Old HDHR setup procedure changed?

[Brent94Z]

Hey Guys!

When I originally setup my old two tuner HDHR (the one where you had to make two cable connections on the back) I remember it taking FOREVER because I had to look at each channel and compare it to the Zap2it guide info and try to figure out what channel it really was... for example, the "tune" listed in the HDHR setup might be CH18-2 but the Guide Number might be 1009. Each one of those had to be filled in manually then I did "something" in SageTV after saving this info but I don't recall exactly what.

Well, I've been missing a ton of recordings lately because the HDHR isn't able to tune to the correct channel. I'm thinking Bright House changed some frequencies and I'd like to "re-setup" so to speak and do another scan and make sure all my channel info is up to date.

I did a search here on the boards and it seems like things may have changed since I originally setup my old HDHR and now one no longer needs to do this painful manual Guide Number add to the HDHR Setup application. Is this true? For somebody who has setup an older HDHR recently would you mind giving me a brief rundown of how it is done again and the best current way to do this? Also, should I delete the tuners from SageTV then re-add them and do I need to delete them from the .ini file too?

Guess I'm just looking to redo my old HDHR setup and wondering the best way to do it? Thank you!

[reggie14]

It's been awhile since I've done this, but I don't think it has really changed. Generally speaking it will do a pretty good job of identifying channel call signs, but they don't necessarily line up exactly with what is listed in the zap2it database. Similarly, the channel numbers won't match.

I'm not sure what's necessary, but the last time I did it I still manually corrected the call signs and channel numbers in the HDHR utility to match what is on zap2it.

[Brent94Z]

Originally Posted by reggie14

It's been awhile since I've done this, but I don't think it has really changed. Generally speaking it will do a pretty good job of identifying channel call signs, but they don't necessarily line up exactly with what is listed in the zap2it database. Similarly, the channel numbers won't match.

I'm not sure what's necessary, but the last time I did it I still manually corrected the call signs and channel numbers in the HDHR utility to match what is on zap2it.

Hmm... something seems to have changed because the channel numbers and station names aren't editable in the HDHR setup utility anymore. Weird. I click in them and can't change anything that is there... just highlight it.

Does anybody know if I delete the tuners out of Sage, shutdown the service, do the HDHR setup utility scan again and save it, then restart Sage and add the tuners, will that work? Then do I need to not add any guide data and do a Scan from within Sage? The setup directions seem to be completely removed from the SiliconDust website and the forum only gives 5 hits and it's for the newer stuff. Ugh!

[Brent94Z]

Also, there are instructions in the sticky above but they link to a broken link 404 page at SiliconDust.

If anybody could give me a quick rundown on how this is done with the new firmware it would be most appreciated! Last time I did this was evidently with older firmware and nothing is the same. UGH LOL

[stanger89]

Last time I did it, with "recent" SD drivers, IIRC I had to scan in the SD software, then scan in Sage, and then remap the channels in Sage.

I believe SD removed the ability to do the remapping in the SD software a while ago.

Previously you had to make sure the station callsign was in the SD software matched Sage's Zap2It callsign, and I think sage would use whatever channel number the SD software said.

[Brent94Z]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Last time I did it, with "recent" SD drivers, IIRC I had to scan in the SD software, then scan in Sage, and then remap the channels in Sage.

I believe SD removed the ability to do the remapping in the SD software a while ago.

Previously you had to make sure the station callsign was in the SD software matched Sage's Zap2It callsign, and I think sage would use whatever channel number the SD software said.

Yes, I did this a while ago. LOL

So it sounds like I still need to know what channel is what then. Ugh. But, I'll give those steps a shot. Thanks, stanger89!

[stanger89]

Unless you've got a cool provider like mine who puts the right logical channel data in the stream, or at least provides a manual-tune lineup, you're kind of SOL and have to do it the hard way.

[Brent94Z]

Well, what is weird is I setup a HDHR Prime with OpenDTC and it all just works... no mapping or inputting anything. I'll give it a shot here in a few... something changed and I'm missing nearly every recording that is done on the old HDHRs because it can't tune anything anymore but the HDHR "view" program still displays the shows so something has evidently changed

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Brent94Z

Well, what is weird is I setup a HDHR Prime with OpenDTC and it all just works... no mapping or inputting anything. I'll give it a shot here in a few... something changed and I'm missing nearly every recording that is done on the old HDHRs because it can't tune anything anymore but the HDHR "view" program still displays the shows so something has evidently changed

That's because with a CableCARD, the mappings are provided by the CableCARD. If you're running the latest stable or beta, you should be able to add your HDHomeRun ClearQAM tuners as provided by OpenDCT and it will use the Prime as a reference for the ClearQAM tuners. This is how I do ClearQAM now. It's so much easier than using their software in its current state.

[Brent94Z]

Originally Posted by EnterNoEscape

That's because with a CableCARD, the mappings are provided by the CableCARD. If you're running the latest stable or beta, you should be able to add your HDHomeRun ClearQAM tuners as provided by OpenDCT and it will use the Prime as a reference for the ClearQAM tuners. This is how I do ClearQAM now. It's so much easier than using their software in its current state.

That's a good idea but I still have the problem of having to figure out what channels are what with the ClearQAM HDHR. UGH! Well, I just spent about 2 hours and got it mostly figured out. Only about half of them gave me a starting point with a station call sign so then I just needed to figure out which of the 4 or so it was and if it was the high def channel or not. All the others came over as just numbers like 80-54-1028 or something along those lines. Only a couple channels I couldn't get but pretty sure I got all the regular networks.

I ended up shutting down SageTV and the service. Ran the HDHR setup program and did a channel scan. Even though I have two of the older HDHRs it seems a channel scan on any of the 4 tuners carriers over to the others? It's all the same so I guess it does. I then hit the Apply button and it saved changes. Restarted SageTV. Went into Setup video sources and deleted all channels and then did a rescan. Then remapped each of the channels to the correct TV station ID and channel number. Seems to have worked because I can now use the channel guide and tune to a network channel and it WORKS with the HDHRs! No more "no signal" garbage and blinky blinky lights on the HDHRs.

Thanks for the assistance guys!

EnterNoEscape... still very much enjoying OpenDCT. It works so well that I haven't updated to the latest version since the first time I tried it, it just worked and I don't want to mess it up. LOL!!!

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by Brent94Z

That's a good idea but I still have the problem of having to figure out what channels are what with the ClearQAM HDHR.

I think you might have misunderstood what I'm saying. It requires no mapping. When using ClearQAM in OpenDCT, SageTV can send it a normal channel number and OpenDCT will check the CableCARD tuner to see what the frequency and program are for that channel, then it tunes that into the ClearQAM tuner.

[Brent94Z]

Originally Posted by EnterNoEscape

I think you might have misunderstood what I'm saying. It requires no mapping. When using ClearQAM in OpenDCT, SageTV can send it a normal channel number and OpenDCT will check the CableCARD tuner to see what the frequency and program are for that channel, then it tunes that into the ClearQAM tuner.

I did misunderstand then! Well, son-of-gun... will have to remember that if I ever need to do this again, that's for sure!!! hahahaha