OpenDCT: An open source digital cable tuner.

[Deacon Crusher]

Interesting.

I listed all channels OTA and Premium in the same tuner instance via opendct.

They show up and I can tune them, but guide data is missing from the OTA tuners?

And are you really sure you can do 4 OTA shows and 4 premium shows from your Quatro at once? That'd be quite a nice setup. I was thinking I was going to need to add a Quatro to my two duals to get 8 tuners, which should be plenty.

Also, my recording schedule shows no planned recordings, even though my favorites are still there and show upcoming recordings?

Thanks

[Deacon Crusher]

okay, just did the same test.

I don't have a Quatro, I have 2 duals.

Check your recordings.

It's letting me do what you are describing, but a premium show and an OTA show are sharing tuners, so one is actually the correct show and the other isn't it's whatever the show (likely you tuned second) is that it's in control of the tuner.

[Deacon Crusher]

It's very strange.

I have shows that have been favorites forever and they aren't showing up as future recordings on the HD HR premium tuners.

If I go to that show in the guide it's not marked as a favorite. I can select it and make it a favorite and then it shows up in the Recording Schedule views.

It's very odd.

End up with 2 favorites for exactly the same show?

[wnjj]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

It's very strange.

I have shows that have been favorites forever and they aren't showing up as future recordings on the HD HR premium tuners.

If I go to that show in the guide it's not marked as a favorite. I can select it and make it a favorite and then it shows up in the Recording Schedule views.

It's very odd.

End up with 2 favorites for exactly the same show?

Are the original favorites unrestricted or limited to a specific network or ??

[Deacon Crusher]

Went into one of these favorites.

future airings are there.

Went to channels

Set to Any, and shows what channel has them. Select that channel and that solves the problem.

What's going on?

Thanks

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

okay, just did the same test.

I don't have a Quatro, I have 2 duals.

Check your recordings.

It's letting me do what you are describing, but a premium show and an OTA show are sharing tuners, so one is actually the correct show and the other isn't it's whatever the show (likely you tuned second) is that it's in control of the tuner.

That could be a problem thanks for testing. Currently I am just using on test machine so will setup recordings to go off same time see what happens. OK I have 8 recordings firing off at 3:00 PT

[Deacon Crusher]

So, I went back to that favorite that I'd moved to a specific channel, set it back to Any and hit Channel refresh and everything fixed.

Don't know what fixed it, but I'm up and running and looking good. Will report back after some recordings get comskipped and we use it for a few days.

Go Sage (and its community) and Silicondust.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

okay, just did the same test.

I don't have a Quatro, I have 2 duals.

Check your recordings.

It's letting me do what you are describing, but a premium show and an OTA show are sharing tuners, so one is actually the correct show and the other isn't it's whatever the show (likely you tuned second) is that it's in control of the tuner.

Yeah tested and it does not work ... recordings are messed up .. need to be able to add OTA lineup to tuners using opendct and also the Premium lineup but it does not work. In EMBY you can add up to 4 lineups to 1 tuner so that way I can use the Qutatro for OTA and Premiums... and not have recordings step all over themselves. I will just use the Quatro for Premiums .. and use other tuners for OTA

[nyplayer]

SageTV+OpenDCT is working great with PremiumTV ... I setup a pool in Opendct "PremiumTV" on my Quatro Tuners so I can still use other devices.

[KryptoNyte]

Just to confirm, with OpenDCT in the mix, can we just use older HDhomerun products (like the first dual tuner they released), or does it still have to be the CONNECT or EXTEND model?

[Deacon Crusher]

HD HR Premium channel based Shows recording through opendct in Sage are not playing back on my sage extenders.

Black screen no sound. Not crashing extender, can just hit stop and get back to the menu. They are being "played" as time is ticked off on playback bar.

They are getting comskip marks that look good and they do play fine on my windows 10 server, but I only watch through extenders, so gotta figure this out.

Thoughts/tips? Anyone having same or better experience?

Thanks

[Telecore]

Could this be the same problem that the HDHR Extend has when trying to play back h.264 transcoded video with the "heavy" setting?

https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64584

[NetworkGuy]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

Working on this.
said yes to using existing schedules direct account.
Chose add a new lineup
Found a lineup call HDHomerun Premium TV West National (that was exciting)
Chose extended

What about the over-the-air channel lineup?

[Deacon Crusher]

Originally Posted by KryptoNyte

Just to confirm, with OpenDCT in the mix, can we just use older HDhomerun products (like the first dual tuner they released), or does it still have to be the CONNECT or EXTEND model?

Not sure about EXTEND.

OpenDCT will let you use any functional HD Homerun to tune OTA/ATSC channels and pull into Sage However, that's not really needed as most of those tuners work directly with Sage, no opendct needed.

OpenDCT lets the tuners that SiliconDust supports HD Homerun Premium on to tune the premium channels in Sage. (and products like the Prime to pull in channels from a cablecard enabled tuner.)

The Channel guide that shows up for HD Homerun Premium West, lists a combo of OTA and Premium channels, but once setup in Sage, the Premium channels get guide data, but the OTA channels don't. It requires you to dedicate a tuner as either an OTA (no Premium channels and no OpenDCT) or a OpenDCT/Premium tuner (no OTA channels.)

Currently. Hoping there's a fix for this that shows up at some point.

Thanks

[Deacon Crusher]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

HD HR Premium channel based Shows recording through opendct in Sage are not playing back on my sage extenders.

Black screen no sound. Not crashing extender, can just hit stop and get back to the menu. They are being "played" as time is ticked off on playback bar.

They are getting comskip marks that look good and they do play fine on my windows 10 server, but I only watch through extenders, so gotta figure this out.

Thoughts/tips? Anyone having same or better experience?

Thanks

More details on this issue (mix of files, some playback on extender and some don't.)

Programs recorded from HD Homerun OTA channels (no opendct in the mix) which playback fine on Sage Extenders show this kind of show format data:
MPEG2-PS[MPEG2-Video 16:9 1080i@29.97fps,
Dolby Digital/384Kbps@48kHz 5.1 eng, Dolby
Digital/96Kbps@48kHz Stereo spa]

Programs recorded from HD Homerun premium channels (opendct IS in the mix) which PLAYBACK FINE on Sage Extenders show this kind of show format data:
MPEG2-TS[H.264 16:9 720p@29.97fps,
AAC@48kHz Stero eng]

Programs recorded from HD Homerun premium channels (opendct IS in the mix) which DO NOT playback on Sage Extenders show this kind of show format data:
MPEG2-PS[MPEG2-Video 16:9 1080i@29.97fps,
MPEG2-Video 16:9 480i@29.97fps,
Dolby Digital/384Kbps@48kHz 5.1 eng, Dolby
Digital/192Kbps@48kHz Stereo spa, Dolby Digital/192Kbps@48kHz Stero end]

So, big differences between files that playback and those that don't.

Oddly, it seems like maybe sometime last night all shows switched from being the format that doesn't playback to the format that does playback???

Some tweak in the pipeline at Silicondust?

[KryptoNyte]

Did that thread that Telecore linked to have any helpful info?

[nyplayer]

This is what Silicondust is working on ...

Stage 1 is an improvement of the current encoding...

Video = h264 720p 30fps.
Eliminate the quality loss during movement.
Fix channel specific issues that have been identified.

Stage 2 is to get things where we want them to be...

Video = High Quality HEVC 720p 60fps.
Audio = 5.1 channel (for channels broadcast in surround sound).
Second audio track available (for channels broadcast with a second audio track).

Both stages are underway.

[jvl711]

Originally Posted by nyplayer

This is what Silicondust is working on ...

Stage 1 is an improvement of the current encoding...

Video = h264 720p 30fps.
Eliminate the quality loss during movement.
Fix channel specific issues that have been identified.

Stage 2 is to get things where we want them to be...

Video = High Quality HEVC 720p 60fps.
Audio = 5.1 channel (for channels broadcast in surround sound).
Second audio track available (for channels broadcast with a second audio track).

Both stages are underway.

So does that mean Stage 2 would not work on Sage Extenders since they do not support HEVC (h.265). Does sage think those are mpeg 2 for some reason when it is trying to determine the format?

[Deacon Crusher]

Originally Posted by KryptoNyte

Did that thread that Telecore linked to have any helpful info?

Not for my problem. I think there was just some odd, new tuner/silicondust issue, where programs weren't showing up in the actual format they were coming through on.

So, for me only current issue is that I have to use 2 different lineups, one for OTA and one for Premium which means dedicating 2 tuners to OTA and 2 to Premium, which is inefficient as I could easily have 3 OTA shows and 1 premium show at the same time (or vice versa) and with current config would have to miss one. Going to add more tuners, but feels like if could just use one lineup I might be okay.

Following up on the HVEC statement and associated question. This feels like a biggy. If Silicondust moves to HVEC does that mean our Sage Extenders will no longer work, even if Sage itself does work? And will we have to find some playback device that is good for OTA channels and HVEC channels? And isn't it true that the android devices don't do OTA channel/show playback very well right now? I don't really want to give up on Extenders, they are great.

Thanks

[jeffoffline]

Originally Posted by Deacon Crusher

And isn't it true that the android devices don't do OTA channel/show playback very well right now? I don't really want to give up on Extenders, they are great.

Thanks

I think the android app works quite well actually, the only drawback is it doesn't support 5.1 audio for MPEG-2 playback.