like this product but add up the cost of the receiver, hard drive, subscription (antenna if you don't have one) and wouldn't you be better off with the other options?

The above statement is a VERY hard sell for me... its expensive. When i was with sage 100% i spent a few thousand dolloars on getting things setup how i wanted.
Server - laying around so used it but over the years upgraded and added 4 HDD, 125 each at the time, quad core and new mobo with ram - 350, new case - etc. Id say i spent roughly 700 on a pc to run sage
Tuners - many over the years 2 first gen HDHR, then a haupaugge HDPVR at one point, then 2 internal cards from haupauuge, then upgrade tuners to the HDHR3 (all in all probably 600 - 700 worth of tuners)
Software - 79.99 when i started my server up and 1 client license - 19.99
HDx00s
3 HD200 - 199.99 when they came out - 600
3 HD300 - 149.99 when they came out - 450

So my point is for Tablo:
1 x homemade attic antenna - $25 worth of supplies and about 1 hr of time
1 x Dual Tuner Tablo - 219.99 or 289.99 for a quad tuner
1 x 2 TB HDD - 109.99 (i bought a new one eventhough i had one on the Simple.tv)
Rokus at every TV - Already there for Over the top content - $0
Subscription - I am most likely going to do a yearly subscription which is 49.99. 149.99 for a lifetime while attractive will still take me 3+years to recoup my cost.

so to get started with tablo (I am assuming that people have some sort of device for over the top.. Roku, AppleTV - maybe not fair but thats what i am assuming):
25
219
109
49 <-after intro guide if you chose to do it vs monthly 4.99
---
402

That pretty cheap in my book. especially considering when i made the jump away from sage i sold my extenders and more than made up the cost.

Noteably this, as every solution isn't for everyone. That being said, its a solid product in my opinion, has great ongoing dev, and provides my household with all we need and more.

[7up]

PiX64,
based upon the detail of your reply, I must have hit a nerve so I'm sorry if anything I said was misinterpreted as directed toward you.

To make a fair cost comparison you need to include each item, not disregard items which you personally already own, ie Roku in front of each TV. If you want to use that kind of math, I already own a Win 7 PC w/ PCI tuner cards and my only other expense for streaming WMC via XBMC to TV would be Rasbpi. To make an honest comparision of costs you need to include each item.


1. TabloTV (2 tuner) + Lifetime Subscription + Antenna + Hard drive = 220+150+25+90 = 485

Functional OTA streaming solution with no TVs. STB/Roku for each TV would be additional monies.


2. Aereo (2 tuner package) = 145 annually.

Functional OTA streaming solution with no TV's STB/Roku for each TV additaionl monies.



I'll add more later, gotta run. So there's no misunderstand, I think Tablo TV is a totally cool product, I just don't see it being a no brainer.

[SHS]

Man I forgot about Aereo but an't they still in legal dispute?.

[PiX64]

Originally Posted by 7up

PiX64,
based upon the detail of your reply, I must have hit a nerve so I'm sorry if anything I said was misinterpreted as directed toward you.

To make a fair cost comparison you need to include each item, not disregard items which you personally already own, ie Roku in front of each TV. If you want to use that kind of math, I already own a Win 7 PC w/ PCI tuner cards and my only other expense for streaming WMC via XBMC to TV would be Rasbpi. To make an honest comparision of costs you need to include each item.


1. TabloTV (2 tuner) + Lifetime Subscription + Antenna + Hard drive = 220+150+25+90 = 485

Functional OTA streaming solution with no TVs. STB/Roku for each TV would be additional monies.


2. Aereo (2 tuner package) = 145 annually.

Functional OTA streaming solution with no TV's STB/Roku for each TV additaionl monies.


I'll add more later, gotta run. So there's no misunderstand, I think Tablo TV is a totally cool product, I just don't see it being a no brainer.

Haha no way! Take s a lot more then that to strike a nerve with me :-)

[SHS]

Originally Posted by tchapin

- Tablo - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- Simple - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- Aereo - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- ChannelMaster - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna

- TiVo - pricey, proprietary
- EyeTV - OSX only; Elgato doesn't really seem enthused about it; uncertain lifespan
- NextPVR - no extenders
- MythTV - horribly complex; lack of extenders (besides build your own)
- WMC - not in Windows8; lack of extenders (besides XBOX)

Any that I'm missing?

Yup you forgot a few
Beyond TV 4 (I believe you can still buy it just not supported any more)
Hauppauge WinTV 7
JRiver Media Center
MediaPortal
Video Disk Recorder
XBMC
There are other but for DVB Europe Stuff

Originally Posted by tchapin

- NextPVR - no extenders

That not true Clients & Extenders

We know none of even come close to SageTV Power and Feature

[7up]

Originally Posted by tchapin

And what other options do you feel there are at this stage? Here's what I see (that are currently purchasable / obtainable and supported); each has their issues and I don't see a clear winner.:

- Tablo - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- Simple - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- Aereo - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna
- ChannelMaster - broadcast only; need to buy a HD, antenna

- TiVo - pricey, proprietary
- EyeTV - OSX only; Elgato doesn't really seem enthused about it; uncertain lifespan
- NextPVR - no extenders
- MythTV - horribly complex; lack of extenders (besides build your own)
- WMC - not in Windows8; lack of extenders (besides XBOX)

Any that I'm missing?

Aereo should say NO need to buy HD. The future of Aereo and possibly OTA HD as we know it depends upon upcoming Supreme court ruling

WMC streaming has been available for a while now using XBMC on client with support for Windows, OS X, Linux and Android.

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title...kend/ServerWMC

The Complete Guide: XBMC/Windows Media Center/ServerWMC/And More


Also, if one just wants streaming to phones and tablets, slingbox is still a good option if already have a DVR.

And I agree with you, I don't see a clear winner... other than SageTV

[Tiki]

Originally Posted by 7up

Aereo should say NO need to buy HD. The future of Aereo and possibly OTA HD as we know it depends upon upcoming Supreme court ruling

It should also say no need for your own antenna with Areo (that's kind of the point).

[PiX64]

Originally Posted by Tiki

It should also say no need for your own antenna with Areo (that's kind of the point).

Aereo is not appealing to me. If network or internet goes down, there goes access.

I have also heard that picture quality on rec and live TV is not good at all. That feedback is from a long time sage user too.

A solution has to be available offli e... Simple.TV for example is not even though the tuner and HDD are at your house. Tablo is

[tchapin]

Originally Posted by SHS

Yup you forgot a few
Beyond TV 4 (I believe you can still buy it just not supported any more)
Hauppauge WinTV 7
JRiver Media Center
MediaPortal
Video Disk Recorder
XBMC
There are other but for DVB Europe Stuff


That not true Clients & Extenders

We know none of even come close to SageTV Power and Feature

Thanks! For NextPVR, the officially supported NMTs aren't able to be purchased any more. And yeah, you can buy BeyondTV, but why would you buy a dead product, especially coming from Sage?

[emveepee]

Originally Posted by tchapin

Thanks! For NextPVR, the officially supported NMTs aren't able to be purchased any more. .

Right, but if your definition of extender is getting the full NextPVR UI including skins and plugins on remote clients this is available on Samsung players and TVs, LG TV, and via good XBMC (not to be confused with the XBMC PVR Addon) devices ie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br71eg0V4fw

Martin

[KryptoNyte]

Martin, what service do you have, and what tuner is that pulling in 1920x1080 @ 60 frames per second?

[emveepee]

ATSC, HDPVR and analog. The particular OSD value you likely refer to shows the screen resolution not broadcast resolution. I did through in a BluRay ISO too.

Martin

[TechBill]

How could you compare this with SageTV when it only a OTA DVR?

All my tuners are satellite STB and there are many channels on it that I want to be able to record without having to use a DVR that require me to pay monthly and won't let me fast forward or speed skip commercials. Also to be able Channel surf life TV on extenders with only one DVR This is where I think SageTV shines at and no other DVR are ever going to come close. Google knew that when it offer to buy SageTV.

This is no comparison unless it offer us a way to record from a STB of our choosing via HDMI or Component then I am all eyes!

Bill

[PiX64]

Originally Posted by TechBill

How could you compare this with SageTV when it only a OTA DVR?

All my tuners are satellite STB and there are many channels on it that I want to be able to record without having to use a DVR that require me to pay monthly and won't let me fast forward or speed skip commercials. Also to be able Channel surf life TV on extenders with only one DVR This is where I think SageTV shines at and no other DVR are ever going to come close. Google knew that when it offer to buy SageTV.

This is no comparison unless it offer us a way to record from a STB of our choosing via HDMI or Component then I am all eyes!

Bill

I don't think this was ever intended to be a hey look at this its better than SageTV. SageTV has been and continues to be one of the best PVR softwares out there. There is no disputing that. This was, at least my intention, to show that this is a viable alternative that has been implemented very well, and offers an outlet to SageTV. So far, in my opinion, there hasn't been a single viable alternative.

and SURE, it will only work and apply to those with OTA... possibly QAM in the future.